The 3-Strikes Policy - Is it really a good thing?

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Originally Posted by technole

Just don't do it. Don't be a curse word apologist. It is not normal behavior to curse freely. That's all it is.

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You'd be amazed at how normal it is.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok_Thordin

You'd be amazed at how normal it is.

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You'd be amazed how many are complaining about getting banned for such. But alas if getting a scratch on their permanent record is a wake up call, good.

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Originally Posted by technole

It is not normal behavior to curse freely.

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That's a bunch of honking bullpucky and you know it.

Honestly, I don’t know how people can defend the current system. There should be some leniency for good behavior, tell me why a mark should be taken off for 3 to 5 years of good behavior?

I know someone who got a second strike for cursing at a boss, not another player, over 8 years from the previous offense. What’s the point of even having a language filter? He hasn’t missed a sub period so he’s been playing continuously since then, and the current system is incredibly unforgiving.

I was joking with him that by the year 2030 he’s going to have his account deleted. So he decided to remove all chat logs from his game so he can’t even see other people’s messages in say, shout, party ETC and he only communicates through discord.

The draconian system needs to change.

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Originally Posted by Ftail

What’s the point of even having a language filter?

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That is part of what is not making sense to me. The game is rated T partly because of Language. The game loves to use shite a lot. Because adding an E at the end totally makes it not a curse word. And, it has a filter people can use. And people can get strikes and banned for using such language even when it is not directed at anybody?

And why is this beaver dam editor always putting in extra line breaks?

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Originally Posted by Mykll

That is part of what is not making sense to me. The game is rated T partly because of Language. The game loves to use shite a lot. Because adding an E at the end totally makes it not a curse word. And, it has a filter people can use. And people can get strikes and banned for using such language even when it is not directed at anybody?

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The game rating is for the game, not online interaction.

The language filter is for when mistakes happen so people don't have to see other people using it, but does not change the rule.

As for the "inconsistency" of seeing game characters doing it, I think it's like seeing game characters wanting for people to die. It does not mean they will tolerate any player saying they want people to die (presumably).

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Originally Posted by linayar

The game rating is for the game, not online interaction.

The language filter is for when mistakes happen so people don't have to see other people using it, but does not change the rule.

As for the "inconsistency" of seeing game characters doing it, I think it's like seeing game characters wanting for people to die. It does not mean they will tolerate any player saying they want people to die (presumably).

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YEs and the online portion is not rated, so really according to the ratings, anything could go, but that is unrealistic. I expect a T rated online game to have rules that a teen could follow. Working with teens myself, swears here or there never got anything more than a quick "Don't do that". Only when it got into strings or targeted swears did any actual punishment happen.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

YEs and the online portion is not rated, so really according to the ratings, anything could go, but that is unrealistic. I expect a T rated online game to have rules that a teen could follow. Working with teens myself, swears here or there never got anything more than a quick "Don't do that". Only when it got into strings or targeted swears did any actual punishment happen.

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Well, again, that's why there's a filter. You don't get punished unless you get reported. You may not get reported if people use filter and it's enough for them that it's blocked. But if it's not enough or you use excessive profanity or whatever and get reported, the rule is still the rule. A teen can and should be expected to follow such rules inside the game regardless of how they can act outside the game.

I don't mind the punishments but the lack of ability to remove demerits with good behavior baffles me. If you go several years without committing another offense at least one strike should be removed from your account or downgraded to a 'warning' on your file. You shouldn't have to worry about having two strikes on your account from, say, 2.1 and know that one more strike in 5.4 several years later could terminate your entire account in spite of a spotless record in-between. Yes a significant amount of time should pass before any strikes are even considered for removal but I don't think 3-5 years per strike is asking too much.

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Originally Posted by Ftail

I was joking with him that by the year 2030 he’s going to have his account deleted. So he decided to remove all chat logs from his game so he can’t even see other people’s messages in say, shout, party ETC and he only communicates through discord.

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With this godawful system in place I wouldn't blame if there's people who do just that.

Every other page there is always someone that brings up the profanity filter like it's an excuse to curse, and doesn't realize it's just a client-only setting for you. So you don't accidentally run across profanity in the chat like if someone did it in a linkshell or shout Limsa. What you write is in the server logs is available for a GM to read verbatim.

Like I said, if you think it's normal behavior to type cursing out in this game, the burden is on you, and eventually you won't have an account anymore. Maybe you need to start replacing words in your dictionary, what you think is reasonable, doesn't mean it is.

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Originally Posted by technole

Every other page there is always someone that brings up the profanity filter like it's an excuse to curse, and doesn't realize it's just a client-only setting for you. So you don't accidentally run across profanity in the chat like if someone did it in a linkshell or shout Limsa. What you write is in the server logs is available for a GM to read verbatim.

Like I said, if you think it's normal behavior to type cursing out in this game, the burden is on you, and eventually you won't have an account anymore. Maybe you need to start replacing words in your dictionary, what you think is reasonable, doesn't mean it is.

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So let me get this straight, the game has a literal tool (that I believe is on by default) so that you don't have to read any swears. So you turn it off to get offended when someone uses a swear and then report them? This is some straight up backwards thinking.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

So let me get this straight, the game has a literal tool (that I believe is on by default) so that you don't have to read any swears. So you turn it off to get offended when someone uses a swear and then report them? This is some straight up backwards thinking.

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It's well known that the profanity filter is totally fail proof when altering just one letter of a curse word withh a simple '*' is enough to go past it.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

So let me get this straight, the game has a literal tool (that I believe is on by default) so that you don't have to read any swears. So you turn it off to get offended when someone uses a swear and then report them? This is some straight up backwards thinking.

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There's a stark difference between the use of profanity and slurs, arguably the people that proclaim to have gotten a warning or banned for the former, are often masking and only telling half the story when in reality they fall into the latter. Besides, it's not backward thinking to report someone for the use of profanity when it is in no unclear terms prohibited.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

There's a stark difference between the use of profanity and slurs, arguably the people that proclaim to have gotten a warning or banned for the former, are often masking and only telling half the story when in reality they fall into the latter. Besides, it's not backward thinking to report someone for the use of profanity when it is in no unclear terms prohibited.

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Not talking about people you know actually directing slurs at people. To me it is 100% backwards to turn off the exact tool designed so that you wouldn't have to see a bad word and thus not offend you, and then turn around and report someone for something that offends you, yet was 100% avoidable by not turning off said tool. It seems to defeat the entire purpose of said tool.

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Originally Posted by Vaern

It's well known that the profanity filter is totally fail proof when altering just one letter of a curse word withh a simple '*' is enough to go past it.

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Then people will just use adjacent words as a replacement. This just reminds my of my time working with young children. "Joey said a bad!" Then Joey gets timeout. I don't know about you, but I don't like being treated like a child.

You sun of a sunflower! You Hoboken! Pickle you kumquat!

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Originally Posted by Awha

You sun of a sunflower! You Hoboken! Pickle you kumquat!

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Not going to lie, at a church camp we got 17 words banned from use by using them in place of curse words or insults. Saying "Spam you" has the same intent as using the curse word

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Not going to lie, at a church camp we got 17 words banned from use by using them in place of curse words or insults. Saying "Spam you" has the same intent as using the curse word

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Yeah we did that in school.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Not going to lie, at a church camp we got 17 words banned from use by using them in place of curse words or insults. Saying "Spam you" has the same intent as using the curse word

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Like Babylon 5's "frag", Battlestar Galactica's "frakking".

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Originally Posted by Mykll

Like Babylon 5's "frag", Battlestar Galactica's "frakking".

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Always been partial to Star War's 'kriff/kriffing!' Or this game's 'Thal's Bloody Balls', which Koji apparently had a LOT of fun getting past censors.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

I don't like being treated like a child.

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Then don't act immature. Follow the rule instead of trying to bypass it.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Then don't act immature. Follow the rule instead of trying to bypass it.

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Part of not acting like a child is also not being so offended by a word you can ignore as to report it.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Part of not acting like a child is also not being so offended by a word you can ignore as to report it.

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Nah being an adult is letting others know you are offended.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Part of not acting like a child is also not being so offended by a word you can ignore as to report it.

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Being offended is not a matter of age/maturity.

And besides, you're the one who don't want to be treated like a child in this thread, not "them."

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Originally Posted by linayar

Being offended is not a matter of age/maturity.

And besides, you're the one who don't want to be treated like a child in this thread, not "them."

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BEing offended i sliterally letting other people know you can't handle your emotions so someone else should. This is the epitome of being immature to me.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

BEing offended i sliterally letting other people know you can't handle your emotions so someone else should. This is the epitome of being immature to me.

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Handling your emotions is not about not having those emotions.

And AGAIN, this is about YOU not wanting to be treated like a child. Don't put your own wants on others.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Handling your emotions is not about not having those emotions.

And AGAIN, this is about YOU not wanting to be treated like a child. Don't put your own wants on others.

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If your need to be offended to the point that you report someone for saying a naughty word, you maturity level is not above a grade schooler.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

If your need to be offended to the point that you report someone for saying a naughty word, you maturity level is not above a grade schooler.

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Again, this is not about other people.

This is what you said:

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

I don't like being treated like a child.

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Don't worry about other people's maturity level, and focus on you following the rules if you don't want to be treated like a child.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Again, this is not about other people.

This is what you said:



Don't worry about other people's maturity level, and focus on you following the rules if you don't want to be treated like a child.

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I do follow the rules, I've never been reported. That does not mean I approve of and think the rules are good and well thought out or don't think that people are too easily offended and that it would be good for such people to stop being offended so easily.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

I do follow the rules, I've never been reported.

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Good.

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That does not mean I approve of and think the rules are good and well thought out or don't think that people are too easily offended and that it would be good for such people to stop being offended so easily.

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Well, you can have your opinion about it. For me, I think expecting people to choose their words carefully is a fine rule to have.

I'm more concerned with people who get offended from misinterpreting the context of an idea being communicated rather than simply about not wanting certain words to be used regardless of context.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

I do follow the rules, I've never been reported. That does not mean I approve of and think the rules are good and well thought out or don't think that people are too easily offended and that it would be good for such people to stop being offended so easily.

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Looks like we got another one those "you're not allowed to be offended because I'm not!" types. That's the thinking that gets people who curse regularly banned in the first place.

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Originally Posted by technole

Looks like we got another one those "you're not allowed to be offended because I'm not!" types. That's the thinking that gets people who curse regularly banned in the first place.

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Truth is people do get offended over some wacky things. If we wish to do nothing that offends someone we are better off not logging in. Since how someone plays may offend someonene.

Wow. Surprised to see something constructive on reddit. 99.99% of the time I open the FF14 reddit it's skimpy armor fan art or stupid screenshots.

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Originally Posted by technole

Looks like we got another one those "you're not allowed to be offended because I'm not!" types. That's the thinking that gets people who curse regularly banned in the first place.

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I have quite literally offended somebody by being in Limsa Lominsa. Nothing else.

I guess nobody should be in Limsa, since that clearly offended somebody and we have to cater to that.

Really hope the 3 strikes things is looked into, it shouldn't be perma, it'll just scare people into non-interaction.

Not like they punish everyone equally as it is anyway. There’s a player on my server who uses non stop profanity and harasses people and has done since A Realm Reborn. He’s still around, still swearing at people, still bullying other players.

GMs obviously have their favourites.

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Originally Posted by MPK

How can you break the rules 3 times?! It's insane they even give you 2 warnings!

I haven't broken a single rule yet and don't plan to!

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To be fair, my OG FF14 ARR account is from the initial US release of the game. I was still in my teens behaving like an angsty teenager. I wasn't a toxic or bad person at all but I still said things in the moment that are out of character for me. It is unreasonable for a grown adult me that's had another 8 years of mature development to still face penalties for something that happened this long ago. In no world, in any setting, irl or in game, is harsh punishment like this reasonable.

This gets muddy the longer you play. Picture WoW for example. I started playing that game when I was 13! I had 2 brothers. I have 3 now and the youngest is almost as old as I was when I started playing that game. Do you see what I mean? I was a literal child when I started playing that game. I'm now an adult with my own child. These things have to be accounted for.

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Originally Posted by technole

Looks like we got another one those "you're not allowed to be offended because I'm not!" types. That's the thinking that gets people who curse regularly banned in the first place.

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While that is a thing, there are far more people who believe that if it offends them, it shouldnt be allowed - context be da... And there are quite a vocal minority that tries to control the conversation around complex topics by decrying anything that doesnt fit their scope of the world or ideals as being of terrible character in some way.

While being mindful of other people is basic politeness and courtesy, the simple fact is people should be considering context and probably give others the benefit of the doubt in most cases. Flying off the handle at one word or another because its not in your sensibilities is just as bad as being the person who curses every other word with little regard for their surroundings.

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Originally Posted by KenXSSS

Yeah, this seems pretty insane imo. I'm a newer player so idk too much about this policy, but I've read posts where people are afraid to talk in Duties because they have 2 strikes on their account. Afraid to TALK IN AN MMO, that seems pretty crazy to me. This game has been out for 8 years, and people live in fear of talking just so they don't lose their accounts thats p sad

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You literally have nothing to worry about talking though. You do not get banned for talking.

Before any strike is given a GM checks what was said.

They are worried about abusing people, swearing or otherwise breaking TOS. Tell it like it is.