what is it with these damn elitists in this game?

It’s important to see the perspective from their point of view OP. They probably took the time and effort to learn the fight so that they won’t burden anyone. They’re probably tired of having the fight down only to be held back by others.

Coming here to complain about a story we don’t know is even true isn’t the right thing to do. Also, there is a thread for that.

Your post only shows that you can’t handle criticism and are giving into their criticism. Be glad they basically told you that you suck in the nicest way possible instead of cussing you out.

Perhaps the person is struggles with anger and is attempting to convey their emotions in a less harmful way.

Learn to take their criticism and put it to good use to better yourself. Coming here to cry only feeds them and makes you look weak to the world.

I tell this to someone else who almost gave up playing the game they love just because they were told they suck.

Don’t give up just because someone tells you you suck. If anything next time, fight evil with love. That way you’ll make them more angry, win them over or make them look like a jackass to the whole group.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

a learning party.

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One, your definition of elitist is wrong. Two the fact that it was a learning party and OP got kicked, usually (from whats seen on these forums and in game) means the person kicked has low dps and isn't improving. It's usually always paired with those two things dying constantly + low dps in general.

I've been in learning parties and have been the cause of the wipe several times. When I know I'm the flub up, I apologize and usually people help me. A person in a pug group even went out of their way to make a macro for me cause I just couldn't grasps this one part. I refuse to believe that I'm the only one that comes across these type of people.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

On your opinion, anyone should know how to do every mechanic without a hassle and have BiS gear (that drops from savage or needs savage drops + tomes but that doesn't matter) and be able to pull up a 95 percentile performance to be acceptable to even join a learning pug?

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To join a learning party for the current primal -- and to be worth your slot -- you need to be in the Mendacity tomestone set at minimum, be able to make it through Rabinastre and Lighthouse without looking like a fool, and be able to clear Sigma/Alphascape (story) without looking like a fool. On the class you're joining that learning party with.

If you can't handle these things, or can only meet these requirements on another class, you flatly aren't worth 7 other peoples' time.

These are generous requirements, and fit the ilvl progression exactly as expressed in the game.

You deserve a kick for anything less, because you're a detriment to your team. If you insist on doing extremes without being able to handle the above, you are not, as the OP stated "a good person." You are terrible and selfish, both as a player and a person.

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Originally Posted by MrKupo

Ah so the Extreme toxicity is still around in this game... I will say it is for the betterment of the community to teach someone that you believe is worse than you, rather than kick them or berate them. In the long run, they will teach others and more people will get better at the run and you will more likely run into players that know what to do in Duty Finder.

Offer feedback, be a helpful part of the hospitable community that this game has become known for. We are all on the same side.

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There is absolutely a place for teaching players how to improve. That is not in the middle of extreme-tier content, especially when they can't handle the lower tiers at an acceptable level for that.

If the specific issue is with rotations and damage, then the best way to teach them they aren't ready for that tier is to kick them.

Additionally, a "learning party" is not a "let's just wipe a lot and not learn anything" party. You're in there to learn, and that means bringing your nerdiest shirt, a notebook, and taking notes.

Be serious about learning or hit the pavement.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

On your opinion, anyone should know how to do every mechanic without a hassle and have BiS gear (that drops from savage or needs savage drops + tomes but that doesn't matter) and be able to pull up a 95 percentile performance to be acceptable to even join a learning pug?

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Why do people constantly confuse "asking for purple parsers" with "asking to understand your rotation and basic mechanics"?
Seriously - asking someone to pull decent numbers isnt the same as asking for a purple parser and I can assure you that everyone is only doing the first. But if you go into current endgame content, specially stuff like an Ex-primal and you're at 2k DPS (as a DPS), then you're either getting carried or are a liabelity to 7 other people - in other words: You have no place joining a learning party for a fight if you actually need to learn your job first.

And even if it says learning party and everyone learns at a different pace: At a certain point someone who keeps messing up simple mechanics and repeats the same mistake over and over again and shows no sign of improving isnt so much learning the fight and rather holding 7 other people back.

There is obviously no need to be rude, mean or insulting about this - but there is also absolutly nothing wrong with dismissing such a person from a party, maybe even with the suggestion to improve before they try again.

So, no - you dont need to be 95 percentile to join a learning pug. All you need is:
- the will and the ability to actually learn and improve
- only using both of that to learn the fight, not your job
- since you have your job down already and are able to perform at a level thats acceptable at level 70. That does not mean purple logs - stop confusing the two.

Quite frankly I believe that a person who cant do those things should excuse themself from the party instead of wasting the time of 7 other people.
Call me rude, call me an elitist - but I believe that asking 7 people (possibly strangers) to put a hold on their own progression because you cant get your stuff together is quite rude already.

...and I just cant stress enough: No one in learning parties is asking for what you described - and I know you've been exaggerating, but the actual requests of learning parties seem quite reasonable to me: Show that you are capable of learning this fight. If you arent and keep repeating the same mistakes - whats your buisness there?

I always assumed FF14 catered to the casual crowd at least that is what I think SE is going for. Telling people to learn their job or gtfo is what I'm sensing from most people here. Which I think is a bad sign if they are representing the community.

I'm just one of those subpar casual gamers that dislike elitists. Then again I'm a poor person that hates on rich people too. Guess I just like hating on the higher class people.

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

I always assumed FF14 catered to the casual crowd at least that is what I think SE is going for. Telling people to learn their job or gtfo is what I'm sensing from most people here. Which I think is a bad sign if they are representing the community.

I'm just one of those subpar casual gamers that dislike elitists. Then again I'm a poor person that hates on rich people too. Guess I just like hating on the higher class people.

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SE has bent over backwards to make this game appealing to casual players, and that's great! But the instant you cross the threshold beyond normal-tier content, expect to "learn your job or gtfo." Your words.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

SE has bent over backwards to make this game appealing to casual players, and that's great! But the instant you cross the threshold beyond normal-tier content, expect to "learn your job or gtfo." Your words.

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I probably won't try high tier raids for that reason but for those that do I feel for them is all. It's probably why SE only release so few of those raids so the high skilled people have something to do at least. Also yes my words but it's what you guys are thinking. Only calling it out as I see it.

The community keep complaining how about how bad players are, yet players try to learn, they are ridiculed. People expect perfection from day 1. Players are human, they will make mistakes. Do you see pro athletes perform perfectly 100% of the time? No. Why is there an expectation in this game that people never make mistakes?

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Originally Posted by Brill_

The community keep complaining how about how bad players are, yet players try to learn, they are ridiculed.

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I'mma stop you right there chief. 90% of the players aren't interested in learning. They want to be carried. Nobody expects perfection. We expect general knowledge of the workings of your job. Like not doing trick attack on the first GCD.