Is it weird that I like Zenos as a villain?

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

Well when you're in a new body why not find the weapon that's been bathed in your power than just picking any random sword so at that time he didn't have much of a choice.

And even without the sword thing the game made it so obvious it's Zenos possessing his body,from the obvious background music to the mention of "The Hunt".....something only Zenos cared about and rarely any of his followers(even his devout nutjob worshipper Asahi) talk about.

As for the "No".....did you buy scenario skips to get to Stormblood?Cuz Elidibus isn't a new character at all.

He's been there since the days of A Realm Reborn where he met Minfillia and the Warrior of Light for the first time,played a big role in Heavensward where he brought in the Warriors of Darkness and cooperated with Urianger,and recently in Stormblood is assisting Emperor Varis using Zenos's body to establish Varis's authority over Garlemald to undermine the influence of the Populares,a group of Garleans that opposes the way the royal family's been running the empire with.

If anything he's the most active ascian out of the entire group beside Lahabrea who got offed by Thordan in Heavensward

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No, I didn't scenario skip. Nor did I say Elidibus was a new character. Nothing I have said implied that. Last I remember, White Robe was chatting on the moon with a useless character.

The Warrior of Darkness was hardly a 'useless' character. He might have only been around for a short while but the part he played revealed some pretty major lore elements. His English voice actor was also very talented.

Zenos is why everybody should be playing with Japanese voices. Whoever was in charge of the English VA work did a horrible job.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The Warrior of Darkness was hardly a 'useless' character. He might have only been around for a short while but the part he played revealed some pretty major lore elements. His English voice actor was also very talented.

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Yeah, we learned that we can't ever beat the bad guys because we'll destroy the world. So we gotta put up with the Ascians as villians forever now. I could have done without that lore element.

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Originally Posted by Edax

No, I didn't scenario skip. Nor did I say Elidibus was a new character. Nothing I have said implied that. Last I remember, White Robe was chatting on the moon with a useless character.

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a useless character?Dude that's an entire patch of MSQ quests dedicated to that "useless" character and his friends in Heavensward and that wasn't even the last time Elidibus appeared in Heavensward either,after that he gives the eyes of Nidhogg to Illberd whom then would use to FREAKIN SUMMON SHINRYU THROUGH A RITUAL.

There is no way you missed ALL of this without buying scenario skips or pressing skip through every cutscene

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Originally Posted by Edax

Was it too much ask for an intriguing plot? It was interesting for me uncovering the history of Lady Iceheart and her Heretics. There was nothing to Zenos beyond the first impression.

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Allow me to assist in clearing this up a little.

During one of the interviews that Yoshi held prior to Stormblood's release, I believe he mentioned that he really wanted Zenos to be a character that players would not sympathize with (I'll have to do several extensive searches to find the media links, sources etc... but this was a well known fact at the time).

In the past, the Dev team had given us Gaius and a few other antagonists who were sort of "grey", complicated, and not pure evil... even Nael who dropped Bahamut on our heads found some sympathy. As such, as I understand it, the team developed Zenos to be unflinchingly evil, yet in a charming way that made one like the guy as a pure villain. He was vain, arrogant, unruffled, had presence like a true prince, and was just downright badness (and he even repeatedly justifies his badness)... these are some of the elements I completely liked about him because the game needed such a character.

The real clincher was that his voice acting in all the various languages were delivered quite brilliantly.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Yeah, we learned that we can't ever beat the bad guys because we'll destroy the world. So we gotta put up with the Ascians as villians forever now. I could have done without that lore element.

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I find the alternative much more dull - that the super special hero can oppose everybody who gets in their way without any real consequences. You only need to look at the real world to see that things are rarely so simple as targeting a particular leader or country and eliminating a threat. Often what replaces them is much worse and plunges that country - and others, by consequence - into chaos.

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Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1

a useless character?Dude that's an entire patch of MSQ quests dedicated to that "useless" character and his friends in Heavensward and that wasn't even the last time Elidibus appeared in Heavensward either,after that he gives the eyes of Nidhogg to Illberd whom then would use to FREAKIN SUMMON SHINRYU THROUGH A RITUAL.

There is no way you missed ALL of this without buying scenario skips or pressing skip through every cutscene

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Yeah, he wasted an entire patch. Warrior of Darkness had absolutely nothing to do with the Dragonsong War. He was a complete filler character.
/sarcasm Oh he destroyed his own world and now he wanted to destroy ours? What a compelling character!

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Originally Posted by Edax

Yeah, he wasted an entire patch. Warrior of Darkness had absolutely nothing to do with the Dragonsong War. He was a complete filler character.

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I get the feeling that a lot of the game's nuances are lost on you in general.

Heavensward may have been primarily about Ishgard and the Dragonsong War but it was hardly the only plot element to be destroyed. The Warrior of Darkness advanced a plot line that has been a part of the overarching narrative since the days of 1.0...it isn't as if a story has to focus on one plot point at a time and nothing else. That'd be rather dull.

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Originally Posted by Edax

/sarcasm Oh he destroyed his own world and now he wanted to destroy ours? What a compelling character!

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It's a good thing it isn't that simple, eh? He did exactly why Hydaelyn told him to do. The exact same thing that the Warrior of Light is doing right now, in fact...and despite doing everything correctly his world was still plunged into ruin and his life was forfeit as a consequence as well as the lives of everybody he cared for.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I find the alternative much more dull - that the super special hero can oppose everybody who gets in their way without any real consequences. You only need to look at the real world to see that things are rarely so simple as targeting a particular leader or country and eliminating a threat. Often what replaces them is much worse and plunges that country - and others, by consequence - into chaos.

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If the villains were better, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But this Organization XIII knockoff are basically Power Ranger villains when it comes to their writing. And the knowledge that we're stuck with these guys forever is the painful part. The world is a little more complicated then cultists in masks trying to bring chaos to the world.