TheLazyPeon "gives FFXIV another try"

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Thanks for linking that so I could go downvote it and screw up the Youtube algorithm for him.

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You're unaware of how YT algorithm works then. A dislike is good for the algorithm. It's engagement that matters. Commenting, disliking, liking is good for the algorithm.

I don't know who this person is and frankly I don't care. If he likes the game good for him of not well there are other games. Sorry I make my own decisions about what I play and how I feel about it without needing anyone elses opinion.

well with his last ffxiv video he lost viewers, he made it clear many times he doesnt like the game, now that the game is hype he "tries it again". Its a good time for any streamer and YT content creator to play ffxiv to get new subs and views. And thats all there is to lazyeon, just the $$$. So I wont act like "omg yay he tries it again" - pls - i think we all know better

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

The problem is so many people are conditioned to rush to endgame of older MMO's to get to the "good stuff" that they don't realize with FFXIV that there's "good stuff" all the way through and skipping earlier things detracts from the experience (to varying degree's depending on what you're here for).

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While XIV does a better job of not completely invalidating earlier content the older stuff hasn't kept up with the new jobs or even older job redesigns. Many people have complained that the level sync doesn't go far enough for gear (eg. Rhytalin). Ultimately though it's a challenge to find other people willing to tackle older content as intended.

I'd argue it's not really the content that's "the good stuff" it's the much broader availability of people to do stuff with that is.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I like lazy peon. Does not mean I agree with many of his takes, but I can enjoy watching people who I don't agree with because I don't take it personal.


The amount of hate he got for being "wrong" was just silly, and it was eye opener for many in the community that we got a sickness, but we ignored that rot because if one thing I learn about ff14 community is. We are very good at escapism. So glad he giving it another chance, and if he still does not end up liking it. That is fine. Even though i think the people who dislike him, will have a nervous break down. So part of me is hoping he will trash the game again lol.

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I agree we have issues that people wanna ignore here, but I do need to point out something here.

He specifically skipped the story, and then complained afterwords that the story was bad. That was what people mostly took a (justified, imo) issue with. If he doesn't like the story after doing it, then fine, but if you're gonna drop $25 to skip it, and then complained the skipped story was bad, that's going to ruffle something.

Also, it's worth money to suddenly like the game now, so he's going to enjoy it. Remember when he originally even tried ffxiv, his viewers were still mostly from his time from wow, so bashing it, he likely felt, would ring better with his community rather than praising it.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu9xm8dUna8

To be clear, I do not typically follow streamers in general, or TLP, although I was aware of his existence, and had previously viewed a few of his videos over the years. I know enough to say that the guy is a 'mid to upper level' or recognized voice in the MMORPG sphere, who plays a lot of the games in the genre (a lot of games - like stuff you or I would likely never try because it just looks like garbage out of the gate).

The reason I'm posting this isn't because I'm a member of his following, but rather because of the way he approached (this go), and has previously approached FFXIV, and to wonder if it's at all indicative of how a lot of people who don't stick with the game view it.

To be frank, I'm a person who does a fair amount of story-skipping myself - I pay a decent amount of attention to the MSQ as I pass through it the first time, but side-quests and, in particular, the intra-expansion quest chains are basically of no interest to me (I feel like the game talks too much; YMMV, but I'm not appreciative of the 'stand around and chat' exposition that FFXIV has favored as its main delivery of narrative over the years). However, it seems that there are people out there who go far beyond this, and just don't read the quests... at all - like any of them. And it would appear that TLP was one of them, at least until this second try at the game.

I know that ARR's storyline was only just recently streamlined, and that has probably helped matters a lot, but I have to wonder if the game could really benefit from a 10-20 minute action-oriented 'hook' piece of content at the start... rather than having a soothing chat with Hydaelyn and then just going for a chocobo cart ride. If there was a way to... get players more invested in the plots right from the get-go, I think it might make them more apt to sit through the rather talky ARR cutscenes that followed. TLP went into this second effort pledging to himself - forcing himself - to actually read and get involved. But if the game began with a more abrupt jolt, it could go a long way to enticing people who don't have that kind of commitment to get involved immediately.

Just food for thought.

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1.X started with a mandatory tutorial fight right after the intro cutscene. I always thought it was odd how long it took for them to actually tell us to go fight something in the current iteration.

He has said many times that he prefers games with action combat over tab targeting, so he'll probably end up not liking the game again. He's just jumping in for views, and who can blame him, he is an entertainer.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

The issue with removing Moogle Mog is the Churning Mists in Heavensward either gets further bloated or needs to be restructured to fit the loss of earning the trust of the Twelveswood moogles specifically Kuplo Kopp.

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It's funny you bring up the Churning Mists moogles, as that's honestly the worst part of Heavensward as well. It completely disrupts the pacing of the story in Heavensward.

This is really what it comes down to. Post-ARR needs a better editor. Even best-selling novelists require one. Yes there are some important bits during Mog, Leviathan, Ramuh, and Ivy subplots, especially with how Urianger discovers how to destroy Ascians. But most of the significant plot points can be condensed down to a few cutscenes at most, even if it requires rewriting certain dialogue scenes. Are you telling me there needs to be 7-8 quests leading up to Leviathan, one of which has you playing hide and seek with Doman refugee children, and another that has you run off to some fake hero in Lower La Noscea who claims to have killed Leviathan? There is so much pointless padding in post-ARR, that it wears new players out, especially when there's no actual gameplay or character progression throughout -- it's literally just cutscene after cutscene. If there are later references in the game to these events (ie. like with Ivy's subplot mentioned in HW) they could easily just have a dialogue check on whether you've completed the sidequest or not, much as they've done with Bahamut's Coils references or Crystal Tower later on (before they made it mandatory to the story), and change/skip the dialogue accordingly.

To be fair, there's a lot of padding in the expansions as well, even in our beloved Shadowbringers (eg. trolley/golem subplot in Amh Araeng). But a lot of these are bearable because they are padding the zone, and the player is spending time exploring and levelling in a new area that they don't even mind the poor story filler content. But in post-ARR, you're spending 90% of your time teleporting back and forth throughout Eorzea, just to watch cutscene after cutscene, with only a purple encounter trigger here and there. There is no new exploration, no levelling, no progression, and minimal actual gameplay besides the few primal fights. If you don't think this needs to be trimmed down because of the "purity of the story canon," you're turning away a lot of potential players who may actually enjoy the later parts of the story.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

1.X started with a mandatory tutorial fight right after the intro cutscene. I always thought it was odd how long it took for them to actually tell us to go fight something in the current iteration.

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Hate to sound like a kid that needs a rocket to pay attention but I really like the intros that just start out slapping, greatly prefer it to "welcome to a major city have fun". Just keeping it within the FF universe say like FFX, FFIX, FFVII, etc, there are more just the presentation of those three (music art pacing) had my attention well.

Of course my new player experience is probably all sorts of off compared to new players now, since I went through the gates via 1.0 transfer (the fight in the beginning of 1.0 was part of the highlights, just to comment on that specifically). I just recall the beginning, when messing around with ARR (more particularly the beta), and it being a 'just okay' pacing (I'm sure there might be some intention to that because the game is doing a sloooooow burn and I know some people have said they love that, it's just that intro style is not as much my tea. Gib mo fireworks! lol

To then verge into the blasphemous, I really like the venturing into a big city feel that is relatively taken away by how FFXIV starts the game. Would have preferred a hamlet and then wander my way into a major city. something that another, mmorpg, does well I think.

Though I do want to say I've had much much worse intros to a game single player and not. Could be worse :p, I found it totally acceptable. Just not my favorite intro either.

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

well with his last ffxiv video he lost viewers, he made it clear many times he doesnt like the game, now that the game is hype he "tries it again". Its a good time for any streamer and YT content creator to play ffxiv to get new subs and views. And thats all there is to lazyeon, just the $$$. So I wont act like "omg yay he tries it again" - pls - i think we all know better

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I mean... it IS His full time job. Of course he's focused on uploading content he knows will get views and $$$.