[NA] Ifrit Bleeds, We Can Kill It (Hyper): COMPLETE

That's true, but Follow Through's between double Victimize CD totals to about 600dmg at least, so it's about even.

Baum Rorschach of Rabanastre and his shell, Avalon/No Plan, have taken out Ifrit~

Might be world 3rd? I haven't been following JP shells' progress.

Bow drop, HNNNNNG.

Seems like more shells picking up on this. Just saw Fuji Mountain from FUJIYAMA on Lindblum got the Bow.

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/.../ifritkill.jpg

Lol, notice how important Archers are.

Poor Archer

Have any of you noticed any benefit to using manaflight (magic resist) materia for the Ifrit fight?

Zdenka I have a question about Lancer weapons and maybe you have the answer. I have been debating for a while now which weapon to use and to put materia in.

Champions Lance: Base Damage 133 Attack+23
Hart Guisarme: Base Damage 135 Attack+15

The guisarme has 2 more base damage, but 8 less attack. If I equip them, with Champions Lance I have 504 Attack, with Hart Guisarme 496. The difference comes from the higher Attack+ value on Champion's Lance.

So my question is, where does the extra 2 base damage from Hart Guisarme come in. @.@?

From my observation earlier 1 attack = 2 damage, 1 DMG = 8-9 damage therefor 1 DMG = 4 attack or so.

8 attack vs 2 damage = SAME

I think the Hart would perform better though, I think DMG has more profound effect than I just stated however such as raising doing what STR and Attack both do at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

I think DMG has more profound effect than I just stated however such as raising doing what STR and Attack both do at the same time.

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Judging from my NQ and HQ bhujs, the DMG stat does seem more important somehow, but I can't really say for sure since I've since melded materia into my various axes so I don't have a control anymore.

lol wiped at about 2%, one chaos thrust from winning :3 So close

Congrats to Semper Fidelis of Rabanastre for their first kill!

Kill #30, over the hill. Battleaxe drops to my R33 MRD :D

Lance Dropped.

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...6df1007982.jpg

151 damage 3.8 delay

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you must be new here.

It was 5 days, 20 hours a day spread over roughly 150 attempts.

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u guys dont go to school or work? :x

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Baum Rorschach of Rabanastre and his shell, Avalon/No Plan, have taken out Ifrit~

Might be world 3rd? I haven't been following JP shells' progress.

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its harder to follow jp progress cause they dont announce their wins everytime they do something :d

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u guys dont go to school or work? :x

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A lot of us either work at home, are on vacation, or don't work at all. Many working/college-going members also get very little sleep.

Whoever said taking all four nails out stopped hellfire was wrong. Kill one nail take 1100ish with sentinel, kill all 4 take 700 with sentinel.

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Lance Dropped.

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...6df1007982.jpg

151 damage 3.8 delay

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Hmm its not 154? thought I saw that somewhere. That means a +3 Hart Guisarme with 1 attack materia (or STR materia) is better.

+2 is 145? Needs only a 25+ attack materia to be better or so, +30 garuntee equal or better. I think it falls in line with SE"s plan tho.

CONGRATULATIONS FIRST BLACK PLAYER TO BEAT IFRIT

MIOKO LOCKHEART

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CONGRATULATIONS FIRST BLACK PLAYER TO BEAT IFRIT

MIOKO LOCKHEART

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Zvystryl Zvlaynezse has got you beat, bro.

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Zvystryl Zvlaynezse has got you beat, bro.

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thanks for letting me know. he's going to be very disappointed.

Is sentinel II really "REQUIRE" to survive hellfire?

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Ok, sorry peng for late posts but I can't post at work and we were into Ifrit so...

Last night I did these swaps:

+27 STR
+50 Crit Attack
-4 Attack

We started right away so I couldn't get a 2nd spear to test lots lower attack power but here's my notes:

-Crit Attack is NOT bonus damage to criticals. It is Critical Attack RATE... the materia is misleading... so there goes my idea of reaching 1100 Doomspikes because it was banking on that, oh well.

-4 attack lower (maybe 5 if I lost one off food) DID lower my top end Doomspikes by around 10. I no longer did upper 860s/lower 870s but mostly upper 850s/lower860s (862 high compared to 874 before) This is in line with my 1 attack = 2 damage on top end WS.

-27 STR did NOT increase top end damage, my theory about it I'll type after this. Most likely it increases bottom end damage (average damage) heres my screenshot of last night: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9...1010080221.png

As you see, me stacking on STR gave me a very high low doomspike end, and a very good average.

Theory about STR/ATK:

Attack raises top end spectrum, and STR raises bottom end of the spectrum.

Example, lets say the game RNG's every hit 1-10 at the start, if you averaged out 10 hits you would do 50 damage (10+9+8...)

Adding some STR would change the range to 3-10, with 10 hits you would average 58 damage, but your highest hit will still be 10.

Now lets do attack, lets say adding attack would change it to 1-12, and averaging the 10 hits would be maybe 55-60, and it will let you see a higher # (12) but you still will get the very small numbers.

Theoretically you could add enough STR to this to make the range 10-10, but I doubt they made that possible so its most likely they are on a curve. The more STR you add, the less valuable it becomes (lower rate as you progress) but as you add more attack it fixes the curve making STR more valuable again.

This also means that attack then raises BOTH the top and bottom ends. By raising the top and fixing the curve, your current STR becomes more valuable thus raising the bottom along with it.

This means Attack > STR but at some point STR > ATK. This makes it so neither is better all the time, but typically Attack should edge out STR.

Thats my theory of what I've seen so far, and obviously this is a very crude example in an attempt to explain it though maybe it will help you come up with a more correct version at some point in time and it only explains the relationship between str and atk ignoring all other factors.

Knowledge is power!

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Thanks for the testing greatly appreciated + 1 to you good sir.

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Is sentinel II really "REQUIRE" to survive hellfire?

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no, sentinel 1 is fine

Grats guys and no one better tell me this method. I have my own and I don't want to know..lol.. More fun that way. :)

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Is sentinel II really "REQUIRE" to survive hellfire?

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There is no such thing as sentinel II, I really wish there was.

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Is sentinel II really "REQUIRE" to survive hellfire?

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No. There are multiple ways to survive Hellfire. Sentinel is just the most reliable.

This fight is amazingly hard I love it. Though must of the difficulty results in not being able to move when doing a weaponskill or casting and then having eruption explode you. ; ;

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This fight is amazingly hard I love it. Though must of the difficulty results in not being able to move when doing a weaponskill or casting and then having eruption explode you. ; ;

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It is really just a waiting game. For DDs I find the best method is to just do light damage to ifrit and build my TP to 3000, then when the eruption happens I move out of the way and then buff up so i can immediately do a weaponskill once there is an opening. If invigorate is up and I am confident I can get the 3000 tp back within the next few seconds I will throw out another weapon skill. Doing this I can avoid eruption upwards of 90%, and the times I do get hit is when I am being stupid and trying to take a risk by throwing out that one last weapon skill when I know it could use eruption at any moment. Obviously this is much more difficult for mages, and it slows down damage quite a bit compared to just trying to burn it down as quickly as possible, but if everyone in the party is more than likely going to die trying to that damage then it doesnt matter all that much anyways.

Yeah we have it down to waiting for eruption although there are some slip ups sometimes lol. All in all I'm loving this, and can't wait for the next primal~

We're also able to get past hellfire, and we're getting better at grouping up after it happens now. Our best try was getting him to about 15%

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No. There are multiple ways to survive Hellfire. Sentinel is just the most reliable.

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Also, will fire veil iv materia help with the fight?

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Is sentinel I* really "REQUIRE" to survive hellfire?

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No, you can stop Hellfire from going off by sticking Pacification on Ifrit, or you can kill more than one of the nails in Phase 4 to lower the damage, etc. It's not REQUIRED, but it's probably the easiest and most mana/time/Ifrit DPS-efficient way.

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Also, will fire veil iv materia help with the fight?

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Fire Veil really doesn't do a whole lot, but every little bit helps I suppose. I believe the damage cut is 1:1, so if you've got a ridiculously high Fire Veil it would be nice. But really you're better off getting your party to the point where they just don't get hit by sear all the time, and are able to dodge the abilities.

Welp beat it 1st attempt today, PUG weapon tosomeone w/o PUG hurray!

Congrats on overcoming multiple clunky game bugs/mechanics to kill a fairly straightforward boss.

It's just a shame that this fight is more about figuring out how to make the awful game not cock block you from actually fighting the boss and enjoying the mechanics of the fight.

Killed ifrit, all he did was use earthquake move on mages every time he could -_-

Any updates? Would love to hear your tips and tricks. :)

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Any updates? Would love to hear your tips and tricks. :)

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placeholder strats for the time being. we'll have a pretty large surprise/update in store for the end of November so look forward to seeing some cool stuff then ^^

http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/p/strats

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Any updates? Would love to hear your tips and tricks. :)

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Well, once you're got the basic battle down, you can do more advanced stuff like punishing barbs when he does hellfire in order to get that extra bit of damage.

That's kind of hard for some people to do, however, so this might be a better solution:

When Ifrit is down to his last 5% or so, all the DDs might as well just stand where the tank is and pop punishing barbs since the Ifrit's AOE cleave will hit all of you, as well as the AOE sear, and Incinerate, etc.

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Well, once you're got the basic battle down, you can do more advanced stuff like punishing barbs when he does hellfire in order to get that extra bit of damage.

That's kind of hard for some people to do, however, so this might be a better solution:

When Ifrit is down to his last 5% or so, all the DDs might as well just stand where the tank is and pop punishing barbs since the Ifrit's AOE cleave will hit all of you, as well as the AOE sear, and Incinerate, etc.

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That sounds much more dangerous and unnecessary than just having two LNCs pop Chaos Thrust. Anyways, shouldn't be incredibly difficult to make a Sentinel/Punishing Barbs/Quickstride macro and hit it at the right time.

Little things that make the fight go faster or smoother:

- Sentinel any time before nails pop for more DPS uptime
- Tank or lowest-DPS melee performing Comrade in Arms II to increase everyone's DPS
- Slow rotation on Ifrit if you have 3 or more mages
- Pre-buffing WSs during Crimson Cyclone
- Buffing everyone, eating food, etc., before entering the Bowl and engaging immediately upon loading in

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- Tank or lowest-DPS melee performing Comrade in Arms II to increase everyone's DPS

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I have no idea why I didn't think of this ability before when I was searching to fill my last tank action slot. Thanks.