Just got this game...

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I play FFXI. I know all about grinding. Thing is in that game I have endless goals to reach and things to see, but not in this one. I can grind classes to 50 for what? Make millions of gil for what? Explore what? There's just nothing there right now. In FFXI I grind to 18 to unlock subjobs, 20 to unlock my chocobo/do garrison, 25 to do eco warrior, 30 to unlock my advanced jobs/start CoP, 40 to do missions up to rank 5/get airship access/run BCNM bosses, 50 to break the level cap/do campaign, 60 to get my AF armor/pvp/start zilart missions/get rank 6, 65 to unlock Dynamis/Sky access, and 75 for basically everything else. I can keep going because I know the further I go the more new and exciting shit awaits me. What can I grind for in XIV? To slay a few NMs for a lame reward? Then what? Can't even do leves in Mor Dhona.

MMOs are only great when you have a bunch of friends to play with, but they'll all quit if there's nothing to do in the game.

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Well one huge thing you are missing here, is what you described in FFXI was YEARS after release. Not months. All that kind of content will be here eventually and even more I'm sure. This game is worth playing, it is not worth Rushing to end. Maybe in about a year or 2, then you will deem this FFXI like with more content. But until then enjoy what we have keep giving constructive feedback to the forums and be patient. The game gets better with every patch even though I don't agree with some patches, it still makes the game more enjoyable to most.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i love the route tanaka was taking this game as in away from the other mmo's, but hate that yoshi is going right back to it. i got the game because i love the armory system and the possibilities it has, but due to poor implementation and a massive group takeover that system, that could be great, is being destroyed. i did not get xi due to i am not a fan of the subjob system no more than i am a fan of the wow trees.

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The problem with Tanaka's direction was that he was taking it way too far from other MMOs. There are genre-defining systems at this point that people expect from MMOs. There are things that work in other games for a reason and most of the unique systems that the original team came up with fell flat on their face. Good on paper, poor execution. I'm all for innovation and trying different things but there is a base that needs to be established first.

Yoshida is putting in those things from other MMOs that work, the things that have become genre-defining. He's establishing that base of things that people expect from both Final Fantasy and the MMO genre. After that we'll see what happens, I like where it's going myself though.

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Originally Posted by AuctionGirl

Well one huge thing you are missing here, is what you described in FFXI was YEARS after release. Not months. All that kind of content will be here eventually and even more I'm sure. This game is worth playing, it is not worth Rushing to end. Maybe in about a year or 2, then you will deem this FFXI like with more content. But until then enjoy what we have keep giving constructive feedback to the forums and be patient. The game gets better with every patch even though I don't agree with some patches, it still makes the game more enjoyable to most.

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Then maybe in about a year or two, I will deem this game worthy of recommending to someone, but right now, they'd be better of saving their money. Aion and Rift both released with much more to do. Not saying they're amazing games by any means but XIV released in a buggy, alpha state with no content and while some big improvements have been made, I'd say it's worthy of closed beta status at best at the moment.

Well at the current time, I would tell everyone thinking about trying the game to wait for about another month or so. I wouldn't say this due to the game's quality(which has improved a lot) as much as it's because A LOT of changes that are going to shape the game for potentially the rest of its lifespan are going to be happening soon(introduction of companies, changes to the battle and class system as well as crafting, potential changes to zones).

While chances are that you'll enjoy the game in its current state, there are so many things on the horizon that the game will probably feel very different than it currently does, so you should take that into account.

That being said, there ARE a bunch of things happening right now in game that is apparently leading into these changes(which are apparently apocalyptic in scale), so maybe someone might want to get into that.

Me personally? I'm cool with waiting a bit.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The problem with Tanaka's direction was that he was taking it way too far from other MMOs. There are genre-defining systems at this point that people expect from MMOs. There are things that work in other games for a reason and most of the unique systems that the original team came up with fell flat on their face. Good on paper, poor execution. I'm all for innovation and trying different things but there is a base that needs to be established first.

Yoshida is putting in those things from other MMOs that work, the things that have become genre-defining. He's establishing that base of things that people expect from both Final Fantasy and the MMO genre. After that we'll see what happens, I like where it's going myself though.

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no the problem with tanaka was se rushed out a product that was only partially complete and used him as a fall guy. the knee jerk reaction to shut people up was to put in yoshi. yoshi is destroying the things that alot of people wanted when we purchased the game. if you like a game that 5 year old kids can kill mobs in your party then yoshi is doing that correctly. i'm wrong? i'll have video my 5 year old son playing my thm against the goblin nm in one of my static parties to see if he can do it................he can. he's done it more than once.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The problem with Tanaka's direction was that he was taking it way too far from other MMOs. There are genre-defining systems at this point that people expect from MMOs. There are things that work in other games for a reason and most of the unique systems that the original team came up with fell flat on their face. Good on paper, poor execution. I'm all for innovation and trying different things but there is a base that needs to be established first.

Yoshida is putting in those things from other MMOs that work, the things that have become genre-defining. He's establishing that base of things that people expect from both Final Fantasy and the MMO genre. After that we'll see what happens, I like where it's going myself though.

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i dont think anything with wrong with his direction, and the game isnt really THAT different, i do think they released a very buggy game, with not much content, which, in some theories of MMO development could have worked, but only if they had rapid fixes, and rapid content, that has not shown to be the case, the game is 7 months old, and they still havent fixed all the base bugs, though they did come a way. (not talking bout the changes or even content here, just the bugs and errors, and bare bones stuff)

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no the problem with tanaka was se rushed out a product that was only partially complete and used him as a fall guy. the knee jerk reaction to shut people up was to put in yoshi. yoshi is destroying the things that alot of people wanted when we purchased the game. if you like a game that 5 year old kids can kill mobs in your party then yoshi is doing that correctly. i'm wrong? i'll have video my 5 year old son playing my thm against the goblin nm in one of my static parties to see if he can do it................he can. he's done it more than once.

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the goblin was implemented on Tanaka's time lol

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

the goblin was implemented on Tanaka's time lol

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and was nerfed on yoshi's.....................which was my point. he took the only high end content and made it to where 5 year olds could do it.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no the problem with tanaka was se rushed out a product that was only partially complete and used him as a fall guy. the knee jerk reaction to shut people up was to put in yoshi. yoshi is destroying the things that alot of people wanted when we purchased the game. if you like a game that 5 year old kids can kill mobs in your party then yoshi is doing that correctly. i'm wrong? i'll have video my 5 year old son playing my thm against the goblin nm in one of my static parties to see if he can do it................he can. he's done it more than once.

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The game just needs to be more challenging. I'm fine with the systems as they are myself but I can also see the need for improvement. I think they can come up with something better than both XI and XIV's current systems.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

and was nerfed on yoshi's.....................which was my point. he took the only high end content and made it to where 5 year olds could do it.

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i guess i get your point, im not sure what was his decision or thinking regarding this matters because i am sure the devs team already knows how easy the NMs are and how broken stuff like emulate is (but they didnt nerf it down, which is what people expect before 1.16 went live), but i am not gonna judge Yoshi til he put out the NMs/instances he promised us.