Where did the Lalafell hate originate?

Huh? Everyone loves lalas. How could you not? Their souls appease the dice gods. Also if you feed enough of them to your chocobo and you'll get a cute fat chocobo to ride around on.

Lalas are evil. Who do you think placed all the monster into dungeons? Evil Lala mages, that is who! Who do you think messes with every players rng that time they did not get what they wanted? Again evil Lalas!
Of course I am joking, but being on the internet it is best to be perfectly clear. :P

Hmm... this makes me remember those times I ran dungeons and every other player was a lala, kinda looked like I was a kindergarden teacher.

Its just a running gag with pretty much every game. People always rip on the shortest race. When you see people around who actually take it seriously, those people are just confused idiots who don't get the joke.

Lalafell are nothing compared to the annoyance that is tarutaru
Just constant rhymes

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Originally Posted by DrMaverick

(Hey, that rhymed!)

At the risk of sounding like one of those people that whine about people disliking the race I play, I just wanted to ask. Where exactly did the whole thing against Lalafells originate? I hate to sound whiny but this is a legitimate question. I\\'m honestly unsure about the whole thing. Is it because gnomes from WoW have basically made people hate any short races in MMOs? Is it because people think Lala players are lolicons or wannabe-kid diddlers or something? Or is the Lalafell hate about as common as the dragoon joke, IE, Nonexistent? Is it all of the above? Is it one of the above? Or none of the above?

One another note, I wholly agree that the makes are kind of creepy. One of the few times they haven\\'t been crept to me is a cross-dressing glamour set I saw on the glamour set site. That says something about the female Lalafells.

On yet another note, if you hate Lalafells because of Teledji… I wholeheartedly agree. He\\'s a c-

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They know deep-down that we are Hydaelyn's chosen people, and they've resented us for that basic fact. Think about it, we've always been the lifeblood of Eorzea. Do you think that these goy...I mean, guys, could function without our wisdom? That is why they're still being anti-semitic in the current year.

Don't allow these "people" to brainwash you against the tribe :^)

Also, nothing is more heroic than a Tarutaru Beastmaster. True patriots they were.

Some people love stale, low effort memes. Honestly, having that same lame joke used on me all the time just comes off as obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Because while every race has its evil, for most races "evil" ppl are the outlier but for lala its the norm. You can always find exceptions to the rule like Yotsuyu for hyurs or Krile in the case of lala :D :D :D

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Well, I invite you to prove that.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Reading your posts though throughout this thread I think you are taking it way to seriously...another reason the lala taunting has gotten as far as it has.

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In-game that's enough reason for me to look for some GM to inform him about that harassment. I have zero tolerance with someone who don't even know me and think that taunting a random lala player is a good idea.

lalafell > all, we are the master race :)

I don't hate lalafells. I do find them more uhm .... well ...

ADORABLE OMFG *PETS*

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Originally Posted by Soraki-Muppe

Hmm... this makes me remember those times I ran dungeons and every other player was a lala, kinda looked like I was a kindergarden teacher.

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Been there, done that. With my Elezen alt.

I figure it must make healer duty easier if you have a bird's-eye view of the battle....

I think it started way back in Final Fantasy XI. Back then Tarutaru were based in Windurst, a nature/magic city full of cat girls and short people. It was filled with cheery upbeat music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnP16Ypf4l4) and a bunch of Ned Flanders type speech coming from the Tarutaru NPCs that made them come off as having speech impediments. One Tarutaru comes to mind, coughshantottocough, who was especially annoying with her rhymes. But god damn they could fart out some good magic damage.

But I must admit, XIV's versions are a bit less annoying overall.

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Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles

I think it started way back in Final Fantasy XI. Back then Tarutaru were based in Windurst, a nature/magic city full of cat girls and short people. It was filled with cheery upbeat music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnP16Ypf4l4) and a bunch of Ned Flanders type speech coming from the Tarutaru NPCs that made them come off as having speech impediments. One Tarutaru comes to mind, coughshantottocough, who was especially annoying with her rhymes. But god damn they could fart out some good magic damage.

But I must admit, XIV's versions are a bit less annoying overall.

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She did love her curses and mischief. Shantotto was always my favorite troublemaker.

Yet us true XIers.. We battled hard FOR THE WARP TARU!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFDMiq_EWMc

I think lalas are very cute and funny, I like how they walk and run, the childish movements (but wouldn't choose as my character as they don't look very hero-like.) I don't think there is hate, but there are jokes as some villain NPC are lalafell, and the race is funny. Gear does not look well on them, and sometimes it is difficult to distinguish males and females (especially NPC), this is not a good thing. Maybe for PVP they are more difficult to target and that is an advantage.

On the other hand, usually lalafell players are good players.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Been there, done that. With my Elezen alt.

I figure it must make healer duty easier if you have a bird's-eye view of the battle....

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Usually being a tank in these situation I feel more like a irresponsible adult running away from kids right into a pack of angry monsters.

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Originally Posted by JonBigwood

sometimes it is difficult to distinguish males and females (especially NPC), this is not a good thing.

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It's actually easier to tell NPCs apart - not because of their appearance, but because of their names! All four gender/clan combinations have a distinct name pattern. (Sometimes the clans get mixed up, but not the genders.)

Plainsfolk male: rhyming names - Alka Zolka, Pipin Tarupin

Plainsfolk female: three syllables, second repeated - Dewlala, Melkoko

Dunesfolk male: four sylables, first repeated - Lolorito, Gegeruju
* "N" can act as a separate syllable in Japanese, which is what the names are built on, so some names like Papashan seem to have three syllables but still fit the pattern.

Dunesfolk female: three syllables, first repeated - Tataru, Nanamo


TL;DR: a Lalafell with a three-syllable name is almost certainly female.

They run away from my fat chocobo when it wants to eat them. Why would a popoto run?? And even worse...why does it talk? (https://youtu.be/bj6eQ7oitJo?t=7s)

*clears throat*
at the start of the game most lalafells were evil;

lalas in general love to spam emotes, especially the laughter emote with that particular annoying voice (cat people also tend to do this - wish i could punt them and grab them by the tail respectively and throw them into the limsa sea)

and the master race bs was pretty much started by people playing lalas

also for some reason they are really... all over you. I hope someone has explained that better than I can but basically... I don't fnd you cute, just please stop throwing yourselves at me and try to make me find you cute. You are not my cup of tea. Just. Bloody. Stop. It. What is wrong with you people x_X

At least cat people mind their own business more often than not. @_@

But you know how you make the hate slightly better? you're that one lala that lala haters meet and they think you're an all right person even though you're playing a lala. Be the exception the haters have.

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Originally Posted by Schan

*clears throat*
at the start of the game most lalafells were evil;

lalas in general love to spam emotes, especially the laughter emote with that particular annoying voice (cat people also tend to do this - wish i could punt them and grab them by the tail respectively and throw them into the limsa sea)

and the master race bs was pretty much started by people playing lalas

also for some reason they are really... all over you. I hope someone has explained that better than I can but basically... I don't fnd you cute, just please stop throwing yourselves at me and try to make me find you cute. You are not my cup of tea. Just. Bloody. Stop. It. What is wrong with you people x_X

At least cat people mind their own business more often than not. @_@

But you know how you make the hate slightly better? you're that one lala that lala haters meet and they think you're an all right person even though you're playing a lala. Be the exception the haters have.

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>assuming people surround them for their attention.
>cat people mind their own business.

Lmao.

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Originally Posted by Schan

But you know how you make the hate slightly better? you're that one lala that lala haters meet and they think you're an all right person even though you're playing a lala. Be the exception the haters have.

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Sorry to inform you, but those lalas that throw themselves at you are minority. An noisy minority, I'd say.

And I knew and played with a plenty of lala players. I even was from a LS full of lalas. No one throw themselves at other players. No one even spam emotes. But that isn't enough to keep the hatred down.

That's because haters - like you - have those noisy minority as a "default lalafell". And to them, no matter what a lalafell player does, that hatred won't go down. Not even a bit. That's because the hatred is on you, not on lala players.

But if you have some problem with some specific lala players, I invite you to tell GM about it. They will most likely be banned for harassment.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

Sorry to inform you, but those lalas that throw themselves at you are minority. An noisy minority, I'd say.

And I knew and played with a plenty of lala players. I even was from a LS full of lalas. No one throw themselves at other players. No one even spam emotes. But that isn't enough to keep the hatred down.

That's because haters - like you - have those noisy minority as a "default lalafell". And to them, no matter what a lalafell player does, that hatred won't go down. Not even a bit. That's because the hatred is on you, not on lala players.

But if you have some problem with some specific lala players, I invite you to tell GM about it. They will most likely be banned for harassment.

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Well said, Miraidensetsu.

No offense, Schan but I have never observed some of the behavior you've described. Perhaps it's a case of confirmation bias?

Now, the Master Race meme I've seen. It's a silly meme.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

An noisy minority, I'd say.

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This is my point. Unfortunatly they are noisy enough to actually aggravate other players, hence generating the hate.

If you want to lump me with the "haters" because i'm trying to compile a list of possible reasons as to why such hate exists then feel free i guess.

I would welcome you to be a bit less defensive when it comes to the race of your preference. I would also guess that that defensiveness is what makes people enjoy taking jabs at some races. *points at Zepla's video on how to annoy the 6 races*

With that said, keep up the good work of deconstructing the lala stereotype. You keep being you.

@Kacho_Nacho
I'm glad you have never seen such behaviour, but just because you have never experienced it does not mean that it does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

Some people love stale, low effort memes. Honestly, having that same lame joke used on me all the time just comes off as obnoxious.

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also this. so much this regardless of race.

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Originally Posted by DrMaverick

(Hey, that rhymed!)

At the risk of sounding like one of those people that whine about people disliking the race I play, I just wanted to ask. Where exactly did the whole thing against Lalafells originate? I hate to sound whiny but this is a legitimate question. I\\'m honestly unsure about the whole thing. Is it because gnomes from WoW have basically made people hate any short races in MMOs? Is it because people think Lala players are lolicons or wannabe-kid diddlers or something? Or is the Lalafell hate about as common as the dragoon joke, IE, Nonexistent? Is it all of the above? Is it one of the above? Or none of the above?

One another note, I wholly agree that the makes are kind of creepy. One of the few times they haven\\'t been crept to me is a cross-dressing glamour set I saw on the glamour set site. That says something about the female Lalafells.

On yet another note, if you hate Lalafells because of Teledji… I wholeheartedly agree. He\\'s a c-

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Long Time MMO player, played many of them going back to the days of Muds.

Here's what I have seen, people always make a meme about 'Punting', 'hate' ect on the small cute races. In WOW it was Gnomes, in Wildstar it was the bunny eared folks and the Beaver people thingies. In FFXIV Lala's. It's just a people being stupid really. The only time it ever actually affected anything was in early world PVP in games like WOW when people where mouse clickers for targeting and they were a large race character, ie Tauren vs Gnome. The Gnome would have an advantage in this one case because the Tauren would have difficulty mouse clicking the the gnome.

I just want to say eve that very specific issue was fixed in WOW by adding big giant nameplates by pressing "V".


I always felt people OOC ragging on people for the Race they want to play is insulting and petty. I have characters of all sizes, shapes, genders, and I enjoy playing them all.

Got a chuckle out of this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...nglalafell.png

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Got a chuckle out of this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...nglalafell.png

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Wow.

Just...wow... I'm really surprised at how I missed this dialogue.

I went Lala a few days ago for several reasons: A) Best way to signal that you are not interested in the mmo dating market. I want to play the game, not date, romance, marry or flirt. B) I enjoy funny things and I can laugh about myself. I'm not in that phase anymore where I need to play that badass edgy brooding topless DRK mary sue character to feel badass. I rather look at a char that makes me smile and chuckle. C) I like how the world feels so much bigger.

I met some obnoxious Lala players before, I understand the bias. Same as with the French stigma. Not all are like that, but if the majority of our experiences follows a certain pattern, we get prejudiced, that's just human.
Personally I didn't encounter any hate so far side from the usual banter. I have no problem with that, because I like dishing it out myself. I don't notice any difference in how I'm being treated, aside from the occasional /pet, and not getting hit on anmore by shirtless dude bros, which is amazing xD

I think the food references migrated from FFXI along with the players who did, although in my experience it's par for the course in any fantasy setting that throws together two races of extremely disparate size. To a certain extent. My Lalafell character is named after breakfast cereal, which is definitely a holdover from my FFXI days.

If a lifelong love of horror movies has taught me anything it's that one reliable method of giving a lot of people the creeps is to show them something seemingly childlike and innocent, then reveal it's darker nature. I think for some, the idea of a Lalafell evokes that automatic dislike or distrust and it can carry over from "this concept disturbs me" to "people who aren't also bothered by this concept disturb me".

I've never experienced any negative reactions to my Lalafell character and I love playing her; that's just my opinion on what it is about them that might provoke a negative response, based mainly on a few conversations I've had with people who dislike the race because they're "creepy". I get curious about stuff like that.

Lala Black mages ( females especially) make the most annoying noises when casting. They are the reason I tend to play with the game muted.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Lala Black mages ( females especially) make the most annoying noises when casting. They are the reason I tend to play with the game muted.

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Casters don't make noises? o.ô; Except the noise of the explosions maybe, but that's not race specific.

Usually bards are the ones with the annoying sounds ^^ And I think that one Miqote voice tops anything Lalas have to offer >.>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hhPOXv9PFQ

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Got a chuckle out of this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...nglalafell.png

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

Wow.

Just...wow... I'm really surprised at how I missed this dialogue.

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I saw that too! You only get it if you talk to Byakko immediately after defeating Suzaku but before talking to Genbu (who is standing right there with a "continue quest" marker).

Always talk to everyone before you progress to the next step of the quest!

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Got a chuckle out of this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...nglalafell.png

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*draws katana and heads for Limsa Lominsa Lower Decks*

What? It's for sport!...and science.

i hate lalas one being the ONLY exception, because they are all rude as hell. have had to black list so many lalas.

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Originally Posted by Elohiel

i hate lalas one being the ONLY exception, because they are all rude as hell. have had to black list so many lalas.

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Comes out of nowhere to necro an 6 year old topic to call all Lalafell players rude...

What a nice person you are.

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Originally Posted by Tint

Comes out of nowhere to necro an 6 year old topic to call all Lalafell players rude...

What a nice person you are.

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clearly the lalafells are to blame
they're in the walls

I for one play Lala because I enjoy being smaller than most of the enemies I face. It makes the game feel more insurmountable and I enjoy that. I'm also a mage/ranged main and big/tall characters in the back line looks weird af lol.

They should add an option to replace all Lalas with Lopporits!

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Originally Posted by RyoXander

I for one play Lala because I enjoy being smaller than most of the enemies I face. It makes the game feel more insurmountable and I enjoy that. I'm also a mage/ranged main and big/tall characters in the back line looks weird af lol.

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For what is worth, you will be smaller than the overwhelming majority of enemies as is, since enemies have large hitboxes for a multitude of reasons, this is notable with the 10 foot tall Au Ra NIN in one of the Variant dungeons, or Prishe being 15 foot tall as a boss but the size of a normal teenager as a normal NPC.

This even applies to normal enemies, as a 5'2" Au Ra, I think every single overworld enemy barring the handful that are meant to be small like Sylphs, Pixies and the like is at least twice my size.

People usually joke about weaknesses or shortcomings. Jokes can be made into a tool to insult people and if they can get a reaction out of you, then it gives them a level of control over you. This is one example.

Look at the state of them, who would ever play them, sick sick people.

Can't say I've came across any Lala hate... yet.
All I have ever gotten was head pats or players making there characters faint for being "too cute".

I was indifferent to Lalas mostly when I started as a Au Ra briefly before going Viera through Shadowbringers and most of Endwalker, but I did click with Lala when me and my friends all fanta'd into Lalafells as a joke and me sticking with it once they all switched back.

I think it was for me the subverting expectations trope, having a cute AF appearance but also being the most mischievous, crass and/or debaucherous character in the group.