Getting rid of surnames

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Originally Posted by Rinoa

It isn't an issue of not having enough possibilities of names for everyone, We need enough possibilities so we can all have the names we want. I'm against having to put a - in my name. I was upset when i couldn't get the name Heartilly, I had to go with Leonhart instead. I don't think Square will nix the surname. But i could see them letting us turn them off. =)

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If you can see:

The amount of possibilities for names are only enhanced by allowing, at free will, for people to choose only ONE name.

Essentially you're creating a free space for EVERYONE to choose every name that currently exists, by simply not having a last name. That's what? another 30,000 name possibilities right there.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Saw someone on my server earlier called Hotpotato Salad.

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And people are arguing the point that surnames create more immersion. lol.

No they certainly dont - they only clutter the screen and the chat log. Especially when coming across a particularly retardedly long name. (which will happen with or with out surnames obviously for those of you who havent read the entire thread). My point is immersion.

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Originally Posted by Kam

And people are arguing the point that surnames create more immersion. lol.

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Y'know... I'm not picking on you or anything, but it seems that people have lost what the word' immersion' actually means.

I may make a thread to fully explain it's meaning and how people are misinterpreting it, right after I've eaten this cheeseburger toastie. (It's yummy)

Hotpotato salad would have benefitted from us having middle names though.

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Originally Posted by Kam

And people are arguing the point that surnames create more immersion. lol.

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The point is much simpler. Removing surnames at this point is *not feasible* and asking it is not reasonable, ergo this thread is void.

It's not even new, by the way. A well known troll already brought it up once (in order to troll), and he's been hit by a choir of "shut up!".

Its nice to see this thread going off into talks about how people choose names for their characters, as this is half my issue.

The argument that people will miss out the space in a full name - obvious

The argument that they make the game more immerse - null and voided.

The argument that a singular name actually enhances a 'full choice' of names - not answered.

Mostly what I've read is the pop culture references for why it is important to people to name their character. And thats cool. If you really want that, more power to you; At the least i'm asking for the same power.

Essentially it is feasible to do, and as I've stated in this thread, why can't this be thrown in with the PS3 "relaunch" as we will be given new genders to change to around that time.

The idea that surnames should be "required" by everyone is archaic. That's just my 2 cents. Apparently I'm a troll. So be it.

As I've (sort of) touched on in my previous post, I don't care about immersion with character names. For me, the name is for the person I'm playing with, not their character. I find that more "immersive" than having to read some of the over-thought full names which ultimately mean nothing to me as a player. I'm not in this world, I'm not my character, I'm me. I care about the names of my friends, not these character role-play names.

I'll remember and cherish the memory of playing with someone called, for instance, Sexytaru over Ravencrowbladelegoslasgimli Dragoncrest anyday.

inb4itscalledmmoRPG

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

If I lose my first name due to the loss of a surname I could not re-enact this for my own personal enjoyment :p

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Bwahahaha Classic!

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Originally Posted by Kam

Its nice to see this thread going off into talks about how people choose names for their characters, as this is half my issue.

The argument that people will miss out the space in a full name - obvious

The argument that they make the game more immerse - null and voided.

The argument that a singular name actually enhances a 'full choice' of names - not answered.

Mostly what I've read is the pop culture references for why it is important to people to name their character. And thats cool. If you really want that, more power to you; At the least i'm asking for the same power.

Essentially it is feasible to do, and as I've stated in this thread, why can't this be thrown in with the PS3 "relaunch" as we will be given new genders to change to around that time.

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The argument that a singular name actually enhances a 'full choice' of names - The purpose of choice is for someone to be able to choose what they want and get it. With one-word names, anyone who has taken a particular name will then remove that choice from another player. With the surname option, you can have the first name and last name of your choice, allowing more versatility in your characters name and letting you get the name of your choice. This 'should' make you happy. To remove surnames is to LIMIT your choice for a name, not enhance it.

My characters name is Konata Chibi. It was my first choice for a name. I got the name. I am happy (b'.')b

The only other option is to associate a name with an account, like Champions Online does. This means you can have any name you like even if someone else is using it, because your name would read in full: [insert name]@[insert account name]
Champions Online also allowed me to add symbols into my name and spaces if I so wished, and no one would need to type in that name when sending me a /tell because only the account name was needed, which was all one word.

This way my name would read Konata Chibi@Konachibi, so in order to send me a /tell, you'd simply have to type in /tell Konachibi, and I would receive it regardless of what character I was playing or it's name.

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Originally Posted by Kam

Essentially it is feasible to do, and as I've stated in this thread, why can't this be thrown in with the PS3 "relaunch" as we will be given new genders to change to around that time.

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No. It's not feasible, because putting a system in place to force everyone that chose the same name second (or third, or fouth and so forth) to change their name would be a PR disaster, and an immense waste of resources, for something that the majority (as you may have noticed on your own redundant thread, because the idea has already been shot down before) doesn't even want.

Even more silly to do so with the PS3 launch, as it would basically be telling new PS3 players "hey, you'll never have the name you want, because PC players have been around before you"

Give it up.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

The argument that a singular name actually enhances a 'full choice' of names - The purpose of choice is for someone to be able to choose what they want and get it. With one-word names, anyone who has taken a particular name will then remove that choice from another player. With the surname option, you can have the first name and last name of your choice, allowing more versatility in your characters name and letting you get the name of your choice. This 'should' make you happy. To remove surnames is to LIMIT your choice for a name, not enhance it.

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You did read my post, but you ignored the fact I asked for it to be allowed for people to choose either option.

And so what if your first name is taken and you only wanted 1 name. Thats life - f****** deal with it?

I can see the flaws with 1 named characters but would still argue for the option. Because ulitmatly it IS more choice.

..and more chat log room..


...and less screen clutter...

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No. It's not feasible, because putting a system in place to force everyone that chose the same name second (or third, or fouth and so forth) to change their name would be a PR disaster, and an immense waste of resources, for something that the majority (as you may have noticed on your own redundant thread, because the idea has already been shot down before) doesn't even want.

Even more silly to do so with the PS3 launch, as it would basically be telling new PS3 players "hey, you'll never have the name you want, because PC players have been around before you"

Give it up.

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Age Of Conan had this problem when they were merging servers. The entire community went into an uproar. It didn't end well.

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Originally Posted by Kam

You did read my post, but you ignored the fact I asked for it to be allowed for people to choose either option.

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Which would just cause confusion. This kind of basic thing requires to have one rule and have everyone follow it. It's a simple rule of game development.

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Originally Posted by Kam

You did read my post, but you ignored the fact I asked for it to be allowed for people to choose either option.

And so what if you're first name is taken and you only wanted 1 name. Thats life - f****** deal with it?

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FFXIV isn't life, it is a game, games are designed for enjoyment and to give you the things you want so you can enjoy it.

I did mention in one of the first posts in the thread that giving the player the option to have a last or not would be a good idea.

I will however admit that I had not associated the post i was replying to with the post you had made previous to it so I misunderstood what you were saying and made a response based on that misunderstanding. For that I am sorry.

I did however put in a suggestion that would allow any player to have any name they wanted with no real limitations, which would satisfy everyone I'd imagine.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No. It's not feasible, because putting a system in place to force everyone that chose the same name second (or third, or fouth and so forth) to change their name would be a PR disaster, and an immense waste of resources, for something that the majority (as you may have noticed on your own redundant thread, because the idea has already been shot down before) doesn't even want.

Even more silly to do so with the PS3 launch, as it would basically be telling new PS3 players "hey, you'll never have the name you want, because PC players have been around before you"

Give it up.

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Apparently the test server can deal with it. You know?.. the servers they test out the stuff they implement on...

the community is a different matter for sure. You and your goddamn sentimental names. :P

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

It died when an MMO came out that stole both it's original design from something else and incorporated an endless supply of pop-culture references that filled the game to the point where hardly anything in the game was not stolen from something else.

*points to World Of Warcraft*

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But it actually works with WoW well. Fits by nature, doesn't bother me when I play it. It bothers me though in any other MMO though. WoW has special privileges though.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

FFXIV isn't life, it is a game, games are designed for enjoyment and to give you the things you want so you can enjoy it.

I did mention in one of the first posts in the thread that giving the player the option to have a last or not would be a good idea.

I will however admit that I had not associated the post i was replying to with the post you had made previous to it so I misunderstood what you were saying and made a response based on that misunderstanding. For that I am sorry.

I did however put in a suggestion that would allow any player to have any name they wanted with no real limitations, which would satisfy everyone I'd imagine.

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Yes and I totally agreed with that. Name freedom. Yes please...

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Originally Posted by Kam

Apparently the test server can deal with it. You know?.. the servers they test out the stuff they implement on...

the community is a different matter for sure. You and your goddamn sentimental names. :P

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You do not get it. The fact that it's technucally doable on a server that houses a hundred employees that don't care crap what they're named as they test doesn't mean that it's feasible on live servers with thousands of players that would be inconvenienced.

No, really. You may have missed the fact that a large majority is against it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

FFXIV isn't life, it is a game, games are designed for enjoyment and to give you the things you want so you can enjoy it.

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FFXIV is a part of the life of the players. yes?

I want one name.

kapiche?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You do not get it. The fact that it's technucally doable on a server that houses a hundred employees that don't care crap what they're named as they test doesn't mean that it's feasible on live servers with thousands of players that would be inconvenienced.

No, really. You may have missed the fact that a large majority is against it anyway.

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No, no. You say most people wouldn't rename because surnames are enjoyed by the majority. Yet at the same time say this isn't feasible because the majority would be inconvenienced.

You see my point?

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Originally Posted by Kam

FFXIV is a part of the life of the players. yes?

I want one name.

kapiche?

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I agree for the ability to choose if your name has a surname or not

I kapiche

Now to make a Lalafell called Shorty McStumpy (b'.')b

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I agree for the ability to choose if your name has a surname or not

I kapiche

Now to make a Lalafell called Shorty McStumpy (b'.')b

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*calls captain hindsight*

I'll admit I titled this thread wrongly.

But the point is still there :D

Its surprising. This place HAS changed a lot. Good on' you forums <3

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Originally Posted by Kam

No, no. You say most people wouldn't rename because surnames are enjoyed by the majority. Yet at the same time say this isn't feasible because the majority would be inconvenienced.

You see my point?

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No, I say this isn't feasible because the majority would be inconvenienced AND it will require wasting resources to put in place systems that are just going to piss people off and confuse others. THAT is why the majority already shot down this idea when a well known troll brought it up before, and THAT is why it's still being shot down by the majority now.

There's no point to see.

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Originally Posted by Verecund

Can we just get rid of pants instead...

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This discussion should've stopped at this comment. :P

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No, I say this isn't feasible because the majority would be inconvenienced AND it will require wasting resources to put in place systems that are just going to piss people off and confuse others. THAT is why the majority already shot down this idea when a well known troll brought it up before, and THAT is why it's still being shot down by the majority now.

There's no point to see.

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Exactly my feelings on adding new genders. EXACTLY.

So again. There's no reason why this shouldn't be there. Its almost like your not even acknowledging the practical implications this has OVER the resources spent on gender changes.

Oh wait you are. I forget you've be ignorantly biased through out this.

:D

And in fact the resources needed to implement a "one name option" are certainly already in place on the test server.

Its a community issue rather than a physical resource issue.

And as been stated, the majority would not be effected because they would opt for a surname.

I don't get your issue. At all. I've already stated the name of the thread is misleading and in hindsight should be renamed.

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Originally Posted by Kam

And in fact the resources needed to implement a "one name option" are certainly already in place on the test server.

Its a community issue rather than a physical resource issue.

And as been stated, the majority would not be effected because they would opt for a surname.

I don't get your issue. At all. I've already stated the name of the thread is misleading and in hindsight should be renamed.

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Going a bit off-topic but also following your comment, the option to change the name of a thread once it's been posted would be nice, I've named a thread and wished I could rename it before.

Half of me thinks it wouldn't have almost 3k views with that option, but at least it would seem more coherent lol

SOOO many people will be forced to change their names then... i've seen like 12 Alucard's on my server and multiple morph's etc etc. just copy and paste their name if its too long to type :p

even in FFXI people had super long names like Iamyouronetruelegend, and Feartheunknown, lordofallthatisunholy, alexfuriouswrath etc etc this wouldnt change anything just become a better typer or copy and paste names like i mentioned above lol

wheres the dislike button haha

This is not forcing anyone to change anything. unless they choose so.

you're arguing that all 12 of them would opt for this - which kind of supports my idea that people don't give two *** about surnames and would - in an ideal world - only have 1 name unique to them.

I'm asking for that. And if you can't invent something 'unique' other than Alucard then you're a *** tool lol. OR you have the option of a last name. Everyone is happy.

I'd just like to take a breather here before I have to re-argue any of my points upto this page.

[SIZE="6"]THE TITLE IS MISLEADING[/SIZE]


FROM HENCE FORTH THIS WILL BE KNOWN AS

[SIZE="7"]"THE 'OPTIONAL SURNAME' DISCUSSION"[/SIZE]


Please read through what has been discussed before bringing up old points. For the pure sake of good discussion.

and secondly my sanity =P

No i like having a surname, leave it alone and add titles to.

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Originally Posted by Kyra

No i like having a surname, leave it alone and add titles to.

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herp-a-derp. dey tuk urr jerbsss. right?

I guess if it was optional, then it could work.

Maybe they could implement a command "/display surname off"

This way, for all intents and purposes, you would only have one name. Even though technically (according to the server database) you actually had two names.

The issue of course would still persist for sending tells to people. And also there would be a possibility of running into two people with the same first name, both with /display surname set to off.

Okay so basically this idea doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Kam

I'd just like to take a breather here before I have to re-argue any of my points upto this page.

[SIZE="6"]THE TITLE IS MISLEADING[/SIZE]


FROM HENCE FORTH THIS WILL BE KNOWN AS

[SIZE="7"]"THE 'OPTIONAL SURNAME' DISCUSSION"[/SIZE]


Please read through what has been discussed before bringing up old points. For the pure sake of good discussion,

and secondly my sanity =P

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8DgVLSyiow

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I guess if it was optional, then it could work.

Maybe they could implement a command "/display surname off"

This way, for all intents and purposes, you would only have one name. Even though technically (according to the server database) you actually had two names.

The issue of course would still persist for sending tells to people. And also there would be a possibility of running into two people with the same first name, both with /display surname set to off.

Okay so basically this idea doesn't work.

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Practically speaking.

/tell User Twentyeleven

would be different from

/tell Usertwenty Eleven

as would be different from

/tell Usertwentyeleven

I really don't see an issue. The test server supports single named characters.

I was merely thinking aloud in my above post. A /display surname off command wouldn't work for obvious reason that you wouldn't be able to /tell people if you only knew their first name and not their surname.

The only way the option to have one name could work is if they gave people option at character creation to have one, two, maybe evenTHREE names.

But I guess SE didn't want to give people option like this because then those who choose to have only one name will have a perceived advantage over others (more convenient to /tell them and they also "look" more original).

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

(more convenient to /tell them and they also "look" more original).

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Wow the first person to hint at this.

I admit the option to turn of last names would be complicated, but theres no reason why it should interfere with the chat system, even with singular named character running about.

Full target name appears upon selecting them, right? :)

Most people on this forum are pretty irrational like that and can't have a discussion.