A few complaints about the NieR Raid rewards on Part 3

Will always hate gender locked gear.

When i get a pair of pants, and it has the icon of pants then i expect it to be pants and not a skirt when i wear it...

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

That's a core facet of Final Fantasy, though. They built up the multiverse idea in later games and XIV carries it strongly, but all the way back to the early games the games in a series were "echoes" of each other in some ways. You see the same monsters, different versions of the same people, etc. So Ivalice has a lot that is familiar, but also tells its own story fitting easily into the broader XIV story

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Honestly, I always thought it felt lazy.
Not that they're doing it because they're lazy, but I really dont enjoy seeing a new boss and thinking "oh, instead of something new it's the obligatory Ifrit insert."
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that FF14 Ivalice and the Ivalice from any other game are completely unrelated. Them being echoes of each other doesn't even mean anything. It's just a cute way to justify a large easter egg.

As for the notion Ivalice "fits into" the broader story...
I mean... that's kind of a meaningless notion.
There isn't anything in FF14 that doesn't fit in.
And if Ivalice only "fits into" the broader story by not being at odds with it, being an isolated series of side quests, that's pretty disappointing.
I honestly don't see how anyone can be satisfied with Ivalice, let alone do so while also ragging on Nier for sharing some of it's failings.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

And if Ivalice only "fits into" the broader story by not being at odds with it, being an isolated series of side quests, that's pretty disappointing.
I honestly don't see how anyone can be satisfied with Ivalice, let alone do so while also ragging on Nier for sharing some of it's failings.

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And so far FFXIV have established that space, time and dimensional travel are existing things in this world, so Nier isn't too far fetched.
And the plot of the drakengard universe can be summarised as "eldritch god tries to wipe out humanity", which isn't exactly at odds with the doomsday beings appearing in final fantasy.

My issue with Nier isn't that it 'doesn't fit.' We have Omega, an alien robot who crash landed a long time ago and technology reverse engineered from him helped give rise to a massive technological empire.

My issue is that the actual Nier stuff felt lazy and tacked on. There's a history and backstory to Ivalice in FFXIV explored in the questline. They made it feel like a part of the setting. It feels like with the Nier raids they put as much effort into that as they do any other crossover like the XV or XI ones except there was more content to go along with it over an entire expansion.

There was no effort to really integrate it, it felt welded on. Where as with Ivalice, they reworked the history and lore of it from the other games to make it fit into FFXIV's setting, they didn't just have Ramza show up through a portal and help us fight some bad guys before peacing out.

Edit: Whoopsie some connection issues lead to me accidentally duplicating the post, deleted the extras.

My problem with the Nier stuff, not just the most recent one, is always the odd gendering of the gear- it's not locked specifically to one gender or the other, but the piece will display differently when it's on a male character vs. a female one. For example, the YoRHa Type-51 Jacket of Healing, on men:

https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf1.myportfo...39288d43855362

and women:

https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf3.myportfo...27f614c355f25d

As GrizzlyTank said before, it sucks to have your gear show an icon that looks nothing like what actually displays on your character.
There are many other pieces of gear like this in all 3 alliance raids. Female characters always get a dress or extra skin windows, panties or a skirt instead of pants. In the newest alliance raid the scouting pants are camo for men and plain pattern for women (???). It's just a bummer when there are already so few "boyish" clothes for women.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

My issue with Nier isn't that it 'doesn't fit.' We have Omega, an alien robot who crash landed a long time ago and technology reverse engineered from him helped give rise to a massive technological empire.

My issue is that the actual Nier stuff felt lazy and tacked on. There's a history and backstory to Ivalice in FFXIV explored in the questline. They made it feel like a part of the setting. It feels like with the Nier raids they put as much effort into that as they do any other crossover like the XV or XI ones except there was more content to go along with it over an entire expansion.

There was no effort to really integrate it, it felt welded on. Where as with Ivalice, they reworked the history and lore of it from the other games to make it fit into FFXIV's setting, they didn't just have Ramza show up through a portal and help us fight some bad guys before peacing out.

Edit: Whoopsie some connection issues lead to me accidentally duplicating the post, deleted the extras.

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The Nier raids to me felt like pretty much every collaboration event in the various gacha games I play. Characters from whatever the game is doing a collab with appear from some portal 'from another world' and by the end of the collab story, things are neatly tied up and the visitors return through that same portal back to their world. A self contained, isolated story that doesn't otherwise affect or disrupt the game the collab is being hosted in.. and will indeed pretty much never be mentioned again outside of it's isolated section of the story.. ergo, characters from the collab that you get to keep using or more relevant here in a big MMO, the lingering gear and the environmental remnants in Kholusia.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

There was no effort to really integrate it, it felt welded on. Where as with Ivalice, they reworked the history and lore of it from the other games to make it fit into FFXIV's setting, they didn't just have Ramza show up through a portal and help us fight some bad guys before peacing out.

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But reworking the history to reestablish it in FF14's setting led to the longest cutscenes as they had to exposit what THIS version of Ivalice was, and where it slots into FF14's history. Which would be fine... if any of it mattered to FF14.
In the Neir raids, despite the story showing up through a portal before peacing out, you at least see how the story impacts the dwarves. ut in the Ivalice raids... it doesn't really go anywhere and it takes a looooong time to do it.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Found a mockup on Reddit:

https://i.redd.it/d8zeti9xg3t61.png

There's also one thing that bothers me. I know it might be someone's cup of tea because of specific details, but I feel that the Maiming/Fending sets are way too similar to stuff the previous tiers already gave us. I'm not familiar with NieR series, but a quick google serach made me think... since they went all over the place with the other references for armor sets, why not to do the same for the Maiming/Fending? Again, personal taste, I suppose.

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I was a little disappointed myself to see tank and drg just get another yorha set while the rest of the classes got npcs, and I don’t really touch either class.

However, the female set is gorgeous and the boots are, imo, the best thigh highs in the game. All of the sleekness of the 2B boots without the ridiculously skinny ankles and clown feet. So there’s that, at least.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

I was a little disappointed myself to see tank and drg just get another yorha set while the rest of the classes got npcs, and I don’t really touch either class.

However, the female set is gorgeous and the boots are, imo, the best thigh highs in the game. All of the sleekness of the 2B boots without the ridiculously skinny ankles and clown feet. So there’s that, at least.

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Yeah, the fending/maiming set felt like a waste. I felt like the puppet's bunker gear already felt too samey as it was and then they do this for fending/maiming.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

I was a little disappointed myself to see tank and drg just get another yorha set while the rest of the classes got npcs, and I don’t really touch either class.

However, the female set is gorgeous and the boots are, imo, the best thigh highs in the game. All of the sleekness of the 2B boots without the ridiculously skinny ankles and clown feet. So there’s that, at least.

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Oh, yeah - don't get me wrong, I think they are very well made and would certainly use myself - but I'd rather have something that isn't redundant even if it ended in something that isn't my personal taste, as long as it's well made.

That's the same thing about hairstyles. I know we got 9S's because he's 2B's companion, but... at the same time we already have a hairstyle that is extremely similar to his and available to both genders. I'd rather have his outfit as a coffer glam, same way we had the 2B's one in the first raid, if we could choose one thing or the other.