My Opinion of the Little Ladies Day Event

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Originally Posted by Camiie

FFXIV has Little Ladies' Day

FFXV has Sausage Fest everyday

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Lmao they need a Sausage Day event lol thank you for making my day. Ps. Se make more masculin gear and by that I mean manly not revealing and tight .

It's fun. I'm rooting for the Au'ra Idol again. The performance is gonna another hit for the ages.

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Originally Posted by Linx0r

Lmao they need a Sausage Day event lol thank you for making my day. Ps. Se make more masculin gear and by that I mean manly not revealing and tight .

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Well, its common to eat sausages at Oktoberfest, and there are already MMO's with similar in game holidays. It would be no stretch to have a "sausage fest" in early October. It would also be a good way to sneak in some typical appropriate clothing for the event as well. Could be a lot of fun if they'd let it. Might not be man-centric, but it would definitely be a sausage fest. ^_^

If they decide to do a "little boy's day" but not do XI'S version they can have it revolve around a sport of some kind.

Like maaaaaaaybe, Blitzball? :p

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

And as for males get shafted regarding clothes and hair? A lot of things I've played have this same issue.

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"A lot of games have it so it's okay."

If we had that mentality with everything though, lol.

The idols bore me, I'd much rather drool over Men.

Get us a Highlander an Aura and a Roe male and have them beat each other up or something while wearing swimsuits.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Wait I haven't playing VII for quite a time but I'm pretty sure this is not a side quest and you needed to do it in order to progress the story.

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I mean the optional things to be the best underwear and stuff. To get the basic items didn't require you to be anything crazy. Nonetheless, SE already confirmed that they will alter that segment to meet "social standings."

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I mean the optional things to be the best underwear and stuff. To get the basic items didn't require you to be anything crazy. Nonetheless, SE already confirmed that they will alter that segment to meet "social standings."

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"Social standings" my behind! That part of the game was friggin' hilarious. I don't see why they should have to alter it just because a few people might get their undies in a bunch. Good lord....

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Originally Posted by Vidu

LLD does not provide female only glamour.
Each item we got from that event has either been unisex (or well, at least both genders could wear those items) or we got one female and one male set - and according to this thread a lot of people happen to like the male glamour set we got last year.
You can still argue that with all the cherryblossoms and the whole cute-theme it caters more to girls than boys, but you cant deny the fact that we are getting equal treatment here (and if only in numbers).

(Honestly - may would seem like a good months to have an event in though! I always feel like Valentines Day - Little Ladies Day - Eastern are feeling a bit "cramped", event-wise while there is this gap in May that they tried to fill with the GC "Make it Rain!" event the last two years)

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Ah, I haven't really paid much attention as I don't play any male characters. Well more than one character for that matter. In any event still seems odd not to have a Boys Day equivalent and no it doesn't have to be pedophilic in nature (not addressed to you or your post Vidu just some of the others after it).

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Please explain how making a true statement is sexist.

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It really is, because i said so. :P

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

The idols bore me, I'd much rather drool over Men.

Get us a Highlander an Aura and a Roe male and have them beat each other up or something while wearing swimsuits.

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*High Fives Pomelo*

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

The idols bore me, I'd much rather drool over Men.

Get us a Highlander an Aura and a Roe male and have them beat each other up or something while wearing swimsuits.

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Yeeeeeeeah, I rather go kawaii for the Idols singing to bring happiness to Eorzea then to see 3 men fighting for who's dong is bigger. D:

I'm going to preface this post with a statement because I know the easiest argument to it is going to be calling me some sort of sexist homophobic transphobe. I am not. I do not care about anyone's sexuality or genitals unless I want to date them and I've been happily off the market for a while now. I've got a lot of friends who fall under the LGBT umbrella and I would never want them to be censored from being who they are even if it makes some bigoted people uncomfortable.

That aside I have a premise for you to consider...

I am a girl. I wear a bunch of my boyfriend's clothes to the mall. They are all things he's bought specifically in the mens sections of stores. Lets say some jeans, work boots a tee shirt and a flannel. Other than them fitting me very poorly and being much too large no one would look twice at me.

Now it's the boyfriend's turn. He can magically fit into my sizes here. He throws on heels, a dress and a face of makeup and also goes to the mall.

Which of us is going to have people staring at us, talking about us, potentially even harrassing us? All him. I bought the clothes he's wearing in the women's sections of stores, he bought his from the men's and yet as a woman I can wear his and it's socially acceptable but if he wears mine it's a big deal.

Feminity has an exclusivity to it in today's world that masculinity has more or less lost entirely at this point. There are a number of factors in play making that happen but they're irrelevant to the question at hand.

What would a "male event" even consist of?

There is virtually nothing in the world of clothing that men have which women don't, the only one I can even think of is socially acceptable toplessness which is already in the game in spades. Any sort of traditionally masculine activity like a sporting event or even combat it's self would undoubtably draw criticism if it didn't include a female participant because we as a society care if women are excluded from literally anything ever without extending the same courtesy to men.

I am not saying I want outfits genderlocked (I don't care) and I'm not saying I'm opposed to the very concept of a male answer to the LLD event but I am saying that I think both of those things have real links to the real world and in the case of the event some real issues that would need to be sorted out in regards to sexism against women (aka the kind that gets you in PR trouble) before they make it into the game.

I know this is wordy, I'm sorry, but I think this thread is trying to drastically oversimplify a really complex set of issues that the devs would have to handle. I think this is why we don't have the ledgendary male bunny suit - it's already not in the game and people are playing, if we put it in the game and people are offended how many subs are we losing? Who knows.

It seems like in respect to the gender locks on clothing SE is erring on the side of "it ain't broke don't fix it". On the subject of a man-centric holiday I would love to see some real premises for what that event would consist of and how you would justify to offended female players why women were not included. No more throwaway answers of "buff guys wrestling in underwear" I want something that SE could conceivably shape a 2-week event around.

If you're unable to answer these then maybe stop complaining that SE hasn't done it either.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Which of us is going to have people staring at us, talking about us, potentially even harrassing us? All him. I bought the clothes he's wearing in the women's sections of stores, he bought his from the men's and yet as a woman I can wear his and it's socially acceptable but if he wears mine it's a big deal.

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Lots of accounts I've heard from transgender men and non conforming women would say otherwise. I'm not saying what you said isn't true, it certianlly is, but it's not as black and white as you think.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

What would a "male event" even consist of?

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Pockets, pockets everywhere. We'll call it pocket day and the outfits will have lots and lots of fully functional pockets.

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Originally Posted by Nixxa

Pockets, pockets everywhere. We'll call it pocket day and the outfits will have lots and lots of fully functional pockets.

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Just don't let Nomura hear about it or we'll have to deal with it for the next 10 years.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

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If you have to qualify an opinion statement with "I'm not transphobic/racist/etc., I even have friends who are trans/different ethnicities/etc., then you are probably going to stick your foot in your mouth in a spectacular way. Which is exactly what you did.

Look, this is a really minor event in a video game and OP clearly started the thread for lulz. We don't have to get super serious about this. But not wanting to include simple events to celebrate men because it might offend people is patently silly. If no one gets upset over the objectified and almost offensively pure idol girls that are featured in Lady's Day events I'm pretty sure no one would be offended if there was some male equivalent (seriously, I felt like I was playing a dating sim, and I'm 99% sure that's what SE intended). Instead of saying "you could offend someone by including it" (there will ALWAYS be someone there to take offense), think about it as "Despite the varied demographics that play this game, SE is still targeting the young heterosexual male first and foremost." Because that's what's going on with the gear situation and some events (Little Ladies Day and recently Moonfire Faire).

Clearly some people are offended that there isn't a male equivalent of Little Lady's Day, and I'm kind of sympathetic even though I don't think we need an event for guys. If SE gave people who played male characters equal treatment in the gear/appearance space, this subject probably would have been laughed off the Recent Posts page like it deserved within a few hours. As it is, SE has done damage to part of its player base so you get people taking obvious bait posts seriously.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Just don't let Nomura hear about it or we'll have to deal with it for the next 10 years.

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And zippers. It'll be a renaissance of the early 00's for JRPG protagonist designs!

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

On the subject of a man-centric holiday I would love to see some real premises for what that event would consist of and how you would justify to offended female players why women were not included. No more throwaway answers of "buff guys wrestling in underwear" I want something that SE could conceivably shape a 2-week event around.

If you're unable to answer these then maybe stop complaining that SE hasn't done it either.

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You immediately jump to the idea that a boys event would be NO GIRLS ALLOWED..but why couldn't a male event work like the LLD? The LLD event, while centered around girls, is available for all race/gender options to participate in.

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A: male idols exist too (and if my twitter feed is anything to go by, they are very popular lol), just throw them on a stage
B: make an XIV version of XI's boys day (Feast of Swords). Ezpz.
C: Do the silly dating event that was an april fools dev journal post. Do you know how excited everyone was at the idea to confess to Aymeric? ;P

Our last moonfaire had us peeping on girls in bikinis. That seemed to fly by without any bad PR/ladies howling in the forums about being offended. I think we could survive an event starring male NPCs. PS. Im also a girl.

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Originally Posted by Nixxa

Pockets, pockets everywhere. We'll call it pocket day and the outfits will have lots and lots of fully functional pockets.

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This is why I steal the SO's sweatpants >.>

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

Lots of accounts I've heard from transgender men and non conforming women would say otherwise. I'm not saying what you said isn't true, it certianlly is, but it's not as black and white as you think.

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If you're ready to dismiss someone else's anecdotal evidence as antecdotal you may want to then avoid offering up your own antecdotes as a counterpoint. I appreciate that you're trying to bring the other side of this coin into the dialog but at the same time even if it isn't black and white it is at best extremely dark grey and extremely light grey to the point that it may as well be black and white. There are parts of the US where a guy wearing a dress would be in real danger for nothing else than wearing a dress, that's not something I have to deal with in the first world as a woman in anything close to the same way.

Again I am not saying I like that this double standard exists but I am saying to ignore the way it could be influencing things in something as attached to pop culture as a video game would be silly.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

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So in conclusion don't take a thread seriously even though there has been discussion in it and OP has not admitted to trolling and despite the fact that tone is irrelevant on the internet so even if some of the posts (OP or otherwise) were joking there is virtually no way to know that?

Oh, don't let me forget how you're disregarding the preface of my post and actually trying to use the fact that I took time to explain my sensitivity to people with other genders and sexualities against me to make it seem like I don't care about those issues. That was pretty good too.

It may be a "really minor" thing to you but the treatment of male characters in comparison to female characters has been a hot button issue lately whether you like it or not and offering some actual ideas as to why some of these issues persist instead of laughing it off because it doesn't effect me personally seemed like a better use of my time.

By all means continue acting like a child because adults are talking though, I enjoy laughing as much as the next person :D

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Clearly some people are offended that there isn't a male equivalent of Little Lady's Day

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If there are some individuals who are legitimately getting offended that there isn't a male equivalent of this, then they need to grow a backbone and stop getting offended at silly things like that.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

What would a "male event" even consist of?

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A 25% increase of all gil earned and an emote for not washing your hands after you go to the bathroom.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

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Now that I have access to my laptop: lets elaborate!

A. Idols, but this time men
Male idols are a thing. A big thing. A JP based company would likely know this. Hell, even Sanrio made a boy band to complement their girl band!

https://i.imgur.com/qPwdxr1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Tkgn4sq.jpg

B. Feast of Swords
The event was made so that ladies got their holiday for them and guys had an event to celebrate them. Considering that it still a yearly thing (under SE no less), I don’t think anyone would spontaneously combust if such a holiday would hop games.

C. Crush on NPCs
In kinda the same vein as A, male characters have a fanbase ( look up the second hand prices that the little aymeric/haurchefant figures go for now D:)! Why not dedicate it to them? The silly dating game tease made all the JP fan artists I follow go wild. Just make something fun celebrating everyones favorite dudes. Or repurpose side NPCs *coughCompanyofHeroes*. Or made new likable guys I dunno.

end note, I don't really care one way or another as its a filler holiday, but the idea of a male centric event being some impossible feat is silly imo :3

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

It may be a "really minor" thing to you but the treatment of male characters in comparison to female characters has been a hot button issue lately whether you like it or not and offering some actual ideas as to why some of these issues persist instead of laughing it off because it doesn't effect me personally seemed like a better use of my time.

By all means continue acting like a child because adults are talking though, I enjoy laughing as much as the next person :D

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Wow ma'am, sorry my childish and immature comments got under your skin. Let's start over fresh, yeah?

Honestly speaking, there's no reason NOT to have an event featuring boys other than SE felt there was no need. Why? Who knows. But considering this game was developed well before #MeToo and other social movements, I'm pretty sure it had little to do with worrying about offending people and more to do with the fact that they want to make their favourite customer base (young heterosexual males) happy. Your suppositions that it would offend people to have an event featuring male idols/supermodels/[insert objectified ideal here] are pretty silly. I could not care even a little bit less about these female idols we're going to be dealing with again but I'd like to see some boys in a similar scenario. How is that offensive? Will women start wailing about how there's no female representation for a single event? Will heterosexual men whine about being left out because one event is not tailored to appeal to them? I think better of you folks than that. I think XIV players are rational enough to realize that a short seasonal event in a video game isn't a statement about gender equality or commentary on social issues - it's just something the devs thought would be fun to break up the monotony a bit.

I do have a personal stake in how people are represented in games. I don't like what I see in the industry overall. But this thread, and this game in general, are not good examples of the problems in the industry in my view. If anything I'm of the opinion that females are treated BETTER in this game than the guys, which is why you get loons like OP making ridiculous demands. There's inequality here but it's not in the places people usually look.

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Originally Posted by Texa

A 25% increase of all gil earned and an emote for not washing your hands after you go to the bathroom.

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/pokehornetnest

Wage gap due to sexism does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Klareh

/pokehornetnest

Wage gap due to sexism does not exist.

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Congrats on taking that seriously but not the hand washing.

Peehandssayswhat?

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Originally Posted by Rokke

A. Idols, but this time men
Male idols are a thing. A big thing. A JP based company would likely know this. Hell, even Sanrio made a boy band to complement their girl band!

https://i.imgur.com/qPwdxr1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Tkgn4sq.jpg

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Not many males love male idols. The majority of their fans are female. See Justin Biber.

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Originally Posted by Texa

Congrats on taking that seriously but not the hand washing.

Peehandssayswhat?

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I'm gonna be honest, part of my job entails cleaning the restrooms. The women's restroom is always, ALWAYS way worse compared to the rest, like if you took all the other restrooms and combined their dirtyness the womens would still be worse. Just sayin :p

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Originally Posted by Felis

Not many males love male idols. The majority of their fans are female. See Justin Biber.

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...So? It'd be a celebration of males and possibly be a source of a nice outfit made with male characters in mind. I mean, even in the Sanrio characters I used as an example the girls are a pop band and the guys are a rock band. Whatever NPCs would be involved wouldn't necessarily need to be a 1:1 of the Songbirds :P

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I'm gonna be honest, part of my job entails cleaning the restrooms. The women's restroom is always, ALWAYS way worse compared to the rest, like if you took all the other restrooms and combined their dirtyness the womens would still be worse. Just sayin :p

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All of y'all are just the gift that keeps on giving it's like all my namedays have come at once. Bless.

Actually I know what he is talking about.

It isn't just in events its patches and updates also, where it seems they don't try to give us something that is for males but give us all female stuff.

Don't believe me, the hairstyles in last patch are for girls even that short style was, the patch before that hairstyle right out of final fantasy type 0 female hairstyle ported to male.

Clothing modified from female clothing to male its out of hand and sure I could glamour it into something cool but I would like also something new looking instead of glamouring old out dated armor I have seen before.

Ladys day that doesn't bug me its that they aren't even trying to give guys anything just porting it over from girl characters idk why maybe cause community in here keeps begging for equal stuff but sorry SE don't put us guys who don't wanna dress up like girls in the same section as those guys who want that.

nothing against them but I don't cross dress.

International Mens day is Nov. 17, or 11th, around there (not that the lot would know, sadly) . Perhaps there should he a new event in that time period.

Isn't there an event for the men in Japanese culture called "Whites Day" or something (which sounds so racist to Western ears on first glance!) I realize we don't have it in-game but I don't mind.

I never knew about Little Ladies Day or the Japanese customs tied to the real holiday before I started playing this game, so it's like a little cultural excursion each time they give us new items -- like the glow sticks, I didn't understand the connotation, but read a bit more into it, and I think it's really neat.

I do think that the menfolk characters need some outfit love too. I loathe robes!

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Isn't there an event for the men in Japanese culture called "Whites Day" or something (which sounds so racist to Western ears on first glance!) I realize we don't have it in-game but I don't mind.

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"White Day", not "Whites" - basically Valentine's Day is split in two between the normal date (on which males give gifts to females) and White Day a month later where the roles are reversed. :) (At least I think it's that way around, if I'm remembering correctly.)

For game purposes, it's much simpler to have the single - and more widely familiar - event.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Isn't there an event for the men in Japanese culture called "Whites Day" or something (which sounds so racist to Western ears on first glance!) I realize we don't have it in-game but I don't mind.

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Nah, White Day (14th march) is, in a sense, the opposite of Valentines Day.
In Japan its the girls giving chocolates to the guys on Valentines Day, while they dont get anything.
On White Day its the guys turn to get gifts for the girls they recived chocolates from a month earlier. (Note here that girls will often hand out chocolates to work mates and the like, not only to their partner/crush)

So White Day is actually more about girls, I'd say - with Valentines Day in turn being more about the guys.

It feels weird to HOPE that the OP is trolling because if they actually approach\view the world this way it'd be more depressing.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

you get loons like OP making ridiculous demands.

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So I'm a loon for speaking my mind expressing my opinion on something in a public forum? K. I'm not offended that you called me a "loon" but to resort to name calling dude? Really? Really immature.

And I'm not making ridiculous demands. As most people seem to not read my post on page 1, I said "my opinion" and I also said: "I'm not saying women don't deserve praise, they have done great things just like men have".

Both Women and Men deserve praise as both genders have done great things. I just don't think SE is doing anything to celebrate guys. They didn't even include a boy's event like XI's "Feast of Swords" but they make a effort to have their yearly LLD event. Men don't have a lot of variety in gear nor glamour items either. All I'm saying is, SE should celebrate guys just like they celebrate the ladies like they did in FFXI. If saying how I feel about the obvious (imo) gender inequality in this game makes me a "loon" or a "troll" or in it for the "lulz" then so be it. I love this game to pieces but I see a obvious flaw in how they treat men compared to women.

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Originally Posted by Texa

Congrats on taking that seriously but not the hand washing.

Peehandssayswhat?

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I can't tell you HOW many people I've watched leave a restroom without washing their hands. It's disgusting! Why?? WHY?!

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Originally Posted by Usho

I just don't think SE is doing anything to celebrate guys.

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Why should they?
They are following current trends and what they think will give them good numbers. And thats about making cute stuff or events that go with it.