I'm a male healer and I don't want to dress like a girl

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I'm sorry, this is the FFXIV forums, is it not? This isn't the Red Pill Reddit sewer, right?

The level of insecurity is...not of this world.

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Have a look:

http://i.imgur.com/hHmE2SR.png

It's not about insecurity or putting down girls. It's about wanting to dress a male character like a man in a role that is stereotypically thought to be a "women's role" in RPGs. Unfortunately SE didn't get the memo where it says both genders play all roles, and they keep designing only masculine tank gear and feminine healer gear. Thankfully dps gear has a lot of variety in that regard.

Here's another group: men (and women) who don't give a rat's a$$, are secure in their identity, and don't need a video game to reinforce this through tired stereotypical tropes that appeal only to dudebros who never mentally graduated from 8th grade.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Here's another group: men (and women) who don't give a rat's a$$, are secure in their identity, and don't need a video game to reinforce this through tired stereotypical tropes that appeal only to dudebros who never mentally graduated from 8th grade.

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Which is very true, but it doesn't change the fact that there's very little variation in healer (and caster) gear. If nine out of ten outfits given to that role is a robe, a lot of people are going to get tired of it sooner or later. The robes might look very different from each other, but a robe is still a robe ^^;

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Here's another group: men (and women) who don't give a rat's a$$, are secure in their identity, and don't need a video game to reinforce this through tired stereotypical tropes that appeal only to dudebros who never mentally graduated from 8th grade.

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I'm very secure. IRL I'm a gay guy with extremely "feminine", some would say, mannerisms. However I enjoy dressing in the sterotypical "male" outfits, because they're aesthetically pleasing to me. BTW you're stereotyping people with this comment. Lol

The problem isn't with the actual topic ("I'm sick of robes and don't like how they look") but with the way it was phrased ("I want my man to look like a real man and not like a girl"). They're both the same thing in this case but one is expressed in a respectful, neutral way and the other builds on a load of tired insecure put-downs that female players hear over and over and over again in the background whenever they attempt to play games until someone loses their temper and speaks up.

I think most of us agree at this point that we want more variety in healer attire and in the absence of any official response things are getting more heated. I love robes on my male character and even I'd like a few alternatives, or at least different models for healer and caster gear that aren't just white for healing/black for explosions by default. More coats, please.

I like traps though.







Wait.

Just play Lalafell everything looks like a dress on you anyways. :DDD

But the new heal equip doesnt even fit male lalas. :(
200 Astro hat on any male = ... :(

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Originally Posted by Leep

I like traps though.







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My current gear is trap enough...

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Originally Posted by Eul

My current gear is trap enough...

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Originally Posted by Leep

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There's no image lol

Finally a game I can play where they aren't afraid to put guys in pretty outfits and robes and this kind of topic pops up... I really hope SE doesn't take this the wrong way and implement gendered gear. I really like the fact that a good amount of the outfits look almost identical on male and female characters. It's nice because it breaks a lot of stereotypes and doesn't force men and women to look different. I can dress as feminine or masculine as I want no matter who my character is.

I'm okay with adding more variety but not if it means "Men = coats and pants. Women = Robes". if guys are going to get non robe options that piece of armor should look identical on women and vice versa.

Just a bit of info, The always thing i made mention about wasn't a commercial. It was an AD Promotion to their "like a girl" campain the big boss lady was hosting to help raise awareness to how demeaning the phrase is, by showcasing what boys, teen boys , teen girls felt "like a girl" meant as well as showcsasing girls showing they are not weak. It was to help raise self esteem cuz with social media being so prominate a preteen and early teen of a girls life is more hectic with more insecurity because the whole world is watching you now a days. I just made mention he may weant to revamp the title nothing more, nor did i say as such out of offence.

With a lil creativety you can use any peice of gear you can as glamor to make just about any look you want. not all mage onoly gear are robes or long robes. You also have tons of glam only stuff, GC attier, hunt glamor plus gold saucer stuff.

I'm all for more options as i said so before, but im also saying acting like their are 0 options isn't cool and kinda insulting.

with current options i can make my lalafell look anyway i like from battle warrior to a goth lolita ass kicker, to a macho healer. And both me and my character are women.

Simple put i can make my lalafell look as feminine or as masculine as cute or as bad ass as i want with what we have now. For me more options would be more options.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I'm sorry, this is the FFXIV forums, is it not? This isn't the Red Pill Reddit sewer, right?

The level of insecurity is...not of this world.

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this was soo out of left field who is being insecure?

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

this was soo out of left field who is being insecure?

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Reading over, it's so fucking hypocritical.

"I want to wear clothes that are deemed "the norm" for males".

"YOU DON'T LIKE OUR SNOWFLAKE OPINION OF CLOTHES? YOU ARE JUST A DUDEBRO WHO'S INSECURE".

.... or they want to wear normal clothes. It's funny clothes trigger these people.

I'm a male healer and I'm gay.

Glamor is there for a reason. Not all whm gear looks girly to me, its actually quite nice looking. Very gender neutral imo. I play guys in mmos though because I got tired of the "feminine" gear being all of some string and 2 pieces of plate. I thought this game would be the same back in 1.0 but thankfully its not (all the time anyway) and is quite equal with its gear. So if you want something other than robes, which is traditional for mages AND normal attire for males in general in fantasy worldwide, simply glamour it. There's tons of gear out there to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Aamalthea

Glamor is there for a reason. Not all whm gear looks girly to me, its actually quite nice looking. Very gender neutral imo. I play guys in mmos though because I got tired of the "feminine" gear being all of some string and 2 pieces of plate. I thought this game would be the same back in 1.0 but thankfully its not (all the time anyway) and is quite equal with its gear. So if you want something other than robes, which is traditional for mages AND normal attire for males in general in fantasy worldwide, simply glamour it. There's tons of gear out there to choose from.

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Well put :)

I think this just boils down to giving healers a few more options besides full robes. Even some more half-robes would be better. I'd take some pants instead of it always being a skirt. I usually glamour a bliaud with a short skirt or tights, but I'm female and I'm not sure that bliauds look good on males. I'd say offer more glamour stuff with pants, but my armory/inventory/retainer can't handle it at the moment.

High allagan looks really good and is more like a both gender gear

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Originally Posted by bradsta

I'm a male healer and I'm gay.

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I... fail to see what this has to do with the topic of "too many robes for healers and casters" O.o It's about clothes, not sexuality.

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Originally Posted by Farah

I usually glamour a bliaud with a short skirt or tights, but I'm female and I'm not sure that bliauds look good on males.

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I think it look very good on males

http://i.imgur.com/egDyaLz.jpg

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