Relic News - 6.45

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

>Implying that any relic sans the original 2.0 ARR relic that involved Hard mode primals had you working hard.

The term you're looking for is 'time consuming / random for the sake of slowing progression and not for any kind of actual challenge.' Plenty of the steps of old relics are even more monotonous than grinding tomes are. Jumping between two different FATEs in Outer la noscea killing two bosses that had absolutely zero chance to kill you to get that atma of the lion with a massive horde of players zerging them was truly engaging content.

Or spamming the exact same instance 1000x because it's the 'optimal' route was truly riveting. Least with the current relic you could challenge yourself to entirely farm the 1500 tomes entirely off of extreme trials & savage new player bonuses if you wanted to make this relic chain the hardest relic chain ever.

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Dunno what to tell you, I enjoyed the ARR grind. I just like that type of progression. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

My opinion but I feel doing FATEs with some form of RNG attached to it is more engaging than doing the same dailies that we do every day. It felt like more effort was involved than the gutted version of a relic grind we have now where everything is basically handed to you. If that's fun or rewarding enough for you, cool. Go enjoy it. Let the rest of us voice the valid complaints we have. For me, it's incredibly boring and is honestly making me consider just going full force on savage for next tier just to avoid doing it, which is really sad as relics were/are my favorite part of the game.

I'm also just irritated in general that it was said this grind would be similar to HWs and none of that has really come to fruition. When I think of HW, I don't think of exchanging tomestomes for every single step.

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I honestly expected to be accused of strawmaning. If you like fate grinding that's nice and all but if you think fates is hard work and not auto-piloting to the max then this is why the devs dont listen to you.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I honestly expected to be accused of strawmaning. If you like fate grinding that's nice and all but if you think fates is hard work and not auto-piloting to the max then this is why the devs dont listen to you.

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Glad I could prove your random assumption wrong. C:

Let's just meet in the middle and say both are absolutely mindless and the devs should create something that isn't or at least incorporate harder aspects into the grind at later steps. As it stands right now, they're nothing else other than a new tome weapon and don't deserve the title of relic.

ill just copy/paste what i put in another thread on the topic xD:

When they listen to people who don't like relic grinds, this is what we get.

Also this isn't just an issue of it being "lazy" or "daily roulette" grind. It is also just bad game design. They already use the previous tome for a lot of avenues already. There's a reason why crafting mats/pots/food went up in price when 6.35 released another tome step. They are hesitant to mess with the economy when it comes to bumping savage out a week, but don't have an issue with toying with crafting prices by funneling more things into tomes?

Wonderful. At least one expansion without stupid relic grinds in endless zones. It’s nice to finally have a change.

Surprising? Nay.

Disappointing? Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Tulvi

Wonderful. At least one expansion without stupid relic grinds in endless zones. It’s nice to finally have a change.

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Let me correct that for you

"wonderful, at least one expansion that you dont have to do anything at all"

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So much for all the white knights saying "it's only the 1st step guys !!" "it's only the 2nd step guys !!"

a la wow

"it's only alpha guys"
"its only beta guys"
"its only release guys"
"its only x.5 guys"
etc

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This was never my take, but I still just don't care. Such a massive time sink for what is essentially glamour isn't the best use of my time in game, nor is it any fun. I always think of light farming with the zodiac and atma weapons as some of the worst requirements ever conceived to progress a relic weapon.

I'd much rather target primal weapons, and find they would be a better alternate BiS weapon to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This was never my take, but I still just don't care. Such a massive time sink for what is essentially glamour isn't the best use of my time in game, nor is it any fun. I always think of light farming with the zodiac and atma weapons as some of the worst requirements ever conceived to progress a relic weapon.

I'd much rather target primal weapons, and find they would be a better alternate BiS weapon to obtain.

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Didn't you just make a fictional grind for no reason not too long ago just because you didn't have anything to do? How is a relic not better than that?

i like tge concept of it... what i dont like is what content are we supposed to do while getting the relic weapon? daily roulette.... aka sastasha, crysalis, msq dungeon, alexander and especially crystal tower over and over and over again is not engaging

edit: i forgot expert roulette. this one is fun because its lvl 90 and the two.... uh nevermind, its not much better than the rest after 2-3 weeks