So muscle and booty sliders..

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

If you would like to look more like yourself (...) you would ask for more (...) customisation, and not just a butt slider

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I want to start off by saying I'm in support of more customization. We already have breast sliders anyway. There's a chance it would contribute to immersion. However, LittleSparrow's comment rings true.

I'm acceptably attractive. This type of logic comes off as a lie to justify another lie.

I can only speak for myself but I'd like my interactions with other people in this mystical world to be about something else for a change. Perhaps you don't. And that's OK. But please don't speak for all of us as if it's a fact of nature.

While again, I am in support, be honest. You don't make a thread repeatedly posting ass screenshots and call it "booty" and then pretend that this is a very regal, very noble body respect cause. Especially when your reaction to dissent is ganging up, screen-drowning and showing them the door.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I'd like the option to have a slightly larger butt, but nothing too crazy. also I think breast sliders are fine as they are, no need to give ourselves back issues.

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On this point I'd like to say that the bust size slider for Lalafell makes no sense still.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Idk if it's me but I think NPC's get better treatment when it comes to design.

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They do, they get long hairstyles (Ysayle) with alot of details, better looking faces (Alot of the ARR faces look the same) and have exclusive skin colour (Moenbryda has a skin colour that is not in the game).

We don't need a butt slider, cause lets be real, everyone who wants it would max that out. They should just edit the models to have a decent shape down there. Idk how it works, but I'm assuming that would take fewer resources than allowing people to modify it with a slider.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

We don't need a butt slider, cause lets be real, everyone who wants it would max that out. They should just edit the models to have a decent shape down there.

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I kinda agree that we don't need a slider, they really just need to add something though. Because our characters are so flat down there it's ridiculous, also speaking of male characters and flat...

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

We don't need a butt slider, cause lets be real, everyone who wants it would max that out. They should just edit the models to have a decent shape down there. Idk how it works, but I'm assuming that would take fewer resources than allowing people to modify it with a slider.

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Yup, that works for me. They also need to increase the sliders we have in-game to 200% or at least 150%. I don't have a long enough tail for my liking.

I'd like some different body types for every race. A buffer female miqo'te, thin and slender Roegadyns, broad-shouldered Midlanders, chubby Elezens.

Four different body types: "standard-" which is what we have now, chubby, muscular/broad backed, thin. This applies for both sexes too.

Only wishful thinking, I know :(

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Somethingsomethingserverstrain

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And in the meanwhile a $5 BtP MMO with considerably higher graphics quality and ~220 sliders/palettes per character (14 elements for the face with 9 sliders per, 3 general sliders and 6 movable elements for the hair at 6 sliders each, 14 body parts at 3 sliders each, 3 for musculature, etc.) can display over a hundred characters on screen at a time if the player so pleases (albeit with noticeable FPS bog) without needing to sub-divide its world whatsoever (entirely seamless). Hmm...

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

We don't need a butt slider, cause lets be real, everyone who wants it would max that out. They should just edit the models to have a decent shape down there. Idk how it works, but I'm assuming that would take fewer resources than allowing people to modify it with a slider.

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This is just your assumption. Personally I didn't really pay attention to it when making characters and what not, but if it would be there at the time, whether I'd max it or not would be based on my personal preference. And my personal preference is not "bigger is better" but "healthy proportions are better". Just like I almost never max breast sizes in games, cause they end up excessive in respect to the rest of the body (I believe that even here I didn't max it, despite the size bar not doing a lot in terms of actual change anyway), I wouldn't automatically max the buttocks size either.

On another note, even if that WAS the case, what's the problem of it going between what we have currently and that "decent shape"?! Seriously, it's not like people are asking for buttocks third the size of the whole body (and those are possible in real life...I had a teacher with such) to begin with.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

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There's always someone who has to be special and difficult. ¬¬

The general consensus seems to be that people want a booty rather than an ironing board as their behind. It just seems like a much easier fix to update every models behind to a certain level, rather than wasting even more resources on creating a slider. (Assuming that does indeed require more resources.) If they're going to update the character creation, I'd much rather they go with more face options tbh.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

There's always someone who has to be special and difficult. ¬¬

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Well, it's always better to ask for more and get less, in case you ask for less and get even less than that...Besides, generalization is a horrid tool in majority of the discussions. It shouldn't be used as an argument.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

The general consensus seems to be that people want a booty rather than an ironing board as their behind.

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Well, the least problematic option would be allowing a choice between the two. If you change the default, then those that are happy with current state of things will get pissed.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

It just seems like a much easier fix to update every models behind to a certain level, rather than wasting even more resources on creating a slider. (Assuming that does indeed require more resources.) If they're going to update the character creation, I'd much rather they go with more face options tbh.

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Honestly, that depends entirely on how the game graphics work behind the scenes. It could very well be the case of developers "using a slider" (kind of) to generate that non-slider image of the new one-of-a-kind on everyone's behind, and then just "saving" it. Alas...developers at every step seem to complain about extremely horrid engine and legacy coding that no one in their right mind would use for anything but an hour long or so indie game, let alone large MMO title...But hey, there are exceptions, right?!...

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

There's always someone who has to be special and difficult. ¬¬

The general consensus seems to be that people want a booty rather than an ironing board as their behind. It just seems like a much easier fix to update every models behind to a certain level, rather than wasting even more resources on creating a slider. (Assuming that does indeed require more resources.) If they're going to update the character creation, I'd much rather they go with more face options tbh.

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Ad homenums aside...

1. We have a breast slider.
2. One would naturally expect breast size to correlate, roughly proportionately, with butt size.
3. At present it does not, and cannot.
4. Setting a single rear size would match a single breast size. It would retain the same issue as now above or below that size that the current rear size has for breast sizes above the minimum -- to which it is basically matched.
5. A single rear size nearer to matching the center of the breast size range, given that most players set themselves around or above the middlemost breast size, would be an improvement, but in classic SE fashion, would not solve the issue.
6. Similarly, matching butt size precisely to breast size would deny some (small) form of player expression. As such, a slider may be a small improvement over automatic scaling, but it is also an objective improvement.

As with breast size in XIV already, the range for a butt slider does not need to be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Alas...developers at every step seem to complain about extremely horrid engine and legacy coding that no one in their right mind would use for anything but an hour long or so indie game, let alone large MMO title...But hey, there are exceptions, right?!...

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This. If referring to Crystal Tools and the 1.x netcode, Yoshida already used the replacement of 'all former netcode, except as was necessary to retain legacy character item and appearance information' (note that the effects of those hair color, skin color, and slider choices were not wholly retained despite this, as they did not align with the new palettes -- hence the free re-customization to accommodate the reduced character poly count and new engine shaders), as the reason ARR had to be as bare-bone as it was.
Congratulations on your upgrade: gear now fits upon the body as if a steel mesh were fit under every skirt, and balloons beneath the cut of every shirt.

If referring to Luminous, then that's just too sad for a even a retort.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Except, if referring to Crystal Tools and the 1.x netcode (...) If referring to Luminous, then that's just too sad for a even a retort.

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I'm not referring to anything technical at all. I didn't, do not and won't care about any of it. What I am referring to is strictly the argument of "system limitations", "engine limitations" and "server limitations" that Yoshida uses as excuses for saying that something cannot be done. How the actual system, engine and server works is of no relevance here at all. Only the fact that these things are used as excuses.

And I see them as that, excuses, as I do not believe them to be true in nearly any of the cases. Because, as I said, I don't believe that a company that can afford proprietary engines would be so incompetent to limit themselves at every single step (alright, that's an exaggeration) in an ongoing project.

Better to ask for an ass than to act like one. ;)

If they add it, great. If not, oh well. It's not going to kill anyone either way.

But then we'll get bootylicious Lalafell running around, and even more people crying "pedophilia" when someone decides to appreciate that fine Lalafellin booty. (Lalafells aren't children, by the way, as much as that news chaps your booty)

I'll do my part. Get ready to look at my booty.

The word of the day is booty. Pirates had the right idea all along.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

But then we'll get bootylicious Lalafell running around, and even more people crying "pedophilia" when someone decides to appreciate that fine Lalafellin booty.

I'll do my part. Get ready to look at my booty.

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If you got it, flaunt it right?

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

But then we'll get bootylicious Lalafell running around, and even more people crying "pedophilia" when someone decides to appreciate that fine Lalafellin booty. (Lalafells aren't children, by the way, as much as that news chaps your booty)

I'll do my part. Get ready to look at my booty.

The word of the day is booty. Pirates had the right idea all along.

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Lalafells could get a slider to make their whole body more plump. :D

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Originally Posted by kikix12

I'm not referring to anything technical at all. I didn't, do not and won't care about any of it. What I am referring to is strictly the argument of "system limitations", "engine limitations" and "server limitations" that Yoshida uses as excuses for saying that something cannot be done. How the actual system, engine and server works is of no relevance here at all. Only the fact that these things are used as excuses.

And I see them as that, excuses, as I do not believe them to be true in nearly any of the cases. Because, as I said, I don't believe that a company that can afford proprietary engines would be so incompetent to limit themselves at every single step (alright, that's an exaggeration) in an ongoing project.

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I'm in complete agreement: I was just pointing out it was an excuse that they'd already used that cannot possibly be reused. If things had to be delayed or barebone because they were replacing or redoing net code from scratch, as per ARR's excuse, then they can't keep reusing that same excuse of shitty netcode after having allegedly replaced it.

(Changed one word in prior post for clarity of position.)

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Lalafells could get a slider to make their whole body more plump. :D

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Can as well make lalafells become a ball. And then everyone plays football with them.

Bubble bottoms for the win!

Kupo <3 I am gonna keep it real and just say kupo <3 that with all the moving, fighting etc.. our toons..not one of them would have any huge anything...muscularity would be there but size...kupo <3 like a long distance runner and a sprinter...kupo <3 we are all long distance here lol

Don't get me wrong ...I am all for the added 'kushion' kupo <3 noimsayin kupo <3 jk

This is a necro I can support.

["Fat Bottom Girls" intensifies]