1.18 Patch Notes

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Originally Posted by Jabo

Ever thought that a warrior class shouldn't be good at healing?
Or that playing solo in an MMORPG shouldn't be very efficient?
Or that a healing spell for a warrior class is a exception, a bonus and not a necessity.

Boy, this game made ppl really soft with it's easiness...

Also people complained about a lack of class-uniqueness, but there you have a counter measurement.
Warrior-classes getting less allround-like and get weaknesses where they should get them.
And they get benefits where they should by lowering the recast time of Bloodbath and Second Wind.

As an addition to that.
Solo players have leves, where they get their MP refreshed after every leve.
Grinding was never meant to be done solo, but at least duo.
And now their is a better reason to team up, if you want to grind.

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Well said Jabo. :)

DAOWAce, while it may make solo'ing on a Disciples of War a bit harder (with the MP Cost Raise for Cure / Sacrifice), the way the game was before was a joke. You can easily run Guildleve Parties or Solo / Duo enemies with No Mages, by just having some of the Disciples of War party members equip a Cure or Sacrifice and get by just fine.

What's the need for a Mage at that point? This adds some class differentiation, just like before this patch today, other classes could map Emulate or Bloodletter and really get some success on the biggest NMs. These changes are making each Class stand out from each other more, and make their skills / spells / abilities more valuable.

Of course, the argument of "well this game is for casuals also!" applies here, too. But there has to be a fine line between the two. Right now, there's *no* need for a Conjurer or Thaumaturge in many parties; you can just equip a couple of their spells on your Marauder / Archer and be done with it; it marginalized many classes, or made most classes feel homogenized in many ways (every class could equip / use almost all the skills from other classes).

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Originally Posted by Belial

You ride up SE any further and you're playing tonsil-hockey.

I never said the changes were bad. In fact, I said I was looking forward to all of the changes. I'm upset at the fact that a gaming company of such "apparent" standard is suggesting force closure of the application to resolve a bug. That's very unprofessional. You can continue on your asinine ranting, but my issue is valid.

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You're "upset"?! Surely any realistic minded person would realise that bugs are a constant battle with MMO's. Take Wow for example. Even after many years they are still tackling bugs. And why is this? Because the changes they make create them.

If you want a game without bugs....wait, I'm pretty sure there isnt a game without at least a single bug or glitch in it. Even single player ones.

As for your tonsil comment, there is no need to get nasty. Besides, there are many things SE have released which I dislike. Although I am not prepared to sit here and name each one in tern and derail this particular thread.

My point is, the patch has many pros which FAR outweigh the cons. Picking up on a couple of bug issues is nit picking and is finding a reason to dislike something.

Each patch released so far has listed known bugs. I fail to see why this is a concern now, rather than 4-5 patches back?

Also, as for your concern, you failed to mention that it only suggests this IF the loading screen takes more than 5 minutes to load. If that is the case, I would say there is a major issue already. I have yet to come across any game where this is considered normal.

considering how fast you can gain back MP, I guess they want it to play like battle per battle like.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

"楽曲に関して言えば新曲あり、アレンジありありです！" continued from my last post on SE music blog about 1.18.

New music, new arrangements

:) I'm liking this

Says the sound team worked hard and they got skinny

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Hi Reinheart,

Arigatou! :) Thanks for keeping tabs on their JP Blog.

This is great news! New Music from Nobuo Uematsu-san? JOY! :)

Kinda upset about some of the recast timers (15sec for multishot?!?! really??? so i'ma just stand around for 15sec to knock my second arrow... /hmmm)... but I'll just have to wait and see...
wait for 10 hours for my download to finish WTF??Q?!?!?!!

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Originally Posted by Synric

Kinda upset about some of the recast timers... but I'll just have to wait and see...
wait for 10 hours for my download to finish WTF??Q?!?!?!!

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use uTorrent. Mine downloaded in about 30mins

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Originally Posted by Dubont

use uTorrent. Mine downloaded in about 30mins

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10 minutes here. Full utilization of my 2MB connection :) uTorrent rocks.

Two words ~ "Seek Party" :D

OMFG this patch includes Cid (at least the data from what I've read elsewhere) therefore it really is 'golden'.

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Originally Posted by Synric

Kinda upset about some of the recast timers (15sec for multishot?!?! really??? so i'ma just stand around for 15sec to knock my second arrow... /hmmm)... but I'll just have to wait and see...
wait for 10 hours for my download to finish WTF??Q?!?!?!!

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Hopefully a ninja change of multi-shot is that it knocks 2 arrows instead of 1.

search for patch and nothing shows ...

Holy crap that Lalafell NPC looks awesome! =O

So is it true they changed the route to get to the Fisherman's Guild in LL?

Also, not a huge deal, but I'm glad they reorganized several of the main rank missions to be closer together. Makes the lull more bearable, and it makes it seem that they're going to be continuing the main plot soon.

Hi All,

From Silvertear's thread, it seems there might be a clear reason to join each of the 3 Grand Companies now:

* Class-specific Rewards *

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Weapons
Lominsan Spear (LNC R30)
Lominsan Halberd (LNC R50)
Lominsan Bhuj (R50)
Lominsan Labrys (R30)
Lominsan Cudgel (THA R50)
Lominsan Brand (R30)
Canopus Bill (MRD R50)
Canopus Guisarme (LNC R50)

Joukil's Guile (ARC R30)
Ul'dahn Longbow (R50)
Ul'dahn Bow (R30)
Ul'dahn Scimitar (GLA R50)

Decorated Steel Shortsword (R50)


Gridanian Baghnakhs (PGL R50)
Gridanian Cesti (R30)
Verdant Hora (R50)
Verdant Scepter (R50)
Gridanian Wand (CON R50)
Heart of House d'Arlendre* (2h CON R30)

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From this, does it seem like...

* The Maelstrom (Limsa Lominsa) = Lancer, Marauder, Thaumaturge rewards.

* The Flames (Ul'dah) = Archer, Gladiator

* The Twin Adders (Gridania) = Conjurer, Pugilist

Sort of weird that the rewards don't line up to where each Class's Guild is situated. We'll see in about 30 min! :)
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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Just because the game needed changes, doesnt mean it needed these changes.

My biggest problem with these changes is they are

making DD melee less Unique -Melee were really generic before, i honestly dont see how this changes makes it less or more generic than how it was.Elaborate please. TP dependence and usage is no different.What is diferent is now you dont have to spam key 1 to do normal atacks, instead you can plan and use several skills(since you dont have to count stamina anymore) in rotation to keep maximizing your dps.If a DD is standing there only AA and TP skill that dd sucks. As simple as that.Is not to diferent from ffxi battle type.
Slowing down the pace of battle Maybe, but it brings a new type of strategy gameplay, or think before to do .spaming ( with few second interval to save stamina) to me, it was boring as hell.To be honest as gladi i barely had stamina left to do normal atacks with so many skills to use, i find the change refreshing.
And the SP gains are most likely not changing- this matters not , changes nothin.Or to put it in a less nice way . I dont care

these battle changes, for a DD seem to suggest, battle will be less entertaining, take longer outside of battle, (waiting for mp) and overall give you less sp per hour (because it takes longer to kill things).Serge vs strategy battles ?Im sorry but my choice is pretty clear

If these changes slowed battle, but made it more strategic, allowed at optimal playstyle similar level of effeciency, or gave more SP per hard fight, i would be fine with it. But none of that is what these changes suggest. well , apart from the bolded part , is what the notes DO suggest to me.I dont care about the bolded part.

I could be wrong, i guess we ll see in a hour or soNothin wrong having a friendly discussion while we wait for the game

Like i said , the patch gives me a complete opposite view of thins than how you put it.But anyways ill dig and keep a good discussion alive.

See above in red.

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let me explain first of all, the only major difference in DoW classes is the specific abilities, and traits and skills. Most of these came from your basic skill set, that you could use at anytime.

take a look at each of the classes specific skills

PUG flurry, light strike, pummel, seismic shock, simian thrash
by putting heavy counters and altering the usage of light strike pummel and seismic the basic playstyle of pugilist is gone, it went from choosing a defensive or attack style, to having only one playstyle. not to mention, for a class who more than half of skills revolve around tanking, to take the basic tanking skill (light strike), and give it a 30 second timer, seems to counter synergistic skill sets.

MRD the use of broad strike and heavy swing, along with AOE taunts, and AOE WS gave mrd a distinct advantage to keeping hate on multiple mobs, and doing dmg to multiple mobs (if the mobs are close) By being able to use a basic skill as an aoe, they increase tp generation, damage and hate in a group fighting situation. Unfortunately with the old claiming system, this only really came into play in Leves, but even that distinct playstyle is now getting diminished

LNC hasnt lost that much, the new reliance on AA tp generation makes speed surge probably even better, and pierce is the only thing to suffer. While it did give great tp, the new tp dependent playstyle favors them more with speed surge, and with native timers on invigorate and comrade in arms.

Arc has taken the least losses, only thing of import being the long multishot recast timer, but with trifurcate and thier other skills, it will probably still feel unique.

so with only 4 DD, now 3 of them will play pretty similarly, except 1 will be better at it, because it will have way faster tp generation. Not to mention the nerfs have impaired the two classes who took the biggest hits tank potential.

so now we are down to 1 good tank, 3 DDs who play even more similarly to before, except 1 has a distinct advantage. and 1 DD that plays different.

that is less unique than before by far. making a couple big WS class specific is not adding class uniqueness, having basic playstyle differences makes class uniqueness. Instead of enhancing it, this patch diminishes it For DD.

as far as serge versus stategy battles, the key is to reward strategic battles, slowing combat doesnt equal more strategic battles, adding skills, and abilities that alter the flow of combat and enemy potential, as well as giving monsters more tools is what makes more strategic combat. Mp management for WHM is now a bigger deal, thats the only facet of these changes that has added more strategy, and thats fine, but even at peak effeciency, a WHM will have downtime, i know call con whm, because that is what they will be forced to be at all times now. The costs of Heal spells will leave them no time for anything else, and no one will be inviting a con to a party to DD, because there is no longer any other feasible option for curing.

ahhhh back to the searching for whm party style.... yay... and 1 tank only..... and waiting for mp......

This sums my feelings up fairly well.

I'd say to anyone complaining about the delays: this is what the players asked for. We didnt want spam fests. Well now we cant spam anything. Players win again!

"Be careful what you wish for".
Mr. Genie

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Originally Posted by Jabo

Ever thought that a warrior class shouldn't be good at healing?

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They're not; that's why there's a system called class affinity in the game.

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Originally Posted by Jabo

Or that playing solo in an MMORPG shouldn't be very efficient?

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It's not, because you can't do difficult levequests, dungeons or kill NMs unless you're significantly higher level than the content. This rule is true for every single MMORPG out there.

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Originally Posted by Jabo

Or that a healing spell for a warrior class is a exception, a bonus and not a necessity

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What about Paladins? Not really sure where you were going with this statement.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Right now, there's *no* need for a Conjurer or Thaumaturge in many parties; you can just equip a couple of their spells on your Marauder / Archer and be done with it; it marginalized many classes, or made most classes feel homogenized in many ways (every class could equip / use almost all the skills from other classes).

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That's the point of the skill system and an advertised feature of FFXIV, (which they're slowly going to change. Again, another advertised feature of FFXIV being thrown away.) The ability to mix and match skills from every job.

Again, the reason why class affinity exists. Skills used by the designated classes will be significantly more potent than if you used it on a different class. If they were looking to nerf this even further for some reason, they could've rebalanced it for mage skills being used on DoW classes only, not done something this insane.

As for not needing dedicated healers, there is a con alongside of the reduced effectiveness of mage skills on non mage jobs: You cannot AoE cast them with them. Now Cure and Sacrifice aren't AoE anymore (which actually nerfs dedicated healers due to non AoE regen), but we might actually be able to AoE cast heal with Curaga on DoW classes. If anything, that further defeats the point of dedicated healers! I'll have to logon and see, but arguments supporting this mp cost change this are becoming partially invalid now in regards to "it made dedicated healers useless".

The change, until I confirm it ingame, did nothing but wreck solo players. Unless SP gain got a sigificant boost for defeating lower level mobs, then I probably won't be able to level anymore.

Oh and, for the record, I don't grind. I used to in FFXI, but playing RPGs for 20 years makes you end up hating grinding.


Edit: Just got back from a 5 minute test. Auto attack will take some heavy getting used to, especially on mages (they smack things with their weapon now.. meaning you have to be in melee range); the icons are ridiculous and harder to 'read' now, the cure mp increase is insane and it looks like I won't be able to kill anything above my level.

Three cheer's for multiple new ws animations :D Lnc got 3, mrd got 1, arch got 1, and glad got 1^^ Miss any? :P

Nobody dat mined the swimsuits yet?

You make me sad, Pinky.

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Originally Posted by Physic

let me explain first of all, the only major difference in DoW classes is the specific abilities, and traits and skills. Most of these came from your basic skill set, that you could use at anytime.

take a look at each of the classes specific skills

PUG flurry, light strike, pummel, seismic shock, simian thrash
by putting heavy counters and altering the usage of light strike pummel and seismic the basic playstyle of pugilist is gone, it went from choosing a defensive or attack style, to having only one playstyle. not to mention, for a class who more than half of skills revolve around tanking, to take the basic tanking skill (light strike), and give it a 30 second timer, seems to counter synergistic skill sets.



MRD the use of broad strike and heavy swing, along with AOE taunts, and AOE WS gave mrd a distinct advantage to keeping hate on multiple mobs, and doing dmg to multiple mobs (if the mobs are close) By being able to use a basic skill as an aoe, they increase tp generation, damage and hate in a group fighting situation. Unfortunately with the old claiming system, this only really came into play in Leves, but even that distinct playstyle is now getting diminished

LNC hasnt lost that much, the new reliance on AA tp generation makes speed surge probably even better, and pierce is the only thing to suffer. While it did give great tp, the new tp dependent playstyle favors them more with speed surge, and with native timers on invigorate and comrade in arms.

Arc has taken the least losses, only thing of import being the long multishot recast timer, but with trifurcate and thier other skills, it will probably still feel unique.

so with only 4 DD, now 3 of them will play pretty similarly, except 1 will be better at it, because it will have way faster tp generation. Not to mention the nerfs have impaired the two classes who took the biggest hits tank potential.

so now we are down to 1 good tank, 3 DDs who play even more similarly to before, except 1 has a distinct advantage. and 1 DD that plays different.

that is less unique than before by far. making a couple big WS class specific is not adding class uniqueness, having basic playstyle differences makes class uniqueness. Instead of enhancing it, this patch diminishes it For DD.

as far as serge versus stategy battles, the key is to reward strategic battles, slowing combat doesnt equal more strategic battles, adding skills, and abilities that alter the flow of combat and enemy potential, as well as giving monsters more tools is what makes more strategic combat. Mp management for WHM is now a bigger deal, thats the only facet of these changes that has added more strategy, and thats fine, but even at peak effeciency, a WHM will have downtime, i know call con whm, because that is what they will be forced to be at all times now. The costs of Heal spells will leave them no time for anything else, and no one will be inviting a con to a party to DD, because there is no longer any other feasible option for curing.

ahhhh back to the searching for whm party style.... yay... and 1 tank only..... and waiting for mp......

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So in short.

Pug and MRD got the short end of the update , yet the rest of the classes got way more identity.

I have mrd as second main and i can live with that.im sure if it falls short , it will be balanced .

And on the subject about mages, they were overpowered, and sorry but the game have been super-mega-eazy.IN ALL aspects.Also , it have been rewarding bad game play and mechanics.

If i have to depend on having to look for a con to do anything as the price to pay to have a challenging (not time consuming challenging , but dificulty wise )and not zerg everythin type of battle.

SO BE IT.

I think the pros outdo the cons , by far.

i might not agree with your reasoning but i can understand were you are coming from, at the very least think this is the first mayor change , if its really unbalanced , more tweak tweak tweak , tweak some more. hey we got it right.This is how MMORPG balance classes.Normally.

But this mayor overhaul was 150% necessary.

And the servers are up!! wooo!!!

Edit: wow, the camera is so much faster.

thats cool, wish i could play, still 9 hours ..

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I've been on for about 5 minutes in town already and I literally haven't had any stuttering, even in ul'dah with 30+ people around me. Could that have been fixed!?

Can someone post link for torrent or w/e... I really dont want to have to wait until tomorrow night to play ...

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Originally Posted by Synric

Can someone post link for torrent or w/e... I really dont want to have to wait until tomorrow night to play ...

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Just sea the patch name , somewhere and do what you would.
Bha they moderate any more info.
But i cant be any more clear anyways.
Installing now , < excitement >

I'm just gonna say this: everybody use torrent NOW!!!! xD it gave me a solid 400 KB/s download speed while SE updater gave me a mere 20 KB/s

It tells me when logging in to my world "This world is currently experiencing unusually heavy traffic placed in login Queue 48:"

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Originally Posted by Corinthius

It tells me when logging in to my world "This world is currently experiencing unusually heavy traffic placed in login Queue 48:"

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damn lol, if i get that im going to bed.
beta dejavu

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Originally Posted by Corinthius

It tells me when logging in to my world "This world is currently experiencing unusually heavy traffic placed in login Queue 48:"

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It just times you out and doesn't actively count down, the queue... kinda stupid >.<

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I'm concerned about the healing situation.. So cures/sacrifice are single target now? *edit* There are AoEs, I ready too fast* If we're imposing huge MP penalties on cure/sacrifice AND making them single target, does that mean we need 3-4 healers in an 8 man party just to keep up with heavy damage?

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This worries me too. Sacrifice aoe was pretty good. And when doing NMs aoe heal pretty was the only type of heal used so we might as well get rid of sacrifice altogether. At least i probably will on macros. Why would i want to use sacri when Cure doesnt even need HP unlike Sacrifice ><

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Also, we're not getting much SP for linking at all anymore AND we have a forced wait between Behests?

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the new behest is probably the dungeons lol. 5min wait and limited party participation. Get ready to do the 'nyzul click'

Are the servers up yet, I can't connect to lobby server

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0pbT9lVFag ..."Looks Good!"

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Originally Posted by Davorok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0pbT9lVFag ..."Looks Good!"

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rofl, wasn't that episode earlier this week? I can't quite remember :D

ok, I don't care f this doesn't go here, this new update is bs. Really? Conj/ Thaum? Have you even tried playing the classes before you released patch 1.18? So many glitches within the first leve I have to back out! Second leve, I dont wanna even mention, I dont feel like typing all this horse crap when i have to go to work the next morning. see ya next year maybe SE

why its this patch downloading so incredibly slow ?

does anyone has the same problem?

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Originally Posted by korachy

does anyone has the same problem?

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Go search for a direct download or just use a torrent client like utorrent.

can you tell me where can i find a direct download ..pleaseeeee.... :(