So what if people sell platinum and gold plans for gil?

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Originally Posted by Niytshade

Housing will when they add the FC airships no? also the housing "forges" (I guess you can call them for lack of a better term) that let help you level a low level craft slightly faster..I think those benefit you a little bit in game..

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Buying Premium/Gold plans selling them to players and saving up that gil will give you not only the edge to buy a House (would need to be a FC house for the airship)
But it will give you a huge boost over other players in the crafting end game as well. Letting you buy Artisan gear and Materia for this gear.

And since the airship system will require crafting, you could take advantage of this system to produce an airship faster.
Although Building an airship is a group effort, so you would need to gear up people in your FC as well

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

Shhhh let them buy more. It's funny. ...

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It is very funny. As much as I despise RMT, at least they have the good sense to turn pixels into dollars, you can fault their ethics, but you can not fault their rationality. However to spend $10 to $40 and turn that into a handful of gil, that is doing the exact opposite of what the RMT gil sellers are doing. Are people crazy or something? I may be gutless and not want to risk real money just to get some gil and not jump in on this speculation, but seriously how long can this go on, not every player wants to do the wedding thing and if they want to save real money they will probably shop for the lowest bidder.

Ok, so I have been pro-cash shop since all this started...but seeing everyone now selling these bands seems a bit much. Can't say I agree now.

Um so I asked a GM as well, just to double check and I'll reiterate what they said:

"Greetings,

Thank you for your report regarding in-game RMT advertisements.

We understand the serious nature of such advertisements, however selling the Bonus items of the Mog Station for Gils in game is not a voilation against the Terms of Service, hence is not considered as RMT.

Once again, thank you for your report and we apologise for any inconvenience caused by this issue.

Regards,

FF XIV: GM Team."

Well take it as you will, please don't hurt me with witch hunting forks or white knight shield bashes.

EDIT: If you want a screenshot I'll be happy to provide. Just that I am PvPing and cba. + Fixed spelling

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Originally Posted by Exsequens

Um so I asked a GM as well, just to double check and I'll reiterate what they said:

"Greetings,

Thank you for your report regarding in-game RMT advertisements.

We understand the serious nature of such advertisements, however selling the Bonus items of the Mog Station for Gils in game is not a voilation against the Terms of Service, hence is no considered as RMT..

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There you have it, everyone. Cash shop is now officially P2W and it's okay. Where are all you cash shop defenders now?

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Originally Posted by Sholah

There you have it, everyone. Cash shop is now officially P2W and it's okay. Where are all you cash shop defenders now?

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Looks like they might get rid of the feature soon via GM post:

"As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose."

Well after that happens the anti cash shop exclusive brigade should be out with greater fury. I don't think SE was dumb enough to realize that people wouldn't sell it for gil, they were just hoping that people wouldn't complain about it so much.

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Originally Posted by cookiecutter

Looks like they might get rid of the feature soon via GM post:

"As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose."

Well after that happens the anti cash shop exclusive brigade should be out with greater fury. I don't think SE was dumb enough to realize that people wouldn't sell it for gil, they were just hoping that people wouldn't complain about it so much.

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Of course people would complain(and will continue to complain) about it, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the system is flawed.
That post confirms people will not get banned for selling premium/gold plans, so people are going to start selling them even more to try and get as much gil as they can until the system is changed.

Bayohne asking people politely to stop isn't going to change things if there is no penalty.

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Originally Posted by cookiecutter

I don't think SE was dumb enough to realize that people wouldn't sell it for gil, they were just hoping that people wouldn't complain about it so much.

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I'm not too sure about that to be fair. The Japanese community in general is vastly different from that in the western world. Just take a look on as to how hunts went down on many Japanese servers and how they went down on many western servers. Where people waited for an eternity to pull on some JP servers (maybe all?) the rage and greed on western servers was and still is very strong around these. And this isn't the first MMO in which that is the case. Which makes me wonder whether such sells for gil are as commonly present on JP servers as well or not.

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Originally Posted by cookiecutter

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All this means is people are going to jump on the bandwagon to get maximum penetration of the current state of the system before they can patch or change it. So I expect the number to increase exponentially now.

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Originally Posted by Fornix

Which makes me wonder whether such sells for gil are as commonly present on JP servers as well or not.

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They are
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...B2%A9%E5%A3%B2
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...B2%E3%81%A7RMT

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Originally Posted by Vondoomervil

Ok, so I have been pro-cash shop since all this started...but seeing everyone now selling these bands seems a bit much. Can't say I agree now.

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Perhaps now you can finally see why people have been so adamant against the cash shop's direction in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Fornix

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So you're saying SE is so ignorant that they have no idea what their western community will do? They already have plenty examples of western community taking advantage of this system. They adjusted hunts to combat this. They knew what they were doing when they made wedding bands tradable. They were just hoping there wouldn't be as much backlash against selling it. Right now they're just politicking saying that selling the bands wasn't the intended purpose which may be partially true. However I'm sure they knew what else would happen if they made those bands tradable.

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Originally Posted by Seidaku

All this means is people are going to jump on the bandwagon to get maximum penetration of the current state of the system before they can patch or change it. So I expect the number to increase exponentially now.

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Really this possible change hurts the people who can make gil to get platinum bonding but can't afford it in real cash. The people who are selling can just go to RMT to get their gil fix so you're not really hurting those guys.

I don't understand why people have such issues with this. This should curb some of the incentive for people to buy botted gil.


Person A spends a great deal of time grinding in the game. Let's just say they are good at everything and they work really hard at it - crafting/gathering/desynth/spiritbonding/selling primals and coil fights/playing the market for capital gain/you name it- and this person A earns millions of gil doing all of these things. Time in the game is important to person A. He enjoys earning gil and is proud of his accomplishments in the game.

Person B spends a great deal of time grinding in real life. Maybe they built some kind of business and work really hard at it, whatever it is that they chose to do - and this person B earns hundreds of thousands of dollars doing what he does. This person works hard doing whatever it is that he chose to do. Maybe this person has a family and decides that although he likes to play this game, time in his career and family is more important to person B than time grinding for things in the game. He enjoys his life irl and is proud of his accomplishments there.

Persons A and B both want to enjoy whatever aspect of the game they choose. They just have two distinct paths of doing exactly the same thing. Person A would rather spend his time playing the game grinding than grinding in real life for real money because the game is way more enjoyable to him than whatever work he chose to do. Person B would rather spend his time earning real money because grinding for gil is less enjoyable for him. So with the real money he spent his time earning he pays for a wedding band and puts it up on the marketboard to make some gil. With the gil that person A spent his time earning he buys the wedding band because he doesn't want to spend real money on the game.

So person A wins because he didn't want to have to spend real money and he didn't have to. Person B wins because he didn't have to spend time grinding gil and he didn't have to. Square enix wins because they earned some revenue in this transaction. Persons A and B can both continue to enjoy the game even better than they otherwise would have because square enix is able to afford to invest even more into it from the extra revenue. Persons A and B win again because this takes away from the botters' market share of gil buying. This drives down the price that these botters can sell gil for because some percentage of the market for gil-buying is being satisfied due to the gil sale of these cash shop items. Would be cool if it lowered all the way down to breaking even for the botters what with subscription fees, etc. for all their bots vs. money made by their bots (which would put them bankrupt and out of business!!) Imagine an FFXIV experience with no spam bots! :D

Any haters will at least be able to agree with this let's count the wins: win-win-win-winwin-winwin. 7 wins is pretty good maybe even 8 because SE wins they don't have to spend as much resources banning bots! Now let's count the losses: ... 0?

Guys please take a step back and realize that the primary currency in life is time and we can all spend it however we choose :)

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Originally Posted by ManweSulimo

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All is right. But what you described is called pay to win.

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Originally Posted by vp_cmc

All is right. But what you described is called pay to win.

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I would concur with that except having a dyable wedding dress, a double decker chocobo, and getting your friends wedding favor minions isn't really "winning" by any stretch.

I think SE should have limited the bracelets to a maximum of two transactions per account for some set period of time. Then the people who actually wanted to get married could get their bracelets, but the folks who wanted to have their cake and eat it too would have to wait a while.

I don't know if this was mentioned before (It most likely was). But think of it the other way around, Sure people are making gil with real money, But now you can get cash shop items WITH GIL. In the end it seems less Pay to win to me.

If you really don't want to spend RL money on the game for your chocobo and wedding shit, Just farm some gil and there you go. As long as you have patience you are fine. If you don't, MMOs probably aren't for you anyway. Grinding is a thing.