Vanya vs. Darklight vs. AF2?

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Originally Posted by Maphyr

Player skill carries far more weight when it comes to healing than your precious spell speed stat. Reaction time and critical descion making are far more potent than a "hundredths of second" faster cast. Which I might add that hundreth of a second fast cast cost millions of gil... yeah.. not convincing me anytime soon.

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Okay... and I am typically the healer 'that has done the most healing' anytime I'm parsed...to the point that my FC mates joke that 'KK heals like Jesus'...so again, keep assuming I am compensating etc. I'm just telling you straight up, spell speed is more helpful in a critical party moment than 'the off-chance this next cast will crit'.

Crit is more important for DD. Pure and simple.

Mind, Spell Speed, Accuracy, Det and PIE are all more important to keeping the party alive. Crit is the last thing a WHM should care about...not the first.

SCH can debate the practicality of Crit as it helps their 'Shield Pot' but again since you can't control it, it's not as useful IMO as a 'hard stat upgrade ' is like Mind/Pie Spell Speed etc.

Oh, and I spent 0 gil on my gear. It is possible to just spend time.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

Mind, Spell Speed, Accuracy, Det and PIE are all more important to keeping the party alive. Crit is the last thing a WHM should care about...not the first.

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My only concern with this debate is both sides are presenting their opinion as fact. This is not fact. This is your opinion. I would like to offer some facts in this discussion here:

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id...alingmechanics

First, you'll notice that accuracy is not in the healer's toolbox. Accuracy is not needed as our heals automatically hit. As such, accuracy is the last thing a healer could use. Mind and Determination directly increase healing. Those are the two stats healers want to prioritize. After that, Piety likely comes second as it directly changes how many heals you can use. The good news is that all healer items have main stats of Vitaility, Mind, and Piety. Most iLevel 90 gear have equal amounts of all of these (WHM Allagan does, Relic+1 doesn't have Piety, for example).

So, then your stat choices become Determination, Critical hit rate, and spell speed.

Determination directly affects every heal, but it loses efficacy as it boosts in small numbers.
Speed speed affects every heal through number of heals, but it loses efficacy in lag, skill variables, and MP.
Crit affects every heal through chance of a bigger heal, but it loses efficacy due to probability and RNG.

Each has its drawbacks, but it looks like each does not account for a massive part of your healing. Most of your healing output will come from Mind, Determination, and Damage. The rest is individual flavoring.

[QUOTE=Kinseykinz;1337207]Okay... and I am typically the healer 'that has done the most healing' anytime I'm parsed...to the point that my FC mates joke that 'KK heals like Jesus'...so again, keep assuming I am compensating etc. I'm just telling you straight up, spell speed is more helpful in a critical party moment than 'the off-chance this next cast will crit'.




just saying, parsers dont mean anything "just because you do the most" lol... healing parsers are so easy to skew. Crit is something some healers (like me as a sch) want over spell speed. dont talk like your word is god (see what i did there?) and i've done up to turn 5 of coil with darlight gear without wasting any money on expensive as hell vanya.

Just a quick question for those who are wearing HQ Vanya Robe of Healing:

Is it hard to HQ this recipe? Did you use all HQ materials in the synthesis?

Many thanks.

lol @ anyone saying crit > spell speed. do some math, get better at the game.

spell speed increases throughput and makes you more mobile. Just by decreasing GCD from 2.5 to 2.4 you get 1 extra heal per minute. That's without even trying to stack spell speed. Stacking crit means you are either a) relying on luck to be good or b) unnecessarily increasing emnity.

For SCH emnity isnt an issue, and a decent mix of both crit and spell speed is good for us. it's not "get better at the game" its "what do you prefer for your class" some people like me want crit over spell speed because its really nice to hit those 500 succors or 1k+ adloqiums but thats just me. maybe for a whm SpS is better but its just prefrence really.

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Originally Posted by Celsius

For SCH emnity isnt an issue, and a decent mix of both crit and spell speed is good for us. it's not "get better at the game" its "what do you prefer for your class" some people like me want crit over spell speed because its really nice to hit those 500 succors or 1k+ adloqiums but thats just me. maybe for a whm SpS is better but its just prefrence really.

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Sorry I should have mentioned that my comments were directed only for WHMs. I agree crit can be quite useful for SCH, assuming that the shields will crit aslo. And SCH is already more mobile than WHM, so spell speed is less important. Does spell speed affect pet casts for SCH?

I am actually curious aswell, though i think its on a flat cast/recast. something i need to look into

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

lol @ anyone saying crit > spell speed. do some math, get better at the game.

spell speed increases throughput and makes you more mobile. Just by decreasing GCD from 2.5 to 2.4 you get 1 extra heal per minute. That's without even trying to stack spell speed. Stacking crit means you are either a) relying on luck to be good or b) unnecessarily increasing emnity.

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Having an extra heal per minute isn't as great compared to a crit regen imo, or a crit+divine seal medica 2. You're implying that by anyone not going spell speed they are in-fact "horrible". As Cainejw said it's all a matter of preference. You like having an extra heal that could be lost in-between lag and I like having crit heals.

You apply regen once ever 21 seconds. How often does regen crit now? If you do the maths, it is not preference, but keep telling yourself that.