Zadnor fates need retuning.

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Originally Posted by Fland

Then it wouldn't solve the problem here, would it?
If the fate mobs/boss hp and defense don't change dynamically, then it'd scaled down and locked to whoever get there first. The rest come in and zerg them down in seconds, making it difficult to get gold.

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You don't completely understand what I'm saying then. It continues to scale upwards as more players join in, but eventually there is a cap. It's just usually pretty dang high. The HP does change dynamically. It just doesn't go lower. It only goes higher...to a certain point. Perhaps I didn't clarify it too well, but here it is.

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Originally Posted by Fland

I don't play WoW so I don't know how it exactly works there, but wouldn't that be abused easily?
Have 1 person stand within, it scaled down then the rest go in after it scaled down.

Or do you mean it scales up and down dynamically throughout the timer based on people going in and out? wouldn't that be a mess?

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Scales dynamically.

The reason I chose to include folks in the area is to allow others the opportunity to get hits in and not get completely destroyed in seconds.

WoW has various types of hp scaling. Most of them involve mobs being hit, but raid scaling exists in how many players are in the instance (since most raids scale 10 to 30 players).

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I believe Skirmishes are tuned both to your aggro and damage contribution not simply the former. I've been able to get mostly gold if I immediately spam Inner Chaos or IR even with Storm's Eye up. Could also be Valor ranks are causing a problem since we likely have several rank 8-10 players who are scaled much higher.

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Great point to bring up, the honor system might be heavily contributing to this. As a temporary fix the community should start to highly advertise themselves as rank 2-10 dps valor/honor players so people invite them or so that people join them for skirmishes. Definitely something the community needs to keep in mind and advertise/understand.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

aren't you the guy that threatened and tried to bully someone into silence because they left your (or your friends) FC with a real weird post a while ago?





you should be the last person to make that kind of post, bro....

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Why the hell do people have to be so mean on these forums. Ever since this game took the #1 mmo spot, this place has become forums savage. Our community seriously needs to have a better look at itself again.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Why the hell do people have to be so mean on these forums. Ever since this game took the #1 mmo spot, this place has become forums savage. Our community seriously needs to have a better look at itself again.

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The internet was never a kind place, and it also never forgets. Not sure what else anyone else expected.

FF XIV still has this old system where the fate difficulty is determined by the number of players who participated the previous time it popped. So if the number of players changes greatly then the fate is scaled badly; it's only appropriate if the number stays constant.

When dalriada ends and dozens of players pour back into the main area, things die way too quickly for a while until it readjusts to the new participation numbers. Conversely when numbers suddenly drop because dozens of people left for dalriada, the skirmishes can take ages to kill.

I'm not a Blizzard fan but it doesn't surprise me to hear that WoW has a more dynamic scaling system correcting to the number of players participating right now, not the numbers recently. They seem to be ahead in a lot of problem solving areas. I think there should also be a ceiling on the percent of enemy HP that can be reduced per second so a boss can never go from 100% to 0% in less than ten seconds no matter how buffed you are.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

I'm not a Blizzard fan but it doesn't surprise me to hear that WoW has a more dynamic scaling system correcting to the number of players participating right now, not the numbers recently. They seem to be ahead in a lot of problem solving areas. I think there should also be a ceiling on the percent of enemy HP that can be reduced per second so a boss can never go from 100% to 0% in less than ten seconds no matter how buffed you are.

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World Quests were added to WoW in Legion (2016) while the FATE system was built in 2013. Blizzard had 3 years of strength/weakness observation time. PSO2:NGS is coming out next Wednesday and its CBT had their open world and trial (the FATE equivalent) Bosses automatically scaling their HP based on number of players in zone (which capped at 8 or 32 based on zone). The mistakes of competitors are good lessons to attentive devs.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You don't completely understand what I'm saying then. It continues to scale upwards as more players join in, but eventually there is a cap. It's just usually pretty dang high. The HP does change dynamically. It just doesn't go lower. It only goes higher...to a certain point. Perhaps I didn't clarify it too well, but here it is.

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It would help if FF14 showed you the actual HP of your targets, as opposed to just the percentage.

The way scaling works for high value targets in WoW is very simple, logical, and easy to understand, especially since WoW doesn't hide the target HP like FF14 does.

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In WoW a high value mob (Say, a named enemy commander) that you need to kill for a quest might have 20k HP. You open fire and burn him down to 10k/20k HP (50% health). At that point another player jumps in and engages the mob. The mob's health might change to 17.5k/35k HP (50% health). The max health goes up, the current health goes up in proportion to the percentage, and the percentage stays the same when another player jumps in. Additional players will increase the target's health further, up to a limit.

Also in WoW there are world bosses (Basically raid-size boss FATEs, but on a weekly loot lockout), scaled from 10 to 40 players. A world boss might spawn with 5 million max HP, which would stay at 5 million for the first 10 players, but when the 11th player jumps in, the boss's health will start to scale up, up to 20 million for 40 players.

All this is clearly visible, since WoW shows target HP upfront and doesn't hide it.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Welp, guess I have to file yet another report. -_-

You've gone WAY too far, and its bullying at this point. I ask you to please stop. This post is about how the Zadnor fates need fixing. Not about how you feel about me for whatever personal reason.

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report me for what? quoting your own bullying in a insincere thread of yours? you're basically asking people to play worse just for you, which is incredibly selfish... plus, people are still partying up en masse? at least in all the times I've entered zadnor or bozja, might be a you problem, like wow said, mate.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

Plus, people are still partying up en masse? at least in all the times I've entered zadnor or bozja, might be a you problem, like wow said, mate.

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That's true.
I have actually been invited multiple times without even asking. In CE too.