Dear Physical Ranged DPS and..

Hey, when you're done with that high horse, I need to make some meatballs.

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Originally Posted by Kraniel

So you opened this thread because you were playing an extremely complex DPS class, and while you were too busy with all the complex stuff, you didn't dodge an AoE, and died because the guy who was playing an extremely easy healer class wasn't on their toes to insta-Rescue you out of it ? :////

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Why is this so detailed? O:

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Originally Posted by Averax

DNC and BRD don't have to do anything extra. Their utility is mostly baked into their damage rotations. Bards have to sing no matter what, it's part of their rotation. Dancers have to dance no matter what, standard step and technical step are their hardest hitting abilities.

You suggest making MCH effectively a straight up loss to bring along, but the reason it needs to do more damage is because that's all it brings (and a damage reduction skill). It needs to bring enough of its own damage to make it appealing enough to take up a slot reserved for a dancer or bard.

DNC and BRD are competitive because they raise everybody else's damage instead of doing a bunch themselves. The extra damage they make people do is counted towards their personal damage.

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Originally Posted by Averax

The guy is implying that they need to do less personal damage than dancer and bard because those two have more responsibility.

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the post you originally quoted literally stated "

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Originally Posted by Miminming

even if MCH dont have any utility its still on top in pyshical ranged RDPS, yes RDPS ....BRD and DNC should be buffed to have more closer RDPS to MCH, ...if not more (because MCH can ignore other member to dish out their best rdps while DNC and BRD need a more strict teamplay for that)

saying damage buff utility blabla is pointless if you look at RDPS... the include that in the number already...

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while he did say "if not more because...." that is something one could argue, though its mostly a different discussion that is not specific to physical ranged but to every class and the general value of damage buffs, in no way however did his post say "dnc and brd should deal more personal dps than mch or that this had anything to do with extra responsibilitys on their part.

Shouldn't the machinist be the highest physical dps since it uses guns and launchers. To me the guns should be way more powerful than any close range melee classes weapon.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Shouldn't the machinist be the highest physical dps since it uses guns and launchers. To me the guns should be way more powerful than any close range melee classes weapon.

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They shoot pellets of aether rather than bullets, so who knows how the ballistics work.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Shouldn't the machinist be the highest physical dps since it uses guns and launchers. To me the guns should be way more powerful than any close range melee classes weapon.

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One word dispels (lol) this notion.

Magic.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Dear physical ranged DPS.

You are not going to get buffed.


....If Square-Enix learned anything from the last time you asked to have increased damage.

I understand some of you are new and arent quite familiar with the mechanics and design of FFXIV but, yes, your ability to be at long distance, plus have no cast times, means you absolutely must have lower damage from other roles who are faced with more mechanics to their role.

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Square-Enix already boosted physical range dps damage once before....


and then reverted it.

This is because boosting physical ranged dps damage equates to adding cast times to their attacks.

People did not like this even more than having low damage as a ranged dps.

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Please be a troll. Please be a troll. Please be a troll.

But really, that's a load of bull. Everything about that is incorrect. You removed context of a huge part of stormblood where stormblood machinist was one of the highest DPS classes in the game, it's just people didn't like the way it played at the time. The whole reason they tend to have lower DPS is because of the whole buffing bs. Having them THIS low, especially MCH, is exorbitant and odd.

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Melee.

You will not have positionals removed from the role.
If positionals were to be removed, the damage of melee DPS would need to be lowered, as this is a mechanic that this role is specific to and is what gives it even the ever most slight complexity.

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I don't see how this would happen. Have you heard of Omnipositional bosses? You know, like bosses that don't have positionals? No? Then go fight some. These bosses have no positionalls to hit so I don't get the purpose of saying they'd need to be nerfed when these kinds of situations already exist and the difficulty in melee then is uptime.

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All DPS.

The game is already significantly simplified...

It is already extremely extremely out hand how simple this game has become.

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Just gonna ask you to stop. This argument means nothing unless you are a tank. Most classes are getting simpler to compensate for making fights more complex. If you've not raided in Heavensward then it might seem like things are getting simpler for the worst but 90% of the simpler changes were for the better from HW to STB. SHB is up for debate but I think certain jobs post launch when they got patched got to their best forms since their conception. If you think complex combat/rotatins is what makes this game good, then go someplace else. Play something else. While I do ask that people stop asking for simplifying things, it's not the players burden to stop asking it's the dev teams' burden to stop listening and blaming the playerbase for the few voices they can't control is toxic.

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Side note:

End game raiders.

Stop asking for buffs to your specific job or any specific job and compostion.

It has already been said by Square-Enix it is possible to clear content with any composition of varying roles (this means do not double up on BLM as an example.)

If you're failing to meet DPS requirements, consider changing your tactics and rotations.

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Fun fact, most of the raiders that do this are the ones that really like a job and want it in a better place or cleared as their job or another job and still want it in a better place. So you can either stop trolling or stop lumping in everyone as the same just because they have similar ideas for what they want to do. I say most because not all of them, of course, are the same.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

Why is this so detailed? O:

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Because you and i both know all too well about these players who get mad when healers don't give them the "full babysit package" ;D

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Also while I'm here...

Healers...

So long as you fail to keep dps and tanks alive because you refuse to cast or use a "GCD" heal/shield to push more damage, Square-Enix should not, and I encourage them -to not- add complexity to the healer role.

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Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing

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Are the SCHs not healing damage that needs to be healed, or do you think every little scrape needs to be taken care of? Most WHMs I've run into can't stand to see someone missing 10 hp without dropping a cure II.