We're getting stat allocation back in 1.20, right?

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Originally Posted by Visch

If by "change towards my style of play" you mean "bad at the game".

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Only if only one build is effective. Even with min/maxing that is not always the case.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Only if only one build is effective. Even with min/maxing that is not always the case.

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And if there's no room for variance within a build, which I don't see being the case either. Each class/role will have what is a generally accepted "Optimal" build but that doesn't mean there isn't room for some deviation dependent on play style.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

And if there's no room for variance within a build, which I don't see being the case either. Each class/role will have what is a generally accepted "Optimal" build but that doesn't mean there isn't room for some deviation dependent on play style.

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I dont build my character to bend to the will of other players.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I dont build my character to bend to the will of other players.

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And I don't invite people that don't respect what other people think. Compromises are kind of mandatory to get anywhere in the society.

I'm sure you'll get far.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

And I don't invite people that don't respect what other people think. Compromises are kind of mandatory to get anywhere in the society.

I'm sure you'll get far.

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I'm glad I'm not on your server or have an elitist ls then :3

Also RL is irrelevant.

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I'm glad I'm not on your server or have an elitist ls then :3

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You're not going to get far if you don't respect anyone's opinion but yours. Expecting you to make compromises would be certainly quite elitist.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Also RL is irrelevant.

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Sure, it's not like the same rules would apply here. We're only dealing with human beings after all.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

You're not going to get far if you don't respect anyone's opinion but yours. Expecting you to make compromises would be certainly quite elitist.



Sure, it's not like the same rules would apply here. We're only dealing with human beings after all.

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It is a game. My character is MY own. What is the point of having your own character if you can't build it to the way that pleases you? It doesn't make sense. I am not one to conform to others. Also, I'm not some idiot who just puts stats anywhere. Obviously I would build thuamaturge towards int and conjurer towards mnd and not add things like str and dex for a mage build.

Also if I dont want to deal with said people or if said people dont want to deal with me, I dont care I'm not going to cry in a corner. I dont do endgame with anyone other than my ls anyways.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

It is a game. My character is MY own.

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It's your life and you do whatever you want with it. Usually you'll get better results if you don't act all selfish all the time though.

It is a game where you play with other people and need them to progress forward. To think that just because all you see are 3D characters people would simply deal with you playing however you want without consequences would be quite shocking. That doesn't work in real life, why would it work here? Just because you can't see these people? They are real, believe me.

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What is the point of having your own character if you can't build it to the way that pleases you?

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This is only a concern when the way you build your character affects others as well. You can be a goth or a hippie or a nerd but if you suddenly decide to not follow the norms of the society you'll get shit for it. People simply aren't going to bother dealing with you. Here you expect them to do so, when they have no reason to.

You'll be forever restricted to the small group of people being capable of dealing with your kind, so yeah- better not bitch about it when somebody doesn't accept you to his or her group. You had it coming.

Well as long as I'm able to play my role effectively why should it matter? Shoot, I can pretty much heal during Ifrit hard mode wearing nothing but a pumpkin head and swmisuit. When I'm not being silly, I use a Felt Robe (green) while healing instead of the red robe that has 6 mnd. Am I gimp for losing out on ONE healing potency? I dont think so.

Your definition of "effectively" may be different from others'. Just like what melee RDM's used to say back in XI, that they can do their job "effectively" when all of them became shit at their job just so they could play as unique butterflies, without an exception.

If you aren't willing to bend for others don't expect others to bend for you either.

I dont expect others to bend to me.

So you want to play an MMO alone then. Gotcha.

Except I dont play alone, so your comment is moot.

Yeah, you play with people who bend to your will. Once the mechanics and balance has been established, those people will be a dime in a dozen. You'll end up bitching about nobody accepting you with your LS and then you can all be miserable together.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Yeah, you play with people who bend to your will. Once the mechanics and balance has been established, those people will be a dime in a dozen. You'll end up bitching about nobody accepting you with your LS and then you can all be miserable together.

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You say that is if you know my ls so well.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

You say that is if you know my ls so well.

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I don't care really. Just don't bring it to the forums when it happens so I can avoid having an aneurysm.

The fact is that the society will establish general norms sooner than later. If you can't follow them, you are an outcast and so will be everyone else that thinks the same way as you do. You'll probably find each other in the long run though. But to think that regardless of if this is a game or not the people playing it won't establish the same kind of norms as in real life would be far-fetched. People make this game as much as the mechanics behind it.

Reminds me of this one forum poster that was very active during the early days. Can't remember her name though.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I don't care really. Just don't bring it to the forums when it happens so I can avoid having an aneurysm.

The fact is that the society will establish general norms sooner than later. If you can't follow them, you are an outcast and so will be everyone else that thinks the same way as you do. You'll probably find each other in the long run though. But to think that regardless of if this is a game or not the people playing it won't establish the same kind of norms as in real life would be far-fetched. People make this game as much as the mechanics behind it.

Reminds me of this one forum poster that was very active during the early days. Can't remember her name though.

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lolnorms. Also I dont whine about my problems in this cesspool.

Also people have diiferent ideas on what is "optimal" as you would say. So someone thinks stacking a ton of int is optimal. That's fine. I might think stacking int and pie is optimal. You can't force people into a single play style.

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Originally Posted by elreed

Oh and you said that im 20 con and 36 thm you dont need to be 50 to know a thing or two of a class....

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ost people don't no. But you do, you were talking nonesense about the mage classes. You appeared to have no idea what MND/INT did for them. That was clear.

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Originally Posted by elreed

so who needs now some money to buy a clue? ill send you some money lmao.

Thanks bayohne you owned him, lmao...

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And then this ^^ my favorite part. He confirmed that I was correct, that stat allotment adjustment per class was returning.
So why the foolish comment, showing you were confirmed wrong by the devs?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Also people have diiferent ideas on what is "optimal" as you would say. So someone thinks stacking a ton of int is optimal. That's fine. I might think stacking int and pie is optimal. You can't force people into a single play style.

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There will be a general norm for what is considered optimal. If you fail to meet that criteria, you fail to meet the norms set by the general society. Society can, effectively, force you to act the way they want unless you want to be outside said society because they won't accept you otherwise. It's a tradeoff as clear as it can get.

Anyway, phones are just phones too. It's okay to be rude when talking to someone on the phone as well. I'm sure they understand. It's your phone and merely an object after all. lolnorms of being polite and compromising. I don't want to meet you in real life.

You're assuming you know how I talk to people on the phone?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

in this cesspool.

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Although I absolutely agree, you play your way, you should have the right to build your character as you wish. You make comments like

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

CON = BLM
THM = WHM

I'll be expecting 1 mil from those who say otherwise once this comes to fruition

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You interject randomly like this, then back peddle and expect to be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Although I absolutely agree, you play your way, you should have the right to build your character as you wish. You make comments like



You interject randomly like this, then back peddle and expect to be taken seriously.

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except I wasn't being entirely serious with that post. Even I can make fun with speculation.

Oh, if you have some greater definition for a phone then please do share. They are just objects, you can't even see the people you're talking to. Why should you bend to the will of people talking to you or do anything they want you to do? Be an anarchist and screw everyone like you do in-game, since the people there somehow don't mean anything compared to 'real life'. In-game, "everyone is your bitch".

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Oh, if you have some greater definition for a phone then please do share. They are just objects, you can't even see the people you're talking to. Why should you bend to the will of people talking to you or do anything they want you to do? Be an anarchist and screw everyone like you do in-game, since the people there somehow don't mean anything compared to 'real life'. In-game, "everyone is your bitch".

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Now you're assuming you know how I treat people in game? O_o

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Now you're assuming you know how I treat people in game? O_o

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I know you don't give a damn about what they think while making choices that affect them and not just you. That's pretty much all I need to know really.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Yep, it will be possible to manually distribute attribute points in 1.20. It'll be possible to allocate attribute points manually once you're above a certain level, but since there were balance adjustments made in 1.19, you will not be able to allocate as many points as in the past.

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This post seems to indicate that at least for awhile the stats will be automated. So does that mean we can continue to let the system automate for us? I don't wish to refine myself to a fine point. Plus someone will just complain if i'm not stated to their desires anyways. I don't really see why the automated/manual system can't co-exist side by side. Some of us like to manual allocate stats, others (like myself) strongly dislike it. Why not cater to everyone? You love to do that it seems.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I know you don't give a damn about what they think while making choices that affect them and not just you. That's pretty much all I need to know really.

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And that is where you couldn't be more wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

This post seems to indicate that at least for awhile the stats will be automated. So does that mean we can continue to let the system automate for us? I don't wish to refine myself to a fine point. Plus someone will just complain if i'm not stated to their desires anyways. I don't really see why the automated/manual system can't co-exist side by side. Some of us like to manual allocate stats, others (like myself) strongly dislike it. Why not cater to everyone? You love to do that it seems.

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They will be automated and you will have the option to allocate additional stats as well, you just wont have as many points to allot as before.

Your actions yell to me- I can't hear what you're saying!

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I dont build my character to bend to the will of other players.

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Translation:
"I don't give a damn about what other people think while making choices that affect them and not just me."

You couldn't have said it more clearer than this really.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Your actions yell to me- I can't hear what you're saying!



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"I don't give a damn about what other people think while making choices that affect them and not just me."

You couldn't have said it more clearer than this really.

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Your assumption that my "bad choices" are affecting them is what is wrong.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Your assumption that my "bad choices" are affecting them is what is wrong.

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Will your efficiency change due to the result of your decisions? It will. You even admitted it yourself. Then belittled the general opinion of what is considered "doing your job". Which basically means doing everything in your power to perform as efficiently as you possibly can. That's what people expect from each other and themselves. To pull their weight and not be a hindrance. To respect everyone else's 12,95€/$.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Will your efficiency change due to the result of your decisions? It will. You even admitted it yourself. Then belittled the general opinion of what is considered "doing your job". Which basically means doing everything in your power to perform as efficiently as you possibly can. That's what people expect from each other and themselves. To pull their weight and not be a hindrance.

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You are now assuming you know what my decisions will be in the future.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

You are now assuming you know what my decisions will be in the future.

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The only thing I am assuming is that you give no thought into what other people think when considering said decisions. Which you even admitted yourself, and provided an example to basically prove what I said to be true.

No assumptions here. Just describing what's in front of me.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

The only thing I am assuming is that you give no thought into what other people think when considering said decisions. Which you even admitted yourself, and provided an example to basically prove what I said to be true.

No assumptions here. Just describing what's in front of me.

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Um, no you are assuming. I do take into consideration what my ls suggests. We then discuss such things. We then test such things. We then find what is optimal to us. As I said, I play my roles efficiently. I have had no complaints. And until I hear otherwise, I will continue to play with the freedom that I have.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Um, no you are assuming. I do take into consideration what my ls suggests. We then discuss such things. We then test such things. We then find what is optimal to us. As I said, I play my roles efficiently. I have had no complaints. And until I hear otherwise, I will continue to play with the freedom that I have.

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You do have freedom to a degree, no matter what there are hard facts about stats and what a certain class needs to fulfill their role. The game is restricting you to a certain set of things either way, which you discover through your testing. There is a degree of variance yes but certain builds just need certain stats. True you don't have to follow someone else's build point for point but you do have to stay within certain parameters to be effective.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Um, no you are assuming. I do take into consideration what my ls suggests. We then discuss such things. We then test such things. We then find what is optimal to us. As I said, I play my roles efficiently. I have had no complaints. And until I hear otherwise, I will continue to play with the freedom that I have.

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You've got the right attitude, don't let these others let you down. That's what I hated beyond description about the XI community and their need to control every little thing everyone did, not accepting to even TRY new ways of fighting or job combos because they were not the proven most efficient ones. It might have saved some time but at the same time you have to wonder what was lost.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

You've got the right attitude, don't let these others let you down. That's what I hated beyond description about the XI community and their need to control every little thing everyone did, not accepting to even TRY new ways of fighting or job combos because they were not the proven most efficient ones. It might have saved some time but at the same time you have to wonder what was lost.

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Thank you! I'm glad I have a group of friends that are open minded and not afraid to try different things.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Will your efficiency change due to the result of your decisions? It will. You even admitted it yourself. Then belittled the general opinion of what is considered "doing your job". Which basically means doing everything in your power to perform as efficiently as you possibly can. That's what people expect from each other and themselves. To pull their weight and not be a hindrance. To respect everyone else's 12,95€/$.

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Oh no, it's gonna take us 5 seconds more to defeat ifrit because somebody is gimped, lets ostracize that person!

Seriously dude, it's a game, I'm sure even if someone puts their points in somewhat different stats it won't affect their play that much. They'll still be able to do their job even if it takes slightly longer. If it affects them so much that they can't do their job, it's bad game design. You shouldn't have to look at any guide that's not in-game to play the game effectively, or the game is fail.

Also what's the point of stat allocation if everyone has to conform to the optimal build? Why not just make it automatic? I look forward to stat allocation to try different things ( Gladiator DD? Physical Conjurer? Really hope they let us reallocate whenever we want so I can try this stuff:D)

It's not the first time have mentined it...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...396#post141396

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Attribute and element points will be abolished, and character development will be automated based on class level. A system whereby players can voluntarily allocate attribute points to each class will be implemented in patch 1.20 or later, along with class balance adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

You've got the right attitude, don't let these others let you down. That's what I hated beyond description about the XI community

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You mean the MMORPG community. I've yet to encounter people that got on my case for "trying something different", then again I've only ever been in 2 end-game NA linkshells, so maybe it's cultural.

For example how from what I hear western players expect CORs to go COR/WHM for events but not COR/(WAR/RNG/SAM), if you're talking about stuff like that, people do that in every single MMO, even more so in MMOs that have proper build support, because they'll expect you to be suited towards x,y,z situations.