Can we get a dialog option to flirt with the Crystal Exarch? [mild spoiler]

A flirt option for Y'shtola could be interesting. I don't really see it for my character, but she *is* the first Scion I met (having started in Limsa). Might have to fight Runar now, though. lol

At least our Crystal Catboi is definitively single. Now we just have to make sure he lives and that we get a flirt option. Get on it, SE!

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Wait, you mean we weren't subtly flirting with him the entire time?

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Well, of course, but right now its like we're two ships passing in the night over here. :P

Wonder if Feo Ul could help. She does specify how he stared at us with "warmth" and such during the "In His Garden" cutscene. She's likely one of his oldest friends on the First, and she *loves* us, so you know she ships it.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

A flirt option for Y'shtola could be interesting. I don't really see it for my character, but she *is* the first Scion I met (having started in Limsa). Might have to fight Runar now, though. lol.

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You can stare at her butt and she scolds you for it. I didn't even mean to, I just wanted to see what she'd say when I targeted her.

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Originally Posted by Gula

You can stare at her butt and she scolds you for it. I didn't even mean to, I just wanted to see what she'd say when I targeted her.

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...when was this? I know there are some special interactions when you are in the first person view sequences but most of the time the NPCs seemed to give the same dialogue as if you talked to them normally. The only exception I remember was when you could "shoot" Exarch and the Shoebill in the Dwarven mini-game.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

You were saying that having romance is not something that should be in Final Fantasy, otherwise its "final fantasy sims". I was just pointing out the idea of a light layer of romance in a FF story is hardly a foreign concept (And that's not even touching on romance being an irreplaceable cornerstone in several of the other games' plots).

No need to react so defensively, though. You don't like romance, you don't like it. /shrug You do you.

Though, if you wanted to just come in and make a statement that would be completely unresponded to, I think a forum isn't the right medium for that. Back and forth responses is kind of the point here.

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but your asking to sexualize the hero to have him date or flirt with people when he's the hero of light and he's supposed to be saving the world.

no matter way you look at it that's whats being asked you can tell me I am wrong?

I seen your FF7 comment you bring up the ferris wheel argument hahaha with them talking I beat 7 I see no romance there this done in golden saucer if you perceived that's on you people see it in another way like me just a ride talking with friends.
I mean reason he is so down is he let her die and he probably felt like he let her down even in advent children he same way guilt.

not once I seen cloud make a move on anyone and no the club where he dressed up as a girl to get inside is not making a move.

I mean sorry for being a stick in the mud on this but I rather the hero be worried more about saving the world than him going on dates and making dinner plans trying to get in touch with his feelings towards someone hahaha nothing against what you all want I just think its way out there.

Lets look at it from your perspective, Lets say the mission is over then he is like oh you wanna have dinner with me answer: Yes or No then you go out and oh you brought me flowers awww can I have a kiss anwer yes or no.

let me be very clear I don't think that is ever going to happen in your life time especially if kids play this game with parents permission.

I don't think anyone really thinks about that remember SE got to have some restraint when it comes to these things.

Though I can sort of get it that you want the whole Hero saves the princess type thing like FF15 or locke and celes in final fantasy 6 and that's probably something missing from MMO's but I don't know if that even fits here.

anyways later.

i'd rather flirt with feo ul

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i'd rather flirt with feo ul

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I mean sorry for being a stick in the mud on this but I rather the hero be worried more about saving the world than him going on dates and making dinner plans trying to get in touch with his feelings towards someone hahaha nothing against what you all want I just think its way out there.

Lets look at it from your perspective, Lets say the mission is over then he is like oh you wanna have dinner with me answer: Yes or No then you go out and oh you brought me flowers awww can I have a kiss anwer yes or no.

let me be very clear I don't think that is ever going to happen in your life time especially if kids play this game with parents permission.

I don't think anyone really thinks about that remember SE got to have some restraint when it comes to these things.

Though I can sort of get it that you want the whole Hero saves the princess type thing like FF15 or locke and celes in final fantasy 6 and that's probably something missing from MMO's but I don't know if that even fits here.

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No offense, but you seem to be reading waaay more into this than we are. Your interpretation of what we've been saying is way overboard compared to what we've actually been saying.

I'm not going to chime into the FF7 discussion here, since that is a can of worms I'm not going to open, at least not here. Suffice it to say that the majority of people is probably going to disagree with you. There's a reason the shipping wars are still being waged to this day, lol.

As for flirting dialog options in this game in general:
Look, there are nuances. No one's asking for a dinner date (though we had that with Aymeric, to be fair) or kissing scenes or whatever (where did you get that idea from anyway? I'm confused), but the chance to flesh out our character and their relationship with an NPC of our choice a little bit. Giving our hero the option to flirt with someone does not detract them from doing their duty. Case in point: Your "Yes, mother..." comment towards Y'shtola, to which she replies she'll put you over her knee if you keep up the cheek. That, at least in my opinion, could easily be interpreted as flirting, as the necessary conditions for it are clearly met. And yet, this does not detract your character from saving the world somehow, now does it?

I get it when people want their character to be be all focused on their duty, no personal distractions through romance and that kind of stuff, and I respect that. However, there are people who would like a more personal note to their character and the relationship they have with certain NPCs. There is a humanizing effect to that, and no matter how big a hero the WoL/D is, they are still a person with their own feelings, wishes and weaknesses. I think Shadowbringers did a good job at portaying that, with the WoL/D not being immune to the light's corruption and feeling their effects and all, for example, but there is room for more.

I don't think adding a little more flavor to the dialog options to cater to that is going to kill anyone, flirting or no.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

no matter way you look at it that's whats being asked you can tell me I am wrong?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

but your asking to sexualize the hero to have him date or flirt with people when he's the hero of light and he's supposed to be saving the world.

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"She", for me. And no, I'm not. Nothing would force you to say anything romantic to anyone in the scenario I am advocating for, much less make the PC sexualized.

Far as anything beyond this point in your comment, you aren't really making coherent arguments. Just statements. My ultimate response to which is: If there's a flirt, and you don't like the flirt, don't take it. Then neither of us will have any problems. :)

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Also, what Dot21g said.

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Originally Posted by Dot21g

As for flirting dialog options in this game in general:
Look, there are nuances. No one's asking for a dinner date (though we had that with Aymeric, to be fair) or kissing scenes or whatever (where did you get that idea from anyway? I'm confused), but the chance to flesh out our character and their relationship with an NPC of our choice a little bit. Giving our hero the option to flirt with someone does not detract them from doing their duty. Case in point: Your "Yes, mother..." comment towards Y'shtola, to which she replies she'll put you over her knee if you keep up the cheek. That, at least in my opinion, could easily be interpreted as flirting, as the necessary conditions for it are clearly met. And yet, this does not detract your character from saving the world somehow, now does it?

I get it when people want their character to be be all focused on their duty, no personal distractions through romance and that kind of stuff, and I respect that. However, there are people who would like a more personal note to their character and the relationship they have with certain NPCs. There is a humanizing effect to that, and no matter how big a hero the WoL/D is, they are still a person with their own feelings, wishes and weaknesses. I think Shadowbringers did a good job at portaying that, with the WoL/D not being immune to the light's corruption and feeling their effects and all, for example, but there is room for more.

I don't think adding a little more flavor to the dialog options to cater to that is going to kill anyone, flirting or no.

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Yeah, if someone doesn't like that option in a dialogue - don't choose it. It's that simple.
The whole point of dialogue options is to flesh out the WoL instead of just always having him/ her nod silently. It gives players the chance to actually play how they imagine their characters are like. If someone is a flirt in is spare time, they can go for it. If someone is hyperfocused on his duty, they can choose to ignore the optional flirting and choose something more appropriate for how they imagined their character to be like.
Regardless of which option the player choses, nobody has asked for some major snogging or long questchains which focus on virtuel relationships of something. But making a flirty comment and seeing how the NPC reacts to it? Priceless. Yes, please.

And there already was quite a bit of flirting going on in HW and SB from NPCs. Not just speaking about the dinner date with Aymeric but of several other dialogues aswell. Both in the DE and EN version. Not even starting on the JP version because they tend to get the full load of flirty stuff whereas DE/ EN is pretty tame compared to that.
Even some things Cid and Thancred said in ARR could be interpreted as flirting, various less important NPCs had their moments aswell. It's nothing new in this game and it doesn't has anything to do with sexualizing NPCs or the WoL. It's just how relationships with other people can work, depending on the choices we make. Some stay strictly professional, some are full of friendly banter, others even have flirty moments here and there.

Honestly it's a bit weird to me that people are so alarmed by the possibility that there could be an option for the WoL to kiss an NPC. I'm not talking ten minute makeout stuff but like. FFX had a kiss scene between Yuna and Tidus. The world didn't end.

Again, whether it's flirting or a kiss or a dinner date with Aymeric or whatever, just doesn't seem like it needs to be a big deal between room for interpretation and options rather than mandates. No one had to pick Y'shtola's "yes, mother" answer lol.

Also, FF8's plot had Rinoa and Squall's romance at the center of it. I don't understand the "ew... kissing :P" reactions. Especially when we're not asking for kissing. And even if we were, we're asking for it to be optional.

You are asking me if it gets in my way, yes, yes it does it ruins my experience you don't choose that experience for me.

You can say but this but that but but but it still is my experience and how I see it you don't choose that for me, so if I say it would ruin my experience then it does end of discussion.

Now do I have a choice if it comes down to it no I don't have a choice cause the developer chose to do it but am I worried about them doing something like this no I am not cause it won't ever happen due to the fact younger audience plays the game also I doubt yoshi would even offer it.

I get you all want a little romance I would find it weird a suggestive line would even show up in my cutscene offering anything of the sorts even if I have to choose a option to bypass it, its weird.

Also about the rinoa and tidus and all those other games they were single player games not MMO's but hey you want what you want I'll not tell you that you can't dream and I will continue to say its something I wouldn't want.
I won't tell you how you experience the game in a previous thread I said everyone is allowed to express what they want and I have no right to tell you what anyone wants out of the game.
anyways you all have fun peace out.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

You are asking me if it gets in my way, yes, yes it does it ruins my experience you don't choose that experience for me.

You can say but this but that but but but it still is my experience and how I see it you don't choose that for me, so if I say it would ruin my experience then it does end of discussion.

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If an option being available for people who want something (an option that you personally do not have to take) ruins the experience for you, I really don't know how you manage.

Do you not go to restaurants because there might be items on the menu you don't want to order? If you don't approve of every single item on that menu, regardless of whether you're ordering it or not, does it ruin the experience for you?

I sure can't make you not hate videogames and restaurants and anything else where a variety of choices might be available. As you said, it's your experience and I can't choose how you react to it. But it sounds silly, inconvenient, and kind of unnecessarily stressful.

By the by. In a T-rated game that references rape, self-mutilation, prostitution, genocide, and so forth--if you really think something like the option of a kiss scene would be too extreme and inappropriate I really don't know what to tell you. Kids as young as three watch Disney films that have kisses in them. Terribly racy and inappropriate.

Thing with Rinoa and Tidus--they're RPGs. This is an MMORPG. Not MMO exclusively. People actually do like the story. You don't have to and are free to skip, but then again if options (not mandates, options) existing that you don't like is so distressing maybe RPGs aren't going to be your speed?

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

If an option being available for people who want something (an option that you personally do not have to take) ruins the experience for you, I really don't know how you manage.

Do you not go to restaurants because there might be items on the menu you don't want to order? If you don't approve of every single item on that menu, regardless of whether you're ordering it or not, does it ruin the experience for you?

I sure can't make you not hate videogames and restaurants and anything else where a variety of choices might be available. As you said, it's your experience and I can't choose how you react to it. But it sounds silly, inconvenient, and kind of unnecessarily miserable.

By the by. In a T-rated game that references rape, self-mutilation, prostitution, genocide, and so forth--if you really think something like the option of a kiss scene would be too extreme and inappropriate I really don't know what to tell you. Kids as young as three watch Disney films that have kisses in them. Terribly racy and inappropriate.

Thing with Rinoa and Tidus--they're RPGs. This is an MMORPG. Not MMO exclusively. People actually do like the story. You don't have to and are free to skip, but then again if options (not mandates, options) existing that you don't like is so distressing maybe RPGs aren't going to be your speed?

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It's not about that its about value's lets say the dad is not very fond of same sex stuff his son plays the game and If Aymeric asks "How about a romantic dinner between you and I what do you say"

Do you think the father has a right to blow the hell up because I know the answer because none of us have a right to tell him how to raise his son and what he is able to see he has a right to complain he has every right to be upset over it.

everyone expects people to be the same now days to be accepting but if they don't accept it they are the bad people even though they've done good all their life.

harsh reality we live in now days.

Now if I knew that was in the game, I have a son myself I wouldn't want him to read that if he respected Aymeric the way he was and if changed his way of viewing that character after the cutscene his thoughts would totally change wouldn't you agree if he didn't believe in that stuff and if he did I can't do nothing about it even if I didn't believe in it but at his age I still wouldn't want him to read it?

you can't force people to change their way of thinking.

I know I'll get flack for this nobody seems to like to say it but its the truth as I said harsh reality we live in today.

I don't care what anyone does on their own time that's between everyone else it doesn't bug me but when it presents itself and im forced to see a option like that how am I supposed to feel because it would make me think of that character in a new light regardless of what people think of me.

even though I am usually the nicest person ever.

I get what you are saying about disney and yes little mermaid and stuff like that with the kissing and the age thing sorry but are you assuming that all parents let their kids watch stuff like that? Because little known fact they don't not till a certain age its why there is a age limit but a kiss is harmless but then again it falls into what I said.

I have no words.

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It's not about that its about value's lets say the dad is not very fond of same sex stuff his son plays the game and If Aymeric asks "How about a romantic dinner between you and I what do you say"

Do you think the father has a right to blow the hell up because I know the answer because none of us have a right to tell him how to raise his son and what he is able to see he has a right to complain he has every right to be upset over it.

everyone expects people to be the same now days to be accepting but if they don't accept it they are the bad people even though they've done good all their life.

harsh reality we live in now days.

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First, same sex people do in fact visit each other for dinner. It can be romantic, or it can be platonic. The dad getting riled up is 100% on him and not SE's responsibility. If the son chooses to interpret the scene romantically that is on the son. If the son is actively pursuing same-sex options in the game, that's the choice he made in the game given an array of options available. If the father doesn't like the son doing that, 1) get a different game 2) again, it's on them not SE. And those options are still going to exist in real life regardless, too. Life is full of options. It's why your reaction confuses me so much. I honestly can't imagine going through a day where you had zero choices allowed.

People can certainly make the choice to be homophobic jerks. That doesn't mean everyone else should stop what they're doing to cater to them. In a world full of options, they don't have to engage what they don't want to while people who do want to go with those things can. The homophobic people do not get to decide how anyone else lives their life however, same way that no one can force them to play a game with homoerotic options if they don't want to. But that game has a right to exist.

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even though I am usually the nicest person ever.

I get what you are saying about disney and yes little mermaid and stuff like that with the kissing and the age thing sorry but are you assuming that all parents let their kids watch stuff like that? Because little known fact they don't not till a certain age.

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See, this confuses me too.

I can't imagine going up to people, online or otherwise, and saying "I'm the nicest person ever". It's not for me to decide. I just do the best I can, and there are absolutely moments I'm not proud of along with moments I've said "screw it" and just gave myself license to be bitchy. That claim makes it difficult for me to take you at your word here.

This really sounds like it isn't the game for you to be honest. It still has the right to exist, but I really don't know why you're playing it or arguing for what form it should take when it sounds like the last thing you'd want to engage with. If you truly think the Little Mermaid is too extreme for children, personally I think you may be running the risk of over-sheltering and stunting your kids. When everyone else has managed to learn social cues and that there is a basic concept of romance existing they'll have no idea whatsoever. At the end of the day though what you do in your house is at your discretion. Just know there are plenty of people who would disagree, as is their right.

Let me get this straight:
you don't want the option of a flirty answer for anyone in this game because somewhere on this planet might be a father who barges into his son's room and watches what's happening on the screen at the precise moment his son choses that particular line in a dialogue with a male NPC and could potentially give his son hell for it because he wants to raise his son straight as a board?
...that's the weakest argument I've ever heard.

You realize that the game is full of far more offensive and potentially triggering things, right?
Reference to suicide, depression, rape, parental abuse, graphic depiction of murder/ character death, torture, robbery and all sorts of brutality etc.
And let me tell you: there are a lot of people actively playing this game who have personal experience with one or the other. Yet everything is still present in this game. By your logic however all of this needs to be removed from the game.

I want an option to tease my trust companions relentlessly. Alisaie is just as much as a fan girl after all, and y'shtola would just tease right back. (if anyone took the MOM dialog option would know.)

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Let me get this straight:
you don't want the option of a flirty answer for anyone in this game because somewhere on this planet might be a father who barges into his son's room and watches what's happening on the screen at the precise moment his son choses that particular line in a dialogue with a male NPC and could potentially give his son hell for it because he wants to raise his son straight as a board?
...that's the weakest argument I've ever heard.

You realize that the game is full of far more offensive and potentially triggering things, right?
Reference to suicide, depression, rape, parental abuse, graphic depiction of murder/ character death, torture, robbery and all sorts of brutality etc.
And let me tell you: there are a lot of people actively playing this game who have personal experience with one or the other. Yet everything is still present in this game. By your logic however all of this needs to be removed from the game.

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again the son thing is just a example it could be grown ups who have values like that and just see characters differently, then to make a suggestive romance man and man would change a persons perspective of that character which would ruin their experience even if they had to skip.

and yeah actually it wouldn't hurt to put a little sensor option for stuff like that for a younger audience or are you against that? really would love to hear that answer from another grown adult because you put yourself in this situation and thus why this generation of kids do not listen to there parents.

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If you truly think the Little Mermaid is too extreme for children, personally I think you may be running the risk of over-sheltering and stunting your kids..

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Worked back then look at the generation now, whats your idea of doing things plopping them infront of a computer or cell phone letting social media raise them yeah hows that working out these days.

cause I see nothing but bad things happening sorry if I do my job as a parent to keep a keen eye on things sorry but to me that's a great parent.

anyways I think I am finished with this thread.

for the record nothing against same sex stuff as long as I don't have to be involved.

not up to me to choose what anyone does to make them happy in life if they are happy then who am I to get in the middle of that.

take care bye bye then.

Don't know why you're arguing about it. They're not going to add it in. At best you'll get options that you may think is a flirt but can be taken in multiple ways. Barring that one-off comment with Magnani if you're a female.

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Worked back then look at the generation now, whats your idea of doing things plopping them infront of a computer or cell phone letting social media raise them yeah hows that working out these days.

cause I see nothing but bad things happening sorry if I do my job as a parent to keep a keen eye on things sorry but to me that's a great parent.

anyways I think I am finished with this thread.

for the record nothing against same sex stuff as long as I don't have to be involved.

not up to me to choose what anyone does to make them happy in life if they are happy then who am I to get in the middle of that.

take care bye bye then.

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For what it's worth there is a middle ground between Teletubbies and Saw that lets kids get introduced to ideas according to how their brains develop. Doesn't have to be either no Little Mermaid or throw them to the wilds of youtube lol.

Given your sub date and level honestly my troll senses are tingling haha. If that's the case right on you got me. XD If not, might not be bad to look at what concepts children can handle at various ages then use that as an opportunity to talk to your kids.

Seeya.

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Don't know why you're arguing about it. They're not going to add it in. At best you'll get options that you may think is a flirt but can be taken in multiple ways. Barring that one-off comment with Magnani if you're a female.

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What are you saying as if our character makes the suggestion rather than the Npc then I probably be fine with them because you as the character are making the suggestion.

this way its up to you completely and doesn't break just for them it would be better than having a npc ask.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

again the son thing is just a example it could be grown ups who have values like that and just see characters differently, then to make a suggestive romance man and man would change a persons perspective of that character which would ruin their experience even if they had to skip.

and yeah actually it wouldn't hurt to put a little sensor option for stuff like that for a younger audience or are you against that? really would love to hear that answer from another grown adult because you put yourself in this situation and thus why this generation of kids do not listen to there parents.

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If someone is that sensitive about something going against their values, then that particular game is not for them.
Everyone has values, personal views and preferences but if the experience is ruined simply by the option of something they can choose to ignore, then that's on them. That is an extremely sensitive reaction to something and while they can have their views and values, this sort of reaction should not be the benchmark for writing scenes and dialogues.

Romance and violence of varying degrees have the right to exist in video games or any other medium. What you consume or not consume is solely up to you and if you notice that something about a game or other medium makes you so uncomfortable that the experience is ruined, my advice is to stop consuming it.
Escpecially grown adults should be able to distinguish between their personal views and what is the general consens. The former is, wether you like it or not, of little if any consequences for a medium that is designed to be consumed by a vast amount of people. Grown adults should also be able to move on if they encounter something that they don't particulary like. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to exist. If you chose to stick to your personal values this strictly, that is your personal choice but not a benchmark for dialogue writing.
We're not talking about hour-long, non-optional, non-skippable and explicit gay porn here.

Is it within my right to dislike something? Absolutely.
Are my feelings true though others feel different? Again, absolutely.
Does that make my feelings a general truth and therefore worth catering to? No.

Also to answer your question: I'm against filtering. I know that "but the children" is an argument that gets frequently used but teens also have the option of not consuming something and will generally stop doing it if they notice it's too much for them. If someone starts watching a horror movie and notices 20min in that they can't handle it, nobody forces them to continue watching it and they will most likely turn it off.
Teens are not clueless, helpless little beings that need to have every decision taken away from them in order to protect them. They can do so themselves suprisingly well.

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and yeah actually it wouldn't hurt to put a little sensor option for stuff like that for a younger audience or are you against that? really would love to hear that answer from another grown adult because you put yourself in this situation and thus why this generation of kids do not listen to there parents.

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You know this game is Pegi 16, right? Young kids aren't really supposed to be playing this. Your character gets drugged, there is multiple occasions of NPCs heavily implying sexual assault or worse, there's NPCs that smoke and drink. There's even one in the MSQ that kills themself.
Even if you censored these things, you can't censor the other players of this game. Children should not be playing this game if you want to shelter them.

But hey, that being said, I played FF7 and FF8 when I was 6 years old :D besides being a little scared of some monsters (like the T-rexsaur in FF8, or that weird Tongue boss in the submarine in ff7), I'm not any worse for it, I already knew that stuff in games is not real, and any questions I had, my parents would answer them honestly.
As for games exposing me to mature themes early?

I already knew about sex and death from going up on a farm anyway, and I am pretty sure I grew up a well adjusted individual.

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You know this game is Pegi 16, right? Kids are not supposed to be playing this. Your character gets drugged, there is multiple occasions of NPCs heavily implying sexual assault or worse, there's NPCs that smoke and drink.
Even if you censored these things, you can't censor the other players of this game. Children should not be playing this game. Period.

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Yes and technically 16 is still a kid. I understand fully.

It's rated Teen in America, so 13 years of age. But I don't think it would easy to to add a censor option. All games are the responsibility of a parent or guardian, the ratings boards are just a guideline, hence squeaky voiced kids in games like Call of Duty who have yet to even hit puberty.

So, not a game problem, but a parent/guardian problem.

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Yes and technically 16 is still a kid. I understand fully.

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You want to shelter a kid even at age 16? I don't think that's particularly healthy, if you shelter a kid for too long, they might not be able to deal with situations as an adult.

considering the legal age of consent is 16 where I live, they really need to know everything about the topic before then.

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You want to shelter a kid even at age 16? I don't think that's particularly healthy, if you shelter a kid for too long, they might not be able to deal with situations as an adult.

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Not to mention teen television is going to show them much /much/ more than a simple flirt option.

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Not to mention teen television is going to show them much /much/ more than a simple flirt option.

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Yeah, that's why my schools health class, not only taught people about safe sex, but also what was a healthy relationship, and signs of bad relationships to look out for, and to not be afraid to say no if you're in any way uncomfortable with the situation.
You protect kids by educating them correctly, not leaving them in the dark.

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You want to shelter a kid even at age 16? I don't think that's particularly healthy, if you shelter a kid for too long, they might not be able to deal with situations as an adult.

considering the legal age of consent is 16 where I live, they really need to know everything about the topic before then.

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No but teaching them the right way instead of the wrong way and to set a example for others when they hit 18 and can do for themselves.

You call it not healthy? First off you have a world that is filled to the brim with hyper sensitive people on social media, people making video's on cops to exercise their rights just to make money off the video also to disrupt whatever the law is doing to prove a point that they are being harassed by the law.

kids eating soap pods, doing stuff from youtube, stuff on snapchat they probably dont want you knowing things you are in the dark about you might say it wont happen to me but trust me it does think when you were a kid you did stuff you werent supposed to do and be like meh maybe it won't be so bad I say we were lucky and today is different than it was back then.

people who bury their faces in cell phones who don't pay attention to whats going on who either fall into traffic or crash, kids recording fights even adults instead of getting involved and stopping it.

Let me guess if you had a kid you'd buy them a cell phone, you'd allow them to go online you'd go watch tv while they secretly go on snapchat or sites they shouldn't be going on as they are being raised online they don't learn proper whats right from wrong, they get bullied in school they don't tell you because you don't insert yourself early on and have normal talks with them instead because you didn't take the time to get involved they've sheltered themselves away from you and keep to themselves now that isn't healthy.

nobody says I leave them in the dark also that would be more you than me, I keep track I tell them and talk to them normally not hey here's a cell phone run along I trust you not to do what I wouldn't do.

and they'll do it trust me.

Cause id bet you anything if you ask them to see their phone or whatever emails they have they'd tell you straight no to your face and guess what no matter how mad you get this is on you can't blame them cause you allowed it.

there is a time to be nice and then a time when you know its enough especially if you know its wrong you have a obligation as a parent to step in and fix it, if a kid breaks a window out of a car its the parents duty to pay for it, I am going to be the parent that prevents my kid from doing that this way nobody pays anything, not be like don't let me catch you doing that again now go play on your phone while I make dinner NO sorry.

this is getting off track any how good luck also thanks for the pep talk.

I know i'll get a few nay's here and there but its fine you are entitled to your opinions.

now enough about me, continue with OP topic.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

No but teaching them the right way instead of the wrong way and to set a example for others when they hit 18 and can do for themselves.

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So flirting with a male character if you maybe are male too is "the wrong way"? Cause that's the topic here, nothing else.
You are far too serious to all of this. Yes, it is right to guide and safe your children. Don't disagree with you there, I have a kid myself.
But all we're talking here about is a simple, harmless flirt, nothing else. Something a 16-year-old should handle without problem. Even if it's between two male characters.
The problem with what you're telling us is that you say you have no problem with same sex in video games, but you act very different. All you say sounds a lot homophobic to me (and I'm not the only one, I'm sure). I think that's the real problem here.

Nobody is talking about sex scenes or even a detailed kissing scene. Just about flirting.

While we are at it, I want to date with Alphinaud while him cheating on his husbando Estinien. Also I want to marry Graha Tia, not eternal bond - that's not fair. Oh and let's also not forget, since this game turns into more TheSims and actually better than the original game ever was, let me adopt Khloe already.

To be fair, I’m not talking about “man and man” flirting here. My WoL is female. :P I just recognize that G’raha acts the way he does regardless of player character, so the option should be available, regardless of player character.

Besides, if the flirt option is there, but your male character doesn’t take it, then clearly they are not into G’raha. You are not being forced to think of your character as gay b/c by choosing not to flirt you have decided your character is not gay (at least not for G’raha). And isn't that what you thought beforehand about your character anyway? Literally nothing would change. Chill man.

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So flirting with a male character if you maybe are male too is "the wrong way"? Cause that's the topic here, nothing else.

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Since when was that the topic? For 19 pages the topic has been primarily about being able to have options to flirt with specific NPCs. And why are you trying to twist what he said?

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Since when was that the topic? For 19 pages the topic has been primarily about being able to have options to flirt with specific NPCs. And why are you trying to twist what he said?

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That's what I said. That the topic is about flirting.

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That's what I said. That the topic is about flirting.

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It did sound like you were saying homosexuality, and acceptance of homosexuality, was the topic to me. Could use an edit for clarity if that's not what you meant.



I just want the option to flirt with the Exarch. I think it could add a nice aspect to my WoL's story. I don't care who else gets it, too, or who else chooses not to use it. Pretty sure most people asking for this flirt option feel the same?

Did we get bored of playing the game this fast?

How did this turn into a debate on morality and parenting lmao

I just wanna give the cat man a hug

He deserves one

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How did this turn into a debate on morality and parenting lmao

I just wanna give the cat man a hug

He deserves one

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Coz there was a dude that wanted to protect 16 year old kids from homosexual flirting for some reason.
When really, at age 16 (or any age really) they shouldn't be sheltered from flirting or homosexual relationships, because both of those things aren't even damaging in any way.