[Graphic Update Feedback] Female Roegadyn Eyes

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Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana

Awww they reduced the philtrum, I'm sad. :(

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We never used to have a philtrum, period, and it made the faces very off-model to what had been known for 10 years by the rollout of DT when we got it. I'm personally very glad it's gone, but maybe expanded CC 8.0 might see adjustments like it return for people who liked it?

It's actually still there, I was worried the philtrum would be flat and non existant, so It's great.
But when it comes to the eyes I hope they won't change them, the dead fish eyes without proper pupils is disturbing.

We will have to agree to disagree there re: the eyes. The coloured pupils were very enchanting and mysterious, they were never dead looking. Again, hoping that if they ever do the expanded CC circa 8.0 that options will be there for people who want the black pupils, but the majority of femroe players I've seen both leaving feedback and discussing it in the community who aren't happy with the change to the eyes do want them back—especially when other races got to have them on some faces and they look GORGEOUS.

https://i.imgur.com/VdIWX3h.png

https://i.imgur.com/aV5oSTs.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/rSNj1YV.png

You absolutely cannot achieve these eye-looks with the black pupil now. The near glow they had in certain lighting originally was incredible. Some emotes still look pretty off because of the deep black pupil given how femroe eyes squint during most happy expressions.

https://i.imgur.com/nhmRLLk.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/ooNPhn3.jpeg

I'm one Roe player that really miss the old eyes.. I have even RP reasons for wanting them since i used a fantasia to alter the color from blue to white when i reached a certain point in the main story sometimes before dawntrail launched. It gave off that sort of blind effect that i don't really have now with the black.
I'm not even that old of a roe player and got to like experience them for maybe 2-3 weeks before the change.

and unrelated.. but looks like that particular hairstyle still got issue of floating over the head so another thing they didn't fix yet... I wonder if the other long roegadyn hair is the same.

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Originally Posted by Moxxi

and unrelated.. but looks like that particular hairstyle still got issue of floating over the head so another thing they didn't fix yet... I wonder if the other long roegadyn hair is the same.

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Yeah aha - it's always been a janky hairstyle and it certainly has suffered in the update, even just the part at the left ear retained it's poor finishing that's been there since 2.0, but I'm so used to that I can live with it.
Haven't checked the other hair myself but suspect if this one still has the floating situ it does too (beards also still are off the face so I wonder if they'll look at meshing closer in 7.2?)

And I also concur re: RP reasons for the eyes. My 2nd main is based off having severe lightblight and she looked haunting and beautiful with the coloured pupils making everything look a lot paler overall.
Still happy we have the shape mesh fixed it's a good step forward, but yeah.

The eyes and philtrum are slightly better than they were before but I still think EW is better. Good to see progress but I hope it doesn't stop here.

I miss the old eyes, too. No lore reasons or anything, just... that's how I was used to seeing her. The difference in contrast is still weird to me even several months later, and I'm using the darkest shade of red for eye colour so it's not even that much different in my case.

I almost want to say the coloured pupils had a 'softer' look to them. But then again, I'm one of those people who are werid about eye contact (including characters on a screen - can I just say the fact the characters stare straight at you when you open gpose is awful??), so maybe it's just the fact they less resembled human eyes making me more comfortable.

Either way, it's a pretty drastic change to the visuals, especially for those who had lighter eye colours. I understand it may have been due to technical constraints initially which is fair enough... but why change it now, when people are used to how it used to be? Honestly this whole graphical update feels like it was created by someone who had their own headcanons about how the races should look, rather than someone just trying to create a higher fidelity version of the old models and textures...

It wouldn't even be that difficult to change, either. Just add a bit of eye colour choice influence to the pupils. It still exists on some races and some specific faces. But apparently it wasn't to the new artist's "spec"... But it very much was mine.

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Originally Posted by azaleai

I almost want to say the coloured pupils had a 'softer' look to them. (...) Either way, it's a pretty drastic change to the visuals, especially for those who had lighter eye colours. I understand it may have been due to technical constraints initially which is fair enough... but why change it now, when people are used to how it used to be? Honestly this whole graphical update feels like it was created by someone who had their own headcanons about how the races should look, rather than someone just trying to create a higher fidelity version of the old models and textures...

It wouldn't even be that difficult to change, either. Just add a bit of eye colour choice influence to the pupils. It still exists on some races and some specific faces. But apparently it wasn't to the new artist's "spec"... But it very much was mine.

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Hard agree with all of this!
And we know the coloured pupils work in current "spec" for their vision. Imagine my surprise (and anger at the time) when I saw the partner NPC for the healer role quests, a highlander, has these for her eyes:

https://i.imgur.com/OD3a8H9.jpeg
(This cap was taken during 7.0 base, I haven't confirmed if f!highlander face 4 has kept these eyes in 7.1, but I know m!roe face 2 still have theirs, and there is a f!elezen face that had them as of 7.0 as well but unsure which one.)

The softer look is beautiful and I hope we'll get it back on femroe. I plan on supplying further detailed feedback again JP side, I've refused to back down even when it felt like there was zero hope. Still in shock we even were adjusted in 7.1 (and grateful).

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Originally Posted by faiarrow

(This cap was taken during 7.0 base, I haven't confirmed if f!highlander face 4 has kept these eyes in 7.1, but I know m!roe face 2 still have theirs, and there is a f!elezen face that had them as of 7.0 as well but unsure which one.)

The softer look is beautiful and I hope we'll get it back on femroe. I plan on supplying further detailed feedback again JP side, I've refused to back down even when it felt like there was zero hope. Still in shock we even were adjusted in 7.1 (and grateful).

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I actaully only just got around to finishing those quests today and can confirm, still there! Her eyes appear to be around the same shade as my poor alt's eyes are but I haven't really touched her since my motivation to play has been lacking, so I haven't seen how jarring that is yet...

Good luck conveying the feedback onto the JP side, if you end up wanting for any other comparisons or diagrams, I'd be happy to help!

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Originally Posted by azaleai

I actaully only just got around to finishing those quests today and can confirm, still there! Her eyes appear to be around the same shade as my poor alt's eyes are but I haven't really touched her since my motivation to play has been lacking, so I haven't seen how jarring that is yet...

Good luck conveying the feedback onto the JP side, if you end up wanting for any other comparisons or diagrams, I'd be happy to help!

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Thank you!
With your permission I might use your diagram of the normal maps (we will get our true brows back, the base sculpting is there we just need the faux 3D data via the map now) you posted in the main graphics thread if that's OK? Would be fantastic to go alongside anything else I do diagram wise.