Lore Book Revelations

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Originally Posted by Belhi

One part that gave me a double take is the section where it says 'The hands of time ever stopped at 20 and 3' makes it sound like Y'shtola doesn't age anymore.

I am also curious about Yda's actual age. She arrived as a refugee in Shalayan 20 years prior after having travelled their from Ala Mhigo. Since it seems to imply she was old enough to forage, she would have to be around 30 at least.

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If I remember right, all of the former Circle members know a special magic that causes them to stop aging. They use their "deep knowledge of the world" to essentially retain their youth indefinitely (which conveniently stops SE from having to make new character models for them).

Thancred can't do that anymore, which is why he's looking closer to his actual age after his trip through the lifestream.

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Originally Posted by Shadotterdan

Regarding the topic of Light derived voidsent that was discussed a while back. I don't think a void of light would just be nothingness, but I think it would be warped to the aspects of perfection and stuff like that. I think a great example actually and what I hope one would look like is "Sea" from XI. The Aerns specifically look like malevolent angels and all the other mobs there have weird alien forms.

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At its logical extreme, the only thing that is perfect is nothing. "Pure white perfection" and how the term "erase[d]" is always used to describe what becomes of a world subjected to a Flood of Light implies it's closer to this:

http://overmental.com/wp-content/upl.../oran-rief.jpg
Minus the eldritch abominations, maybe.

... until there is nothing left. Nothingness is difficult to grasp the concept of, but that's what it sounds like to me. Al'Taieu may appear to be heavenly or "perfect," but it still exists. Not so much with what's left after a Flood of Light.

It seems like a lot of the Job histories are redundant with what is explained in game, which is kind of disappointing, but the lore behind the equipment and the various job's techniques more than makes up for it. Particularly the explanations behind the Limit Breaks. The fact that monks temporarily ascend to godhood to punch an enemy so hard they explode is pretty fantastic.

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Originally Posted by boredomisboring

This confused me as well-- as in the Garlean section, it is implied to be a part of Ilsabard but in the 'Othard' section, it states that after the advent of airship technology, this opened the metaphorical doors to the Far East, a region that had been isolated up until that point-- and that the Garleans then set their sights on Doma and Dalmasca as a result.

So if the timeline from the other section is correct, could Dalmasca have been conquered before all of Ilsabard had been claimed?

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Unfortunately, this would seem to directly refute that:

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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea, p.177, "Unifying the North"

As if to avenge every wrong ever done to them, the Garleans invaded the countries of northern Ilsabard and annexed their lands. [...] The same year [1517], the republic attacked Dalmasca, a small country nestled in the central mountains, and rained fire down upon it with their new airships.

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This practically outright says that Dalmasca is in Ilsabard's impassable mountain range. It, like the timeline, then goes on to say that Garlemald turned to Othard precisely because they had finished conquering Ilsabard. So what to make of the bit from the Othard passage? It is indeed confusingly worded, but I think it likely that the paragraph you're talking about is conflating them based on only being accessible by airship (Dalmasca because mountains, Doma because different continent). I think there's definitely more stuff supporting Dalmasca-of-Ilsabard than Dalmasca-of-Othard.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

Unfortunately, this would seem to directly refute that:

This practically outright says that Dalmasca is in Ilsabard's impassable mountain range. It, like the timeline, then goes on to say that Garlemald turned to Othard precisely because they had finished conquering Ilsabard. So what to make of the bit from the Othard passage? It is indeed confusingly worded, but I think it likely that the paragraph you're talking about is conflating them based on only being accessible by airship (Dalmasca because mountains, Doma because different continent). I think there's definitely more stuff supporting Dalmasca-of-Ilsabard than Dalmasca-of-Othard.

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Seems plausible to me. I think you may be right-- that Dalmasca is, in fact, on Ilsabard and that the passage in question is simply awkwardly written/worded. The Othard passage doesn't explicitly state that the nation lies on the continent, though it does seem to be implied--still, this contradicts the other passages.So I do feel you are probably correct with your assertion that Dalmasca is likely in Ilsabard.

The lore book has been an amazing resource for answering lore-related questions. Though, at times, it feels like it has opened up just as many questions. Still, it's fun to theorize.

White mage lore:
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1519...the-war-of-the

They tend to be pretty vague on how White Magic was abused.

does the lore book say anything about Classes (instead of Jobs)?

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Originally Posted by Yuella

does the lore book say anything about Classes (instead of Jobs)?

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Ish. The classes of Eorzea are mostly about the weapon utilized and how contemporary cultures use them. Therefore you find a chunk of class lore dispersed through mentions of the guilds, for example. The jobs, by contrast, are unique manifestations of an entire culture around that discipline; they get their own two-page spread.

The adventurers of today often turn to the highly-developed "Jobs of Eld" because of the severity of the threats to the realm, but most people still just have basic "class" (weapons) training.

While I personally prefer the notion that a light-flooded world would be utterly sterile and barren (Because life is messy and ever-changing), I do wonder if the light equivalent of a Voidsent might not be something along the lines of Kuribu?

She appears to be a living statue - meaning her very flesh is inert and unchanging. She uses light-based magics, including spells which are typically used to heal but are perverted in her hands into attacks. She may also be intended as a foil to Diabolos, given that they are the final bosses of different versions of the same place.

Also, I propose the term 'Heavensent' as a light-aspected counterpart to 'Voidsent', at least until we get something more official.

Someone talking about the lore book mentioned the explanation for why dark knights use greatswords. Can anyone with the lore book post that here by chance?

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

Someone talking about the lore book mentioned the explanation for why dark knights use greatswords. Can anyone with the lore book post that here by chance?

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http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1518...thats-fine-too

All I gather from there is that the first dark knight forsake the shield, so the greatsword might be used for its size allowit to block blows more easily

the same blogger also posted the lore on BLM, WHM, SMN, SCH, AST, PLD, WAR, DRG, and MNK. basiclay everything but the ranged melee

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

Someone talking about the lore book mentioned the explanation for why dark knights use greatswords. Can anyone with the lore book post that here by chance?

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Not posted by me:

http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1518...thats-fine-too

The worst thing is when the Lorebook raises more questions than it answers. I had previously assumed that Popokkuli and Seserukka were the adoptive sons of Fyrgeiss but apparently not so, he has three strapping Roe lads of his own! And yet the Lalafellin twins been repeatedly described as the "Sons" in Amajina & Sons even though Fyrgeiss Loetkilbysn holds the Concern's seat on the Syndicate.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

The worst thing is when the Lorebook raises more questions than it answers. I had previously assumed that Popokkuli and Seserukka were the adoptive sons of Fyrgeiss but apparently not so, he has three strapping Roe lads of his own! And yet the Lalafellin twins been repeatedly described as the "Sons" in Amajina & Sons even though Fyrgeiss Loetkilbysn holds the Concern's seat on the Syndicate.

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My guess is he acts as a representative for them. Kind of like a CEO even though he isn't the owner.

Anyway I like more questions. If we new all the answers without getting new questions we wouldn't have anything to speculate about!

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Originally Posted by Belhi

My guess is he acts as a representative for them. Kind of like a CEO even though he isn't the owner.

Anyway I like more questions. If we new all the answers without getting new questions we wouldn't have anything to speculate about!

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Yeah. At least we can be sure there will be a second lorebook.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

The worst thing is when the Lorebook raises more questions than it answers. I had previously assumed that Popokkuli and Seserukka were the adoptive sons of Fyrgeiss but apparently not so, he has three strapping Roe lads of his own! And yet the Lalafellin twins been repeatedly described as the "Sons" in Amajina & Sons even though Fyrgeiss Loetkilbysn holds the Concern's seat on the Syndicate.

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Anyone have the page on that?

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Anyone have the page on that?

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Fyrgeiss' entry is on page 134. I haven't found anything on Popokkuli and Seserukka in the book itself but they're described as the sons of A & S in the quest journal text for Wrath of Qarn.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

they're described as the sons of A & S in the quest journal text for Wrath of Qarn.

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I wonder how recently "& Sons" was added, considering Lady Amajina was 150 years ago.

I remember going on a similar search long ago to find Popokkuli and Seserukka's parents. I know their father was the guildmaster in 1.0. I know the guildmaster is not Fyrgeiss or a man in A Realm Reborn. I know their father is the chief foreman now. I know that Fyrgeiss is the chairman. I know there was some doubt over whether the Guildmaster / Chief Foreman / Chairman overlap(ped). I remember that their mother was Shalala.

I also notice that the Encyclopaedia Eorzea calls Fyrgeiss both Chairman and Chief Foreman... Unless anything from the above is mistaken, the parents should be Fyrgeiss and Shalala. However, the Fyrgeiss' entry refers only to three sons with all Roegadyn names... and no mention of Nenekko.

Something might be borked.

EDIT: AHA! Found my notes. I concluded that the boys father might be Checheroya, who was never actually mentioned, but appeared once speaking with Faustigeant. For starters, Checheroya would have to have some clout to not only speak to the guildmaster of the ALC guild, but as if they were peers. He also refers to "my boys".

Neither Checheroya nor Shalala have been mentioned in since 1.0.

Is there anything on BRD, MCH or either of the Relic sagas?

A why not? I'll throw in another question to go with the ones about Yugiri, Rowena, and the number of afterlifes (is it fourteeen or fourteen times fourteee?). Anything on the Gold Saucer? Or something about the Manderville family that we didn't know?

I wonder what it has to say about the Fourth and Sixth Astral Era histories.

Lores about Jobs (RPers freaking out about limited amount should be happier):
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1520...-and-when-soul

poor Limsa doesn't have a job crystal originated there

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

I wonder what it has to say about the Fourth and Sixth Astral Era histories.

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Anything you wanna know in particular?

The 6th Astral gets a massive, 11-page writeup (basically a summary of 1.x), and then also a detailed, 7-page timeline. The 4th Astral gets a few paragraphs - basically, it was a sort of Dark Ages, where technology and science were shunned (with Allag being taught as a cautionary myth, hence the later assumption that it was naught more than a metaphor for hubris as opposed to a real civilization). The Eorzean alphabet originated here as a means to restrict information flow to the clergy, keeping the population illiterate.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

Anything you wanna know in particular?

The 6th Astral gets a massive, 11-page writeup (basically a summary of 1.x), and then also a detailed, 7-page timeline. The 4th Astral gets a few paragraphs - basically, it was a sort of Dark Ages, where technology and science were shunned (with Allag being taught as a cautionary myth, hence the later assumption that it was naught more than a metaphor for hubris as opposed to a real civilization). The Eorzean alphabet originated here as a means to restrict information flow to the clergy, keeping the population illiterate.

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Do they give anything on how long Umbral eras usually last?

Is there any info on the fairy that appears when using angel feathers(sch lb3). I am curious since I haven't seen a quest reference her.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

Do they give anything on how long Umbral eras usually last?

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The First Umbral Era section, which introduces the idea of Astral and Umbral Eras, describes the latter as "short, yet harrowing"; the Second Umbral era is the most specific, saying that lightning razed the land "for a full twelvemoon and a day" (although it's a bit hard to tell if that's the whole of the Era, or just the duration of its Calamity). For the most part, the other Umbral Eras are described in broad terms like "moons" and "years".

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Originally Posted by D-Gold

Is there any info on the fairy that appears when using angel feathers(sch lb3). I am curious since I haven't seen a quest reference her.

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Actually, the section for each Job details their LB3 as one of their Tricks of the Trade. Scholar's seems to indicate that it's just the usual faerie that executes LB3. From the book:

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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea, p.237, "Tricks of the Trade"

Angel Feathers
"The faerie spread her angelic wings, and a shimmering light exploded over the battlefield. As it washed over me, I felt my pain subside, and where I had thought myself fatally broken, I was whole again."
- Anonymous adventurer describing the healing power of a scholar's faerie companion

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Originally Posted by Writer

Lores about Jobs (RPers freaking out about limited amount should be happier):
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1520...-and-when-soul

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This really sounds like the lore explanation for the inevitable and sad removement of base classes.

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Originally Posted by Writer

Lores about Jobs (RPers freaking out about limited amount should be happier):
http://amdapori.tumblr.com/post/1520...-and-when-soul

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Originally Posted by Balipu

This really sounds like the lore explanation for the inevitable and sad removement of base classes.

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On the one hand, stuff like Gridania further studying the potential for wider spread use of Bard's Warsongs was already established within the game's story...

But then, no lore on any of the classes? At all? That is...worrisome.

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

But then, no lore on any of the classes? At all? That is...worrisome.

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Well, the areas where the guilds are located are detailed in the section on each city, and the guild leaders all get write ups as well, and between the two some background info and origins of each Class is present. So it's not like there's nothing, they just don't get their own special multi-page section.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

Well, the areas where the guilds are located are detailed in the section on each city, and the guild leaders all get write ups as well, and between the two some background info and origins of each Class is present. So it's not like there's nothing, they just don't get their own special multi-page section.

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And, I mean, when you sign up you get a very long and detailed explanation of the art and it's origins already...

I would have loved to learn more about how Amdapori WHM had magic that "alter the very fabric of existence." It's now known is that were active aggressors in the war to the point where they subjugated other cities, too. But other than advanced golem ala Balipu, not much else

How old are Kan-E-Senna? I think i calculated it to be at least 50 years old.

Zurvan's beast tribes are centaurs. I wonder if they're related to the centaurs we fight in PotD and Gubal? If so, I do find it interesting how Sephirot's and Zurvan's tribes are in PotD

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Originally Posted by myahele

Zurvan's beast tribes are centaurs. I wonder if they're related to the centaurs we fight in PotD and Gubal? If so, I do find it interesting how Sephirot's and Zurvan's tribes are in PotD

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Those Centaurs appear to be mechanical; in the Antitower they are around other mechanized guardians and frozen on pedestals before we reactivate them (I don't remember any in Gubal...), PoTD...IDK really, there's things in there that don't really make sense anyway

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Originally Posted by MysticSpirit

How old are Kan-E-Senna? I think i calculated it to be at least 50 years old.

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A bit off, I'm afraid - she's 28.

i'm tempted to get that 200 GBP buy it now book on ebay

edit: i bought it. lol.

I was thinking about buying it as well, but decided against it. I think I'll ask a friend to buy it for me and then send it over (of course I'd pay them back. Might even pay them enough so they could buy a book of their own). Much cheaper that way.

I based my assumption on her age by "1542 --- Toto-Rak sealed by Elder Seedseer." link. Well either that is approx 35 years ago, and I thought it was Kan-E-Senna who did it. But if she is 28 then it cannot be her sealing Toto-rak. Else she won't tell her true age :P

I just want to add my small slice of fanon here - because the Encyclopedia Eorzea contains information that by all rights should be extremely exclusive knowledge (the existence of the primal Phoenix, the true origin of the Void, etc.) but is also a towering work of scholarship that must have taken an immense amount of time to compile, there can really only be one author - Rammbroes Zasertylsyn, who as a founding member of the Circle of Knowing would be party to such secrets but as now a member of the Sons of Saint Coinach would have the time to actually write it all up.

The book was probably meant for publication exclusively within Sharlayan, copies were not meant to make their way to Eorzea itself.