Toxic DPS

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

No you aren't. By refusing to take mobs off the DPS you actively aren't doing your job. If your healer friend isn't yet comfortable with healing, don't queue into healer level dungeons and force the DPS to comply. What you're essentially doing is demanding the DPS conform and you've ensured anyone who steps out of line can be easily kicked.

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What a load of dribble mate.

And I suppose you were immediately capable of tanking/healing wall to wall pulls, without issue and without compromise, the first time you ever played the jobs in ffxiv?

Of course you were.

There are 4 people in a dungeon, if only one of them is actively upsetting the balance and causing issues for the other 3, who exactly is the problem?

What gives a selfish dps the right to throw the rest of the party into chaos?

Maybe I should start pulling up all the sub par dps players I get in 95% of my dungeon runs and tell them that if they are not up to performing their role to a high degree then they shouldn't waste my time by queueing up?

Like I said, I am more than happy to let idiots like that die.

If you need to go out of your way to prove to your team that you're actually the tank, then you're probably not much of a tank.

Genuinely inexperienced tanks don't get hung up with such pretenses. It's the middle part of the Dunning-Kruger curve that's the problem.

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Originally Posted by DarkDredgen

There are 4 people in a dungeon, if only one of them is actively upsetting the balance and causing issues for the other 3, who exactly is the problem?

What gives a selfish dps the right to throw the rest of the party into chaos?

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I mean pot meets kettle much? the tank that won't w2w pull is upsetting the balance and causing issues for the rest of the party that just wants to get the dungeon done, get the exp/ tomes/ glam or whatever else, if anything the selfish person is the tank taking away something tangible, peoples time, wasting it by 10-15 minutes more than is needed. Inexperience is a piss poor excuse to not w2w pull, especially when there is so many tools to facilitate it now.

And no tank is gonna learn how to w2w pull by not doing it, so inexperience is less of an excuse, single pulling is nothing short of just lazy gameplay. No healer is gonna learn how to handle w2w pulls, without doing w2w pulls, single trash pulls are a massive waste of healer resources.

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Originally Posted by DarkDredgen

Like I said, I am more than happy to let idiots like that die.

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This is straight up griefing your party and is toxic gameplay, nothing to be proud of.

I think putting an inexperienced healer in a position where they can not cope and causing wipe after wipe will waste more time than single party pulls personally, but that's just me I guess.

I ask you both, who is causing the most grief and being the most toxic in the following scenarios:

A tank who adapts to their party, pulls smaller because the healer is new to avoid completely avoidable wipes.

A small d*** energy DPS who rushes ahead, breaks from the party, despite the above, to pull multiple mobs causing wipes and stress for the rest of the party.

And you two clowns think the tank that adapts is the problem here? I honestly think that some people on this forum are so hell bent on being argumentative for the sake of it that they don't even realise they are talking complete nonsense.

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Originally Posted by DarkDredgen

A small d*** energy DPS who rushes ahead, breaks from the party, despite the above, to pull multiple mobs causing wipes and stress for the rest of the party.

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Because a full pull causes so many wipes and stress for a "big d***" party?

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And you two clowns think the tank that adapts is the problem here?

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Given that your "adapting" is to sabotage and kill your DPS by not doing your job... yes. Most definitely yes.

I personally am curious cause I don't know the answer, but is it actually banable if a tank doesn't take hate off the healer or dps who went and pulled ahead on their own free will?

If it is banable then that's about the dumbest rule I've heard, it's not the tank's fault if a healer or dps feels frisky and jumps ahead, if they make that choice then how is that a tank griefing them? The tank had nothing to do with it, the dps or healer chose themselves to do that and I'm a dps main who enjoys when tanks do big pulls.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

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It is at least a legit reportable case, yes. Your job as a tank is keeping hate on mobs, mitigating damage; in short, keep your party alive within your capability. If you refuse to take aggro from your party members, you are neglecting your job, thus griefing and/or MPK.

@topic: w2w are the norm from lvl 50 dungeons onwards with very few exceptions by reasonable risky pulls, e.g. 2nd pull before the last boss in Dohn Mheg (lvl 73), or by design (forced single pulls). Being in a lvl 70 dungeon, if you don't pull w2w, you are wasting the rest of your party's time for no excuse nor reason. Haven't done any tanking yet, but still join an "endgame dungeon"? Either run a leveling dungeon to learn w2w or be ready for a crash course.

Ultimately, it was your choice to join said dungeon, so either live with the consequences and do your job or bail out!

YOU are the tank, YOU stand in front of your party. If your party gets ahead of you, finally press that sprint button, rush the enemy, hug the wall, and show them how to stand your ground! Personally, I would feel ashamed as a tank if my party gets ahead of me for more than 1 GCD.

imagine waiting a 30m que for dsp and you get a tank that makes the run slow and boring... i main a healer, and if a dps does this while youre doing a 2 mob pull, ill main heal the dps that does it.. i even grab a mob myself...

The day this community learns to type more than 0/ or drop a macro in chat is the day these problems go away.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

I personally am curious cause I don't know the answer, but is it actually banable if a tank doesn't take hate off the healer or dps who went and pulled ahead on their own free will?

If it is banable then that's about the dumbest rule I've heard, it's not the tank's fault if a healer or dps feels frisky and jumps ahead, if they make that choice then how is that a tank griefing them? The tank had nothing to do with it, the dps or healer chose themselves to do that and I'm a dps main who enjoys when tanks do big pulls.

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If DPS pulled, didn't bring mobs to you, and died because you didn't notice they had aggro you can shrug that off as a mistake.

If they pull, and you drop stance, Shirk them, or otherwise actively try to get them killed to "teach them a lesson", especially if you tell them that's what you are doing, that's textbook griefing and very much reportable. It's the same with healers who refuse to heal someone because they were a jerk in party chat.

Not to excuse anyone being a jerk in chat, but trying to get another party member killed is never the right response. If someone is truly problematic: talk to them, vote kick if talking doesn't work, leave yourself if vote kick doesn't work.