Cash Shop Overpriced?

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Originally Posted by Mysteran

So I guess everyone that keeps bringing this up is okay with that being as much as they get from their subscription?

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As said - Do not hit "I Agree" if you don't agree. Money a company makes on any of their products and services goes to things relevant to the company in general, but you paying a sub is specifically to access the game - you don't even own your characters.

They already charge extra:

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Each race
Each class
Each zone
Each quest
Each item

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It's called an expansion pack.

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DX11 client

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Based on production costs this could actually raise the base price if they seen fit.

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In short, saying "They can do it because the EULA says you only pay for access to the servers to play the game" is a very hollow argument in my opinion.

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You agreed to it in order to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

As said - Do not hit "I Agree" if you don't agree.

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You are well aware that the ToS that we all "Agree" too has been thrown out in court quite a few times actually. To pretend like it's some bullet proof sheild for your arguments is a bit shaky...I'm also unsure why you even mention it in the first place at all.

Why would the ToS have anything to do with people and their issues with the cash shop? Square Enix is a big company, and we are big consumers I at least don't need you to remind me that I'm fully able to walk away at anytime. A handfull of things I don't agree with the game may not effect the whole of what I enjoy, but there are ways I feel the game could be made better for me and would lead to me lengthened subscription and therefor more money for Square Enix from me in the future.

As a company there is no reason why they don't want to hear my opinion, they are the ones who need to decide wether the customers are ok with the cash shop or not. State your support for the cash shop and why you feel it will be good for the game instead of just trying to dismiss people who don't agree with you.

Your actually doing harm to Square Enix by trying to blindly defend them.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Your actually doing harm to Square Enix by trying to blindly defend them.

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No one is defending - Being against everything does more harm, actually. It's just the realism of the situation. The only time "ToS" gets thrown out in the court is when someone tries to sue a game company over something you can't sue them for, another reason companies adapted the "act of god" clause - it is still legally binding, which is why they can't just do things "quickly" when it comes to internationally supported games because each country handles agreements differently.

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but there are ways I feel the game could be made better for me and would lead to me lengthened subscription and therefor more money for Square Enix from me in the future.

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Sadly, trying to tell them to not do something standard in the online gaming world doesn't do much better. On the flip side, them adding a cash shop and it proven to be a success also means more money for Square Enix in the future. So if your argument against cash shop is you know what will be more enjoyable for you in the future and thus more money to SE...a cash shop also means the same because there are some people out there who enjoy buying vanity items and such from a cash shop since once again, there's a reason F2P and MOBA games are insanely popular and makes more money than P2P games ever will, even without P2W element (look at LoL, it's impossible to "P2W" unless you count hitting max level slightly faster that does nothing for you against someone who actually has skill.)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

As said - Do not hit "I Agree" if you don't agree. Money a company makes on any of their products and services goes to things relevant to the company in general, but you paying a sub is specifically to access the game - you don't even own your characters.

They already charge extra:



It's called an expansion pack.



Based on production costs this could actually raise the base price if they seen fit.



You agreed to it in order to play the game.

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I agree to play the game because I enjoy it as it currently is.

I did not agree to approve of everything they do. This is a place for feedback. We are providing feedback. Telling someone "Your feedback is wrong because the User Agreement says you are only entitled to this" doesn't help at all.

Edited to add: Oh, and my list was meant to be for each individual one. Not a "new one". Not an expansion pack of content. Everything you currently get in game now but instead of getting it for your subscription, that just covers connection to the server. That's what a la carte means... priced and ordered separately.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So if your argument against cash shop is you know what will be more enjoyable for you in the future and thus more money to SE...

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I said more money from me personally.

It's up to SE's discretion to listen to our feedback, not you to try and forum police people but continually chanting "ToS...ToS"


Your allowed to have your opinion as well as do others who don't agree with you. Us disagreeing with the system will not "Do more harm, actually" As long as people bring valid points to the table you can't dismiss them. Things like brining up the argument that our subscription has been watered down in value due to this decision it's actually a pretty serious talking point. They have allready removed Odin's mount from the allready working game files.

Square Enix has allready reacted to players by going back to look at how they are treating "Exclusive" items in the future.

There is also the precident that just because it's worked elsewhere does not mean it will always work, look at how many games attempted to emulate WoW and how many failed miserably. Blizzard can't even recreat their lightning in a bottle game as they pulled the plug on Project Titan. Final Fanasy XI remains as Square Enixs largest financial leader and XIV has a long way to go to catch up to it's older brother especially if we factor in the redevelopement costs.

The cash shop may bring them untold fortunes, but as a consumer I am not worried about their financials I am concerned with wether I enjoy their product enough to continue to support it with my money. Telling me to not do so is just silly.

I will continue to give Square Enix my support and share my thoughts until I deem it otherwise not worth my time and investment.

Simply clicking "I Agree" doesn't mean you're legally obliged to agree with every change and charge they make.
DLC like this (A single mount that cost the same price as the game itself), is remarkably overpriced. You are totally free to disagree and denounce that as you are any other feature you don't like in or surrounding the game. And I should hope you are financially savvy enough to realize that it (Or really anything outside of fantasia potions or server transfers) is not a wise purchase. Not only because of the cost itself, but also because it encourages anti consumer practice for future content.

If I can't ask you anything else, let me at least ask you to be wise with your spending.

The price of the mount is what I expected. However, my budget doesn't have that much wiggle room to allow me to purchase the mount and the minions (I do have to shop for Thanksgiving dinner and there's Christmas gifts, oh, and my birthday). Plus, I've done that more than enough with pets and mounts with Blizzard. Do I want the Sleipnir mount? Yes. But I'm not going to take the money out of what I have saved for a WiiU to get it.

Is it overpriced? A mount cost around 15 euro which is more than a month subscription. Is it overpriced? It realy depends on if money has alot of worth to you. Some people dont mind spending 50 euro on cash shop items and others find 10 euro to much, in the end its different for everyone. Personaly I find it to overpriced, a single mount should not cost more then a month subscription.

In the end the players decide if the cash shop price will stay the same, go up or down. If alot of players buy the minions, outfits and mounts then Square Enix will get the message that the current price is correct or that they need to increase the price for these items. If they lack customers buying from the cash shop, then we will see a decrease in price, special discounts etc.

The fate of the cash shop is in the hands of the players.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

And yes, you hit: "I Agree" to that. Read the terms next time.

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Do you make pedantic troll posts about the Terms of Service every time someone has a complaint/criticism/suggestion, or just when it's about the cash shop? No one is saying a cash shop is against any Terms of Service or EULA. We are simply saying we don't like it, the prices are unreasonable, we don't want to see the game taken in this direction, etc. I certainly did not click "I agree not to give any feedback."

You might as well go into a suggestion thread where somebody's brainstorming an idea for a new class or feature, and tell them "You agreed to play a game without such features, therefore you have no right to suggest anything." Or go into the threads about the new Duty Finder lockout policy, and tell them "You agreed to this in the Terms of Service." Or if somebody is trying to report a bug, tell them "You agreed to play the game as-is, you can't have any expectations that bugs will be fixed." The terms of service have nothing to do with any of this. Please stop bringing them up, as they are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

it doesn't matter what you think, Yoshida thinks otherwise.

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That's really charming, by the way. Thanks for bringing a thoughtful contribution to the discussion, as always, Tupsi.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

The terms of service have nothing to do with any of this. Please stop bringing them up, as they are irrelevant.

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As one of the first people to bring up ToS, back during fanfest, I must apologize for that becoming out of hand. The original argument for ToS was that people were complaining that "when I agreed to pay a subscription, I was told that I would have access to everything that is ever made for only that price!" which was completely untrue. the ToS argument has really gotten off base, and the people using it have lost sight of what it originally was used for.

ToS does not mean that you are not allowed to give feedback.
ToS does not mean that you agreed to every decision that the developers make.
ToS does not mean that you do not deserve anything in the game other than what the tos provides.

ToS does mean that not all content needs to be spoonfed to you for only your base price.
ToS does mean that both cash shop models, and pay for content expansion packs are not "SE changing the rules"
ToS does mean that you agreed to a basic set of measures governing what SE was Required to provide you.

lets at least get the argument straight here.

I don't care what WoW's prices are... if they're higher than ours, they're even more grossly overpriced than our items.

Sleipnir needs an emote at minimum if the price isn't changing.

In fact, I'll make a thread about it.