Company Seals for your own chocobo THATS IT?!

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Originally Posted by Mushy

Might as well make Quickstride last forever and call it a day

SHIT

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Omg Mushy, please STFU.

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Originally Posted by Nilheim

Let's say I'm a new FFXIV player, I want my personal chocobo, what are the steps?

1. Level to 25
2. Join a Grand Company by doing a quest
3. Rise to the rank of member (that's probably going to be at least one quest as well)
4. Accumulate seals by doing a lot of Caravan escorts or by doing the rank 25 raid (that takes hours if you don't know anyone)
(5. Do a quest that's about Chocobos, we don't know anything yet and people are already calling for a riot.)
6. Buy your chocobo license

In FFXI we have:

1. Trade one item to a Chocobo every hour for 5 hours.
2. ???
3. Congrats, you can now ride Chocobos!

You can be proud of yourself, you really worked hard for that license there.

I can't believe some of the people here, OF COURSE it's going to be easy to get a Chocobo when you have multiple rank 50 classes? Did you think you'd have to save a Chocobo from a level 90 Wyrm in a full party? Jesus christ...

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Exactly. I'm happy to see that we have moved on from mindless timesink pointless quests that conservative "hardcore" players deem a "challenge."

I regret making this thread. I am going to assume each company WILL have a chocobo based quest, and they just didn't mention it. Why should they mention everything like that? I am sorry

don't blame yourself, you probably got caught up in the "make it hardcore so no one else can be as good as me" fad that seems to have swept through community general in the last couple of days

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Originally Posted by Mushy

I regret making this thread. I am going to assume each company WILL have a chocobo based quest, and they just didn't mention it. Why should they mention everything like that? I am sorry

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its not your fault you want something challenging to do. dont apologize.

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Originally Posted by mikefmc

its not your fault you want something challenging to do. dont apologize.

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Honestly it'll probably be challenging for those not already 45+. And even then, we still dont know how many seals it takes to be promoted from Recruit rank. If anything we'll probably get a cutscene about chocobos after handing in the insurance form, and prior to we'll probably be funneled into a beast tribe stronghold or other quests to get enough seals to rank up and then more to get the insurance itself.

People on here keep grouping me with the hardcore crowd. I have never beaten r45 dungeon, and I die constantly which is a running joke in my LS. I simply like story.

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

They've already stated mulitple times that the airships and chocobos would be constantly fleshed out as time goes by. Its not like we're going to just get this and be stuck with it, any more than us being stuck with the current classes or current class skill sets.

Eventually we'll be having airship specific content, pvp in gladiator arenas, our chocobos aiding in battle, and even jumping. The problem is, since we're playing the game right now, AND a new team is working on the game simultaneously, we're seeing things implemented and improved as they go. Also Yoshi-P and team arent implementing things at a rate that the player base is dictating. If that was the case, they would've just thrown up a job system and let us have at it.

Honestly, I dont see the big deal in getting a company issued chocobo after doing quests and paying for it...especially when we'll be breeding them sooner or later, fighting along side them, and other things you probably wouldnt ever be able to do in Vana'diel or any other FF universe in the past.

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Perhaps I've been less than clear. Please, don't get me wrong. I'm all for the new development team, and I very much like Yoshida. I'm complaining about the loud chorus of entitled whiners that want everything rushed to them, regardless of quality. I just happen to think that making things available easily should not precede depth, layering and complexity... and yes, a certain degree of difficulty to access them.

I'm sure a certain balance will eventually arrive, but in the meantime, the psychological space of the game will be marred by a feeling of shallow, makeshift, simplicity that does not become the feeling of heroic adventure. I wanted a world to conquer, not one to be given to me for free. And by the time It becomes balanced, complex and challenging, I'll have 10 classes capped, and the trip there will have left only shallow memories of routine fights and lackluster equipment. (And don't tell me that we have to leve, and quest, and rank up, level up, and grind some more, as proof that this game has challenge. What did you expect? This is an MMO, for crying out loud! Those are the bare minimum. I want real imagination-stealing storylines and puzzles to solve, and battles that will test my ingenuity and skill.)

I still think the world is too small for chocobos and airships and I will continue stating it. If they were going to be introduced at this point, perhaps a higher set of hurdles was becoming. But the tantrum-prone needed appeasing, and what I'm seeing is a system that needed to be introduced in stages being rushed from both ends. We're simultaneously getting rentals and owned chocobos. And the latter will almost be given to you for free, if you are over 45. Why! I just got a surprise allowance of 1K seals from the Flames, at Ul'dah; that is exactly one third of what it will cost me to own my very own chocobo. Never mind that I already owned 6k and had nothing really pressing to spend them in. :-/

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I still think the world is too small for chocobos and airships and I will continue stating it.

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The world isn't too small per se; the problem is, there's not much IN IT to go do.

For example, think about Thanalan. There's actually a large area to run around in, and a lot of it is very difficult to reach thanks to high-level mobs. But there's no real reason to get to the difficult places, because there simply isn't anything behind them that profits your char. in any way.

One thing that could really help that - and that is on the planned list for 1.19 - are treasure chest on the field map, not connected to leves or quests. That would really add a badassness to getting around the strong mobs - knowing that you have a greater chance of finding some nice treasure hidden away.

I don't see the point in flipping out over this. Honestly how hard did you truly expect this to be? This has to be accessible to everyone within an a decent amount of time. 3k marks may not seem like much, but look at it this way. With the exception of this event that gives 1k marks for free we currently cannot get marks TILL like what R25ish with the first dungeon? So a new player, it actually would take time for them to aquire what they need to get their birds. You can't expect a MID-LEVEL feature to be a challenge when nearly everyone in this game has already established themselves. The cost is in line with what I would expect for our entree level personal mounts.

Remember down the line there will be chocobo breeding, more colors, barding and gear to pimp them out with.

In short realize its a Mid-Level item. Its like walking into the R25 dungeon with 4 R50's and then coming out going... "Well that was to easy.."

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

The world isn't too small per se; the problem is, there's not much IN IT to go do.

For example, think about Thanalan. There's actually a large area to run around in, and a lot of it is very difficult to reach thanks to high-level mobs. But there's no real reason to get to the difficult places, because there simply isn't anything behind them that profits your char. in any way.

One thing that could really help that - and that is on the planned list for 1.19 - are treasure chest on the field map, not connected to leves or quests. That would really add a badassness to getting around the strong mobs - knowing that you have a greater chance of finding some nice treasure hidden away.

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Dont forget progressing towards the strongholds, and whatever out of the way places Company Quest/new story missions send us too. Also normal quests and NMs.

As far as touching on region largeness in general, Coerthas just feels huge.

Walk from Grid to Ul'dah. Then go down into the pit near Horizon and kill all the high level monsters down there 100 times, each.

Then go and buy your bird.

Congratulations, you got your grind-fest for your chocobo without making anyone else suffer. Do you feel special now?

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Originally Posted by EmeraldHill

Walk from Grid to Ul'dah. Then go down into the pit near Horizon and kill all the high level monsters down there 100 times, each.

Then go and buy your bird.

Congratulations, you got your grind-fest for your chocobo without making anyone else suffer. Do you feel special now?

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lol... that was funny, i have to admit. But seriously, why are some of you guys so opposed to working to gain you goodies? I mean, isn't that in essence what an rpg is all about? Why do you look at it as a form of punishment instead of joy? Surely it can be entertaining. Then again, i pose another question. By the same token, isn't it even more punishing to grind through levequests 100's of times to get to rank 50, same concept applies to crafting which is even more tedious.
Why is it when it comes to something like a new fun feature such as chocobo and Airship and lemme say a one-off quest which is also tied into the lore, it is such a big deal for some here? This goes beyond me. Please provide a valid explanation, because it doesn't make any sense to me. This is an rpg and this is how these games work, you work for your stuff. Never handed easy from the start. Almost sounds to me you're more of like a Shooter/Action type gamer than an rpg fan? Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Gennosuke

lol... that was funny, i have to admit. But seriously, why are some of you guys so opposed to working to gain you goodies? I mean, isn't that in essence what an rpg is all about? Why do you look at it as a form of punishment instead of joy? Surely it can be entertaining. Then again, i pose another question. By the same token, isn't it even more punishing to grind through levequests 100's of times to get to rank 50, same concept applies to crafting which is even more tedious.
Why is it when it comes to something like a new fun feature such as chocobo and Airship and lemme say a one-off quest which is also tied into the lore, it is such a big deal for some here? This goes beyond me. Please provide a valid explanation, because it doesn't make any sense to me. This is an rpg and this is how these games work, you work for your stuff. Never handed easy from the start. Almost sounds to me you're more of like a Shooter/Action type gamer than an rpg fan? Just sayin'

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because you are r40... and this was made for rank 20-25... therefore it is easy hand to you because you are over the "quest limit" for chocobo's Try over at r1 and work up like first experience the game get to 25 and I be it is no longer an easy hand me, but you actually had to work for it....

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Originally Posted by Gennosuke

lol... that was funny, i have to admit. But seriously, why are some of you guys so opposed to working to gain you goodies? I mean, isn't that in essence what an rpg is all about? Why do you look at it as a form of punishment instead of joy? Surely it can be entertaining. Then again, i pose another question. By the same token, isn't it even more punishing to grind through levequests 100's of times to get to rank 50, same concept applies to crafting which is even more tedious.
Why is it when it comes to something like a new fun feature such as chocobo and Airship and lemme say a one-off quest which is also tied into the lore, it is such a big deal for some here? This goes beyond me. Please provide a valid explanation, because it doesn't make any sense to me. This is an rpg and this is how these games work, you work for your stuff. Never handed easy from the start. Almost sounds to me you're more of like a Shooter/Action type gamer than an rpg fan? Just sayin'

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Because we have been working for our goodies for a year. Chocobos should have been in at launch or within a couple of patches, by now we would have all had our birds 100x over. We've stuck the game out through a horrible crap launch, through a dev recycle, through slow patches and much more.

I earned my seals and if I can come in and get a bird not long after I get into game after patch, then so be it, I am happy.

Had we been starting out fresh we would be waiting around 20+ ranks before we could unlock the birds, based on current rank requirements for seal quests. Does it seem easy? Yeah it does, but thats because we have been gobbling every piece of content thrown at us like ravenous wolves for months.

New players are not going to just log in and have a chocobo, its not going to happen. They are going to need to rank and quest and earn seals. This content is not designed to challenge everyone that is already 50, you can't just make getting a chocobo really hard because most of your player base is 50, it has to be designed from the get go so that's its accessible to those around mid rank when your suppose to earn it. It would be be a bit of a time sink/challenge AT the proper rank mid level rank, problem is we never had it in time. SE is not playing to just the small amount of us toughing it out, we are not going to toss them that much cash in the end, they need their PS3 players to earn the case and as such content needs to be tiered properly

Besides, who's to say that we will not be able to unlock better chocobos and mounts down the line? Chocobos are not the only mount we will have access to, I am sure there will be some insanely hard mounts down the line, then you can grind away.

Emerald is right, if you desperately need to feel some achievement hook up with a group of like minded people and make up your own quest and swear not to acquire your birds until you feel you 'earned' it. Then you can ride your chocobo in pride and look down at all us other players who took the 'easy way out' by playing the game and earning the birds by the planned methods. You could also roll and alt and decide not get a chocobo until your alt has acquired it, that way you can take it slow, if you so choose.

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Originally Posted by Gennosuke

lol... that was funny, i have to admit. But seriously, why are some of you guys so opposed to working to gain you goodies? I mean, isn't that in essence what an rpg is all about? Why do you look at it as a form of punishment instead of joy? Surely it can be entertaining. Then again, i pose another question. By the same token, isn't it even more punishing to grind through levequests 100's of times to get to rank 50, same concept applies to crafting which is even more tedious.
Why is it when it comes to something like a new fun feature such as chocobo and Airship and lemme say a one-off quest which is also tied into the lore, it is such a big deal for some here? This goes beyond me. Please provide a valid explanation, because it doesn't make any sense to me. This is an rpg and this is how these games work, you work for your stuff. Never handed easy from the start. Almost sounds to me you're more of like a Shooter/Action type gamer than an rpg fan? Just sayin'

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How 'bout this for and explanation of why we don't want a pointless time waster quest like XI's or some long drawn out quest that would be a challenge for hardcores and r50's

THIS IS MID-LEVEL CONTENT! IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR r50'S!

christ, you have to level to r22 to get access to Grand Companies, then do the various quest to get your 3k seals, rank 25 is when you're finally allowed to even do the first quest that nets a decent amount of 'em, then as is alluded to in the text of these quests, ranks are bought not awarded so there's some of those 3k seals gone, now do caravan quests to shore up that lost amount, and knowing SE they will be a huge pain for level appropriate. come back and finally buy your issuance and if any of you had bothered to read the article you would see you then take that item to the rental chocobo people and trade it to them for your company issued chocobo, and most likely when you trade your issuance thingie to them you are most likely going to get your cutscene,...sounds like plenty of work for the chocobo to me!

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

because you are r40... and this was made for rank 20-25... therefore it is easy hand to you because you are over the "quest limit" for chocobo's Try over at r1 and work up like first experience the game get to 25 and I be it is no longer an easy hand me, but you actually had to work for it....

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Right, i get your point about having put in effort to get to the 3k seals stage. Though i'm arguing a one-off somewhat deep and meaningful Chocobo related quest to give it more meaning and just get a feel of it, doesn't have to be punishment. Surely that can't be bad?

A cs or a quest along with the 3000 wont be horrible but it shouldn't be what some other's are asking for... just we have to wait to see what they hid away in the patch because I know what they told us can't possibly be all of it... so I am just excited to see the notes (probably monday or tuesday)