WAR vs PLD HP values and EHP.

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Originally Posted by Titancleaver

My point still stands and I'm guessing your only point was to explain how the absorbation shield worked for people who didn't know?

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It was to point out that simply asking for an absorption shield wouldn't do anything. To be useful, a mitigation mechanism needs to scale with incoming damage. As long as there are no one-shot mechanics, you can create an effective self-healing tank that doesn't use absorb shields as long as said self-healing scales with incoming damage rather than gear. It's more important that the mitigation mechanism *scales* rather than whether it's proactive or reactive. Proactive is still *better*, but it's not the most important part.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

It was to point out that simply asking for an absorption shield wouldn't do anything. To be useful, a mitigation mechanism needs to scale with incoming damage. As long as there are no one-shot mechanics, you can create an effective self-healing tank that doesn't use absorb shields as long as said self-healing scales with incoming damage rather than gear. It's more important that the mitigation mechanism *scales* rather than whether it's proactive or reactive. Proactive is still *better*, but it's not the most important part.

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This is the main problem with Foresight. :( I'm sure folks with Allagan gear drops see a huge increase in Foresight's damage mitigation. Anything less than that and it's a paper shield. You're better off going with "Resistance" type gear that blocks "Blunt" "Slashing" etc. Because that does scale with damage.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

It was to point out that simply asking for an absorption shield wouldn't do anything. To be useful, a mitigation mechanism needs to scale with incoming damage. As long as there are no one-shot mechanics, you can create an effective self-healing tank that doesn't use absorb shields as long as said self-healing scales with incoming damage rather than gear. It's more important that the mitigation mechanism *scales* rather than whether it's proactive or reactive. Proactive is still *better*, but it's not the most important part.

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I was thinking that anyone with some sense of logic would understand, nice to see you did. You're probably right about the self-healing as well, how it could work as you describe it. Yes, I agree proactive is definetly better, and you're also right for pointing out that it's not the most important part. Also good to see that we're in fact on the same page.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

This is the main problem with Foresight. :( I'm sure folks with Allagan gear drops see a huge increase in Foresight's damage mitigation. Anything less than that and it's a paper shield. You're better off going with "Resistance" type gear that blocks "Blunt" "Slashing" etc. Because that does scale with damage.

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Someone did the math and found that Foresight provides ~5% physical DR, regardless of how much armor you've got thanks to the DR on physical defense. The problem with Foresight isn't that it doesn't scale; it does. The problem is that it contributes so little even though it *does* scale that you're pretty much never going to notice it.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Someone did the math and found that Foresight provides ~5% physical DR, regardless of how much armor you've got thanks to the DR on physical defense. The problem with Foresight isn't that it doesn't scale; it does. The problem is that it contributes so little even though it *does* scale that you're pretty much never going to notice it.

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Thanks for clarifying more just how Bleh Foresight is and why I still think it's a waste of BAR.

I have another question too. I put a lot of Determination on one of my gear sets. Do people know if the 15% more HP recovered by Spells off Wrath V scales with Determination? Or is it a flat X player cured you for 100 at Wrath V so you are cured for 115. I would be hopeful that if you're of higher DET, you would get a higher Cure as well as a 15% top on that as well.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Do people know if the 15% more HP recovered by Spells off Wrath V scales with Determination?

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Defiance is listed as an offensive stat. That, combined with the wording of the stat description, indicate it should only be affecting outgoing heals not incoming heals.

People are unaware currently if Determination helps with incoming healing, or if it is only outgoing healing.

Wont warriors scale better than paladins as itemization level continues to increase?

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Originally Posted by Coramac

Defiance is listed as an offensive stat. That, combined with the wording of the stat description, indicate it should only be affecting outgoing heals not incoming heals.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

People are unaware currently if Determination helps with incoming healing, or if it is only outgoing healing.

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So basically this is either the most important Off-Stat for a WAR.... or it's not.

Determination was figured to be equated to 2 points equaling 1 of an offensive stat if I recall correctly...