$35, really SE?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't know who that is. :confused:

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The swiss darling herself
http://i.imgur.com/8KuxsCt.jpg

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Originally Posted by Nayout

More than bait, I would say that it is an excessively sarcastic comment that serves as a response to some comments D:

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Thank you, someone on here who can actually read the pretty obviously-dripping sarcasm, you’ve restored a bit of hope I’d lost in here.

For those who are saying the outfits are ugly - they are based on traditional Alpine costumes. We've gotten so many costumes from China, Korea, and Japan over the years that I find it honestly refreshing we're getting something a little bit different this time.

When I was a little kid I'd put on my mother's dirndl and feel all dressed up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirndl

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

The swiss darling herself
http://i.imgur.com/8KuxsCt.jpg

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Maybe if you switched to lalafell. :D

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Originally Posted by Catwho

For those who are saying the outfits are ugly - they are based on traditional Alpine costumes. We've gotten so many costumes from China, Korea, and Japan over the years that I find it honestly refreshing we're getting something a little bit different this time.

When I was a little kid I'd put on my mother's dirndl and feel all dressed up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirndl

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Yeah, still ugly. Friend of mine told me on discord he bought it for the hat, for his bard. I made fun of him, "Robin Hood". :p

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Originally Posted by Catwho

For those who are saying the outfits are ugly - they are based on traditional Alpine costumes. We've gotten so many costumes from China, Korea, and Japan over the years that I find it honestly refreshing we're getting something a little bit different this time.

When I was a little kid I'd put on my mother's dirndl and feel all dressed up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirndl

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I actually think it's very cute. Especially the top and shoes.

Oh look, so predictable, the trolls have come out to play (gasp! shocking!). Where's the sarcasm font?! Someone needs to invent this...

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Originally Posted by Catwho

For those who are saying the outfits are ugly - they are based on traditional Alpine costumes. We've gotten so many costumes from China, Korea, and Japan over the years that I find it honestly refreshing we're getting something a little bit different this time.

When I was a little kid I'd put on my mother's dirndl and feel all dressed up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirndl

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We have the outfit now, the /toast emote, the /lalihop emote, now we just need a few beer recipes and it'll be perfect

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Originally Posted by Nayout

I didn't know you could ride 4 people in the tank, I'll try it when I connect lul


Inflation is not something that concerns the players, because it is not something that we did not provoke. It's like when PSN services go up in price and instead of improving the service is worse, imagine having the most expensive sub of all MMORPGs to receive the same thing you have always received.


Granblue Fantasy Skins cost 25 dollars plus it includes a x10 ticket.
I've been playing that game for 5 years and have paid less than I have paid in FFXIV for the same 5 years.



It seems that this post was not at all wrong really
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...about-the-game

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I didn't know you need another 4 players mount when you already got a free Flying Car
Beside the vanity, i cant see any other reason why you need this mount

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Oh look, the stereotypical white haired cat boy. Don't see those every day.

Related to the OP, $35 for a four seater mount doesn't seem that bad considering its account wide. But that's just my opinion.

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Also funny coming from someone using that 1 Highlander face that everybody uses eh?

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Also funny coming from someone using that 1 Highlander face that everybody uses eh?

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It's actually highlander 4 face but nice try. Still less common than the hordes of white haired cat boys in thigh boots.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

It's actually highlander 4 face but nice try. Still less common than the hordes of white haired cat boys in thigh boots.

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I meant as in “one”, not face number 1. Leave us catboys alone, I was just retorting to the AST Miqo since she was trying to be snarky at me without quoting.

Are we now fighting over avatars?

Frankly, you've been snarky all over this thread. Just figured I I'd throw some back at you. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Are we now fighting over avatars?

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I dunno. I just wanted to take part. :)

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Frankly, you've been snarky all over this thread. Just figured I I'd throw some back at you. /shrug

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Hard not to be snarky when there’s so many bad faith forum users practically asking for it, you’ve proven you’re one of them since the only thing you’ve contributed to this discussion is “throwing some back” at me in a vacuum, good job buddy.

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Originally Posted by MoonPhaseAlpha

Oh look, so predictable, the trolls have come out to play (gasp! shocking!). Where's the sarcasm font?! Someone needs to invent this...

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Whether he is a troll or not does not mean that his comment is quite accurate in response to other comments. Many complaints from that comment but not from others, I suppose it will be the BIAS.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I didn't know you need another 4 players mount when you already got a free Flying Car
Beside the vanity, i cant see any other reason why you need this mount

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Under that, it could be argued that no more 1-player mounts are needed because we already have enough in the game.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

Whether he is a troll or not does not mean that his comment is quite accurate in response to other comments. Many complaints from that comment but not from others, I suppose it will be the BIAS.



Under that, it could be argued that no more 1-player mounts are needed because we already have enough in the game.

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I didn't bother getting the 2.0 beast tribe mounts until the moogle events because I never would have used them.


I pretty much only use the Dwarven trashcan mount from the special fate. Love that thing.


I'm of the opinion that more mounts is better, but I wouldn't feel bad if we stopped getting as many. I have 108 of the darn things now...

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Hard not to be snarky when there’s so many bad faith forum users practically asking for it, you’ve proven you’re one of them since the only thing you’ve contributed to this discussion is “throwing some back” at me in a vacuum, good job buddy.

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Oh no, I'm so upset with what you think of me! Jk I don't care. But you go ahead and think you're holier than thou and that you're gonna change the future of mogstation. Gg man you're really invested in fighting something that isn't going anywhere.

I hope lots of people buy it. That way I can just hop in a ride with someone who has the mount when Boja comes out.

I love how people say the price is reasonable yet you could buy a completely new GAME for the same pricing that was developed for years. We pay a sub too how is that not obviously outrageous? This is also a mount that looks like it could be easily obtained in-game somehow more than a cash shop item... I guess some people really do think they're "donating to old pal SE" lol.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I didn't know you need another 4 players mount when you already got a free Flying Car
Beside the vanity, i cant see any other reason why you need this mount

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I see your entire right side is glamoured and dyed. Why? You already had gear that would cover your body if you didn't want your character naked.
Why did you even waste time in the character creator editing your character? You already picked viera. No real reason to waste all that time clicking around.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I didn't bother getting the 2.0 beast tribe mounts until the moogle events because I never would have used them.


I pretty much only use the Dwarven trashcan mount from the special fate. Love that thing.


I'm of the opinion that more mounts is better, but I wouldn't feel bad if we stopped getting as many. I have 108 of the darn things now...

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I only use my PVP mounts but in the same way if they stopped putting so many mounts it would bother me not because I use those mounts, because someone might want to use them.

The more variety the better and in this case, we do not have "variety" in mounts of 2 or 4 people.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Oh no, I'm so upset with what you think of me! Jk I don't care. But you go ahead and think you're holier than thou and that you're gonna change the future of mogstation. Gg man you're really invested in fighting something that isn't going anywhere.

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Hoh boy talk about putting words in my mouth, someone’s a bit cranky! I thought the entire point of the forum was to, you know, give feedback and discussion and therefore help provide the devs with crucial player feedback to help shape some future aspects of the game for the better. I gave my feedback on how ludicrous and out of touch the pricing of this Mount is given the current circumstances many of us are in, what have you contributed? Not much, so on that I’m done addressing you as you’ve yet to even make one point relevant to the thread and just want to argue. Go outside and take a deep breath, it’ll be okay.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Honestly these cash shop items could be used so much better...just take the big mounts..use them inbetween patches to keep people subbed by giving them out if you sub a certain amount of time in that period (thus even if people dont play they have payed you the money). This will in turn also mean that those that do continue to pay you money (which keeps the game alive..) get something out of it..(taking away the veteran rewards and never truly giving us something back in return is just awful)

And instead of the other and only such reward that we got like that they could put it into the mog station afterwards for everyone to buy if they did not want or could sub at that time..there win win..those who play the game will get their reward and those who did not at the time still can pay the money.

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I would support that, I mean I think most people would of course but I mean extra in the sense that I generally think SE should avoid using content too inspired from within the game for their mog shop. Clearly Sleipnir being the worst offender but even our carriage is obviously the intro scene simplified so it doesn't kill people's frames. Said it a few times but just want to be clear so I'm not accused, I'm not frothing mad, but it is a bit like 'aww, that seems like it could have logically and interestingly be made available in the game!'. (Hence why I encourage them to look at their other games, where of course an event would be neat but if they made Chocolina outfit on the mogshop I'd make zero complaints lol).

I still think their veteran system could use a tune up, and I know others have said that in this thread too, a reward like that occasionally would be cool. So going back to what I meant when I said support, I mean that I'd support, just like I support seasonals, in the sense that they're for and from within the game but then later made available on the shop. Carriage made free first and then in the shop, oh okay. Carriage straight to the shop? Aww.. that felt like it should have been in the game.

For the veteran reward I kind of still want to see a whole mognet system added where you can bribe moogles with kupo nut conditioner, lowering or entirely discounting items (based on how much you trade), I feel the imagery and features would be really nice. Being able to experience the shop a bit more 'immersively' and hands on (testing things out in the set pieces), being able to touch the shop with an in game currency, moogles are cute lol, more content (postmaster quests, etc). Of course the rate of conditioner can be well calculated so it's neither useless nor makes the store useless.

I do not know people well enough to be confident to SE that people would no longer try to buy things and just 'wait it off' till they get enough from their sub, but I want to say it would only help the image of the shop and potentially either balance out or increase sales since people would visit more often. Like it might take a whole year worth of conditioner, year and a half maybe, to buy just one mount flat out, but what you could do is take that and apply it to discount an item regularly. So you might get like 30% off if you used all your conditioner for 3-6 months. $35 too expensive? Get your veteran moogle rewards and subsidize it. And if you're a whale then you ran out of conditioner the second you earned it and have bought everything on the store, most of it full price, anyways. Simultaneously no longer do they need to offer some items in one system and one in another (all the current veteran rewards are moved over to the mogshop), perhaps they can offer special veteran prices for very specific items- like they might sell the ribbon for 5$ but it'd only take 1 kupo nut conditioner to purchase out right (the ratio of value being non-standard because it's specially designed to be a reward).

If they want to keep the achievement point purchasing system they can put some consumables in there and that's that, like buying yourself some fancy dyes- in this way they never need to worry about player spending all their points on something silly and then being kind of out of luck when they add an expensive achievement point mount or whatever.

Wouldn't suggest it's easy or ' no worries 'since we're talking about potentially a lot of money if the system some how made people complacent and more 'patient', but I don't think it would, or at least hope it wouldn't, and would just better their image and increase purchases for those who warmed up and simplify and butter the process for those who would normally have never done so. Plus I think the in game market part of it flowing through the mognet concept, and adding content to the mognet (postmasters), would be cute. Smuggle myself a whale out while the big moogle boss isn't looking after ever so lightly caressing a staff moogle's whiskers and firmly rubbing the finest kupo conditioner into their supple ruffles.. :D.

Good thing the proper feedback to this is being given by a superior number of people voting with their wallets. You know, instead of coming to the forums to wallet shame and call people bootlickers and whales and claiming that's "feedback to the devs"

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

I dunno. I just wanted to take part. :)

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All good. ;) It just gives me flashbacks to when someone tried to discredit a comment of mine simply because I was wearing the frog-head costume at the time. My fantastic fashion-sense shouldn't be a factor in most conversations (but maybe it will win me some adoring fans?).

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Originally Posted by Roda

I see your entire right side is glamoured and dyed. Why? You already had gear that would cover your body if you didn't want your character naked.
Why did you even waste time in the character creator editing your character? You already picked viera. No real reason to waste all that time clicking around.

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What an awful response...
Did I use any cash shops dye or any of my character's gear use any glamour item from the cash shops?
Nah I don't thinks so

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

What an awful response...
Did I use any cash shops dye or any of my character's gear use any glamour item from the cash shops?
Nah I don't thinks so

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No but like, why tho? Cash shop or not what's the point? You already had gear on.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Good thing the proper feedback to this is being given by a superior number of people voting with their wallets. You know, instead of coming to the forums to wallet shame and call people bootlickers and whales and claiming that's "feedback to the devs"

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Another PSA by John, if you can’t afford to buy something, don’t even DARE speak or criticise on it. It’s not “proper feedback” if you comment on the OFFICIAL FORUMS. If you’re poor, can’t afford it currently or just don’t think the price is appropriate then you cannot comment. I made my points before about the current financial crisis making this Mount price look horrific, the comment of bootlicking etc. Was just an aside that’s clearly for quite well! The delusion on display here is staggering. Also stop going on about “wallet-shame”, you’re almost in the ranks of that hilariously bad article on Forbes talking about “Anti-Rich Prejudice”.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

Whether he is a troll or not does not mean that his comment is quite accurate in response to other comments. Many complaints from that comment but not from others, I suppose it will be the BIAS.



Under that, it could be argued that no more 1-player mounts are needed because we already have enough in the game.

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Basically, your vanity got you for good but you just don't want to pay for it.
You want it so much but cant afford it.
Throw a fit and expect SE to turn it as free item?
Yeah, this type of thread pops up every time there is a vanity item on mogstation but did it ever works?
No it didn't because there are more logical people understand this is vanity item

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Basically, your vanity got you for good but you just don't want to pay for it.
You want it so much but cant afford it.
Throw a fit and expect SE to turn it as free item?
Yeah, this type of thread pops up every time there is a vanity item on mogstation but did it ever works?
No it didn't because there are more logical people understand this is vanity item

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I have money to buy the entire Moggstation right now and in the same way that I do not pay for Plus on PlaystationNetwork even though I have games that I would like online, I do not pay for anything from these stores that could "be" in the game.

By the way, thanks for validating my argument, SE can perfectly erase all the mounts of the next patches and expansions to make them pay and here people will defend them with the excuse that "we have enough"
And finally, where do I look to want to change the system when I know that people are going to pay for this? This is a legitimate complaint like many others, if you don't like to read them you can go elsewhere but come to defend these things with bad excuses. I know perfectly well that this is not going to change but that is not why I am going to defend this, in the same way I know that many gachas have shitty rates and I know that they are not going to change for whales but not for that I am going to defend them as company.

Logic, ignorance, Salt and Hypocrisy all on one thread. JOY!!!

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Another PSA by John, if you can’t afford to buy something, don’t even DARE speak or criticise on it. It’s not “proper feedback” if you comment on the OFFICIAL FORUMS. If you’re poor, can’t afford it currently or just don’t think the price is appropriate then you cannot comment. I made my points before about the current financial crisis making this Mount price look horrific, the comment of bootlicking etc. Was just an aside that’s clearly for quite well! The delusion on display here is staggering. Also stop going on about “wallet-shame”, you’re almost in the ranks of that hilariously bad article on Forbes talking about “Anti-Rich Prejudice”.

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Sure, you can give criticism on the official forum.

But going around calling people bootlickers, whales (exact terms you used in your first post), idiots, and being rude/rudely sarcastic is 99.9% likely to have anything you could have possibly said ignored than ever taken seriously by anyone who could theoretically pass it to the devs, as it gives off the appearance of childish whining than constructive criticism.

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Originally Posted by MariaArvana

Sure, you can give criticism on the official forum.

But going around calling people bootlickers, whales (exact terms you used in your first post), idiots, and being rude is 99.9% likely to have anything you could have possibly said ignored than ever taken seriously by anyone who could theoretically pass it to the devs, as it gives off the appearance of childish whining than constructive criticism.

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The game industry leaders themselves call us “Whales”, yet these types bat for them and even embrace it. Also, I never called anyone in particular those things in the beginning, and even though I was making a sarcastic off hand comment it worked in making some very sensitive people on here foam and try to attack me instead of actually arguing against my points. I’m not here to convince said “bootlickers”, nothing persuades them, I’m here to voice my feedback, even if to some it’s not “real” as I didn’t buy the fake pixel mount in a subscription video game. Nothing pleases you guys, that’s why there’s little point wearing the kiddy gloves and just saying it how it is.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Anything that’s considered too much of a spicy take against SE or makes people’s brains think too hard is considered bait on these forums, so sure why not buddy.

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I'm not your buddy, guy.

You are well aware of how far people will go to get what they want the way they want it on these forums so you can drop the passive aggressive pot shot.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Also, I never called anyone in particular those things in the beginning, and even though I was making a sarcastic off hand comment it worked in making some very sensitive people on here foam and try to attack me instead of actually arguing against my points. I’m not here to convince said “bootlickers”, nothing persuades them, I’m here to voice my feedback, even if to some it’s not “real” as I didn’t buy the fake pixel mount in a subscription video game. Nothing pleases you guys, that’s why there’s little point wearing the kiddy gloves and just saying it how it is.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Now I can’t wait to see the whales who have more money than sense and the bootlickers brigade hiss and spit at us poor plebeians for daring to criticise and mock how ridiculously bad taste the price and timing of this Mount being added to the store is.

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Sure, okay. You sent insults in your first post, however you may see it, which is not constructive.

So long as you understand your attitude has disqualified your voice from ever being anything than you shouting into the void uselessly expending energy, scream as loud as you like while the people who can voice pleasant, constructive feedback can speak for you.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

All good. ;) It just gives me flashbacks to when someone tried to discredit a comment of mine simply because I was wearing the frog-head costume at the time. My fantastic fashion-sense shouldn't be a factor in most conversations (but maybe it will win me some adoring fans?).

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Oh God yes! People here constantly try to belittle you, or discredit your arguments just because of your avatar. Happens to me ALL the time. Especially whenever I fantasia into a catgirl. As if it has much, if any, of a bearing to the discussion at hand.

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Originally Posted by zztoluca

Who wore the Salt Mine best?

FFXIV Housing or FFXIV OnlineStore

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It depends on the day.

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

The game industry leaders themselves call us “Whales”, yet these types bat for them and even embrace it. Also, I never called anyone in particular those things in the beginning, and even though I was making a sarcastic off hand comment it worked in making some very sensitive people on here foam and try to attack me instead of actually arguing against my points. I’m not here to convince said “bootlickers”, nothing persuades them, I’m here to voice my feedback, even if to some it’s not “real” as I didn’t buy the fake pixel mount in a subscription video game. Nothing pleases you guys, that’s why there’s little point wearing the kiddy gloves and just saying it how it is.

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My reply was as followed:

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

He isn't inherently wrong though. You aren't just criticising SE but mocking everyone else who does not share your opinion. Say this carriage mount is the only mogstation purchase someone makes all year; their splurge if you will. 36/12 is $3, or the price of two chocolate bars a month. For a good chunk of people that price isn't something they'll bat an eyelash over. Why is it any business of yours how they spend their money? People "waste" money on all sorts of luxury things, be it going out to fancy restaurants, clothes (which have an insane mark up, by the way) and so forth.

All that aside, while it isn't "free" in the technical sense. Our subscription covers the four month updates we receive which is a rarity for MMOs. WoW updates once a year; BDO will wind up costing you more if you want to indulge in any of its activities despite being "free to play". Just because there's a global pandemic doesn't mean SE has any obligation to give us a mount. Would it be nice? Sure. But them opting not to do so doesn't suddenly make them the devil either.

But I'm just a boot-licker, right? Because I choose to spend my money on things I want. FYI, I haven't purchased this mount nor do I intend to. I just don't care if others do.

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Notice how it specifically targets your argument? You chose to completely ignore it and continue a pointless back and forth with JohnSpawnVFX and other users. You aren't looking to have a discussion or simply provide feedback. You're attacking every point of criticism you dislike and backpedaling whenever someone catches it.

Honestly the funniest thread in a while, never thought I'd see a thread with the same arguments repeated 15 times every 2 pages after the Male Viera one but OF never ceases to amuse lol