The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

My biggest complaint about the premium plan for the app, is that it allows players to move items from retainer-to-retainer directly, making it way easier to manage retainer inventories.

This is something that can't be done ingame, while it really should be.

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I honestly can't believe that anyone actually needs this unless they're that disorganised. Should it be available to do in-game? Surely! Who knows we're probably going to get this in game at some point in the future and the app is the "stress test" for the mechanic to see if it breaks anything. But that's being optimistic, and I know optimism isn't allowed in these kinds of discussions because corporations are evil and don't give a shit about us.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Since you won't let this go.

Basic economics. Any time any seller has a competitive advantage in a market they come out ahead. The premium app gives the option to hire an extra retainer.

Therefore,

All things other being equal, those willing to spend more real money in a game get more game based income. The definition of pay to win. But that also goes to retainers in general and I have an issue with that as well.

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I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.
Retainer market board is secondary and often cost me much more time and effort to list items.
As you already made your mind, I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.
Enough said, no need to beat on a dead horse since OP already made his mind, any further argument is pointless.
Just wish him farwell.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.

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Same to you. May all your rolls be good ones.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

SE continue adding more and more way to take our money... and the 3 years old promises are always waiting...
Ok they want to make money, ok they have project for this, but clearly, projects are not for FFXIV... this is the matter

Being a company doesnt excuse to take all way money without doing promised effort, some F2P get far more morality sense than FFXIV...

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Huh...you do know what the number one rule of a business is right? this is not a charity type of business in case people have not noticed. SE has added to existing member basic content with their patches just not enough for people to be satisfied to an extend.

It's not a matter of morality, they do their part and while many may not agree it's up to us the consumer who are using a service they provided based on their terms. We don't have to play it / use what ever options they give us. IF F2P games are so great why are people comparing it to a game that is not a F2P to begin with? Just silently quit and go play something else. We the poor souls that enjoy this game and don't mind paying for things that we choose to do will waste our funds to help enhance a need that we have and SE is meeting based on their business model.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

The Fact that the consumers don't need use the app should be a simple way of saying " ok, they're a business, their main purpose is to make money, is my need being met? " It's not a failed Dilemma, rather than adding more options to mogstation they decided to be competitive like other companies that have apps. It's already sad enough that for certain aspects of the game can change based on technology.

As an example, people don't understand that technology changes and requirements change as well and players expect to have the same performance from a device that may be 10 yrs old. Then they blame the company for their lack of knowledge. All of the sudden they don't get their way they rage quit, omit things on social media just do to a poor sense of integrity, or just to be toxic.

Based on the reason that they give, they are somewhat logical. I may not agree with them, however I do understand being I work in the programming field and business field. Everyone sees their perspective, not the reality unfortunately. How we open our minds to it, do research, will shift that and placing a label as OPTIONAL just explain it as a simple way to those who lack understanding.

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However it is a failed dilemma. They know they need money to meet the expectations, but because they have the ideology of keeping everything under wraps until the last second, they generate these controversies and the drama surrounding them. Insisting on using the term optional will not change the facts of

* Need financial resources but have a horrid way to handle it in a pr effective way.
* Need better communication and proper disclosure in this regard.

While your example is educational, it is currently moot since that was the "excuse" in the ps3 limitations days, this is without addressing things like the spaghetti code with the inventory "update".

If you're on the business side of things you can't just dismiss them as rage even if a good portion of them are. Perspective is reality, some of these people see this as a cash grab and refuse to pay for it, or pay for the game anymore. Is it true? Not for you, and for me its something irrelevant, but for them it is. Labeling as optional is not a "simple way to explain it to those who lack understanding" its a simple way to say "you don't have to get this but we know you want it".

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

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Some way to ask money to customers are more moral than others. SE clearly did choose a way that doesnt care this... nothing to see with charity or anything else. I know they have to make money.

Just, F2P are known to try to catch whales and make they pay as much as possible... While originally, subscription system didnt have this immoral way to do... FFXIV go on the 2 way same time. This is the matter.

And so, you say to go away silently? No, because i care the game. . . And FFXIV's team know i speak again and again all those shit because i care...

https://i.imgur.com/HBpD3KH.png

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Not another thread just add to existing ones your points of view have already been covered several times.... Besides it helps your cause to add to existing ones...and like any other thread quitting do to OPTIONAL services ...good riddance.

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Yeah you tell him! Quitting because of content in a 'theme park MMO' is a stupid reason! Who quits because of 'OPTIONAL' content in a 'THEME PARK' Anyway?

Why that would be like not going to disneyland because you've ridden the rides you want and they're releasing one that you don't like. /sarcasm off

Why are there so many of you incapable of understanding why there is no such thing as optional content in a game with almost all of it being optional content?

So, you unsub'd from the game over:
A) Something that in no way changes the core of the game
B) Is still in the de-bugging and testing phase of development
C) We don't know when it will actually be implemented
D) We don't know what it's final form and function will be
E) HASN'T EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET

TLDR; Drama queen

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Originally Posted by MilanFrozen

Why are there so many of you incapable of understanding why there is no such thing as optional content in a game with almost all of it being optional content?

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Option [Webster's Dictionary]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/option

1) an act of choosing

2) the power or right to choose

3) something that may be chosen

As long as SE gives you a CHOICE in whether or not to pay the extra money. It qualifies as an OPTION. Thus, it is OPTIONAL CONTENT. The only way this would NOT qualify as optional is if they made the app and it's subscription mandatory in order to subscribe to and play the game.

As I've stated in other threads, just because you don't LIKE you choices, does NOT mean you don't have a choice.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

However it is a failed dilemma. They know they need money to meet the expectations, but because they have the ideology of keeping everything under wraps until the last second, they generate these controversies and the drama surrounding them. Insisting on using the term optional will not change the facts of


* Need financial resources but have a horrid way to handle it in a pr effective way.
* Need better communication and proper disclosure in this regard.

While your example is educational, it is currently moot since that was the "excuse" in the ps3 limitations days, this is without addressing things like the spaghetti code with the inventory "update".

If you're on the business side of things you can't just dismiss them as rage even if a good portion of them are. Perspective is reality, some of these people see this as a cash grab and refuse to pay for it, or pay for the game anymore. Is it true? Not for you, and for me its something irrelevant, but for them it is. Labeling as optional is not a "simple way to explain it to those who lack understanding" its a simple way to say "you don't have to get this but we know you want it".

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You make very good points and respect your perspective. Being that the gaming industry is a competitive nature and they keep things under wrap is to avoid unnecessary competition from the start of the idea. Revealing it near the end of completions is a strategic way of maintaining an edge against competitors. ( from a business analytical perspective ) I agree it does bring out controversies within the community and lets face it drama is part of human nature no matter what in one way or another. The fact of the matter is that it is a source of revenue so yes waving a free version to entice the consumer may seem as not being fair, however it si fair play in the business world.

As for their communications and proper disclosure ( http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...1&tag=users_en ) it is very detailed and communications are done properly that gives SE the rights to do what they are doing. They are being disclosed just misinterpreted or like some people ( if not most ) have not read them properly. Certain benefits come from certain things a good example is how we Legacy members are treated based on fee;s and housing regulations. ( http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...la=1&kid=64539 )

As for your PS3 example, SE did offer to upgrade them if they had a PS4, they did give plenty of time to get a free upgrade version if using a PS4. Along with this they also mentioned in Fan Fare that PC systems with a 32bit system are recommended to be upgraded to 64bit based for the best experience based on technological changes. You Can use it, however we recommend a 64bit system. These were options given to the consumer and as per the terms of use section 11.8 Changes to this User Agreement it is something that entitles them to do what they are doing and we as consumers have choices. Once again we have agreed to these terms as consumers. However, many players choose not to read or even take the time to comprehend these things and just want the easy way out.

Now as for the cash and grab perspective, yes based on the user base it may seem that way, what did people expect based on so many subscribers. Would it make a huge difference if they were only 5000 players? Do the numbers of potential subscribers dignify the means of these results? No it comes with the idea and potential. What I fail to understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, why consumers see it as scheme? its a product that justifies the needs of their players with both options of subscription and free versions. If people want to pay fine, if not don't? Yet to rage quit over this, I would think as a matter of principle will only show how many hypocrites there are. We all know eventually the majority will accept the fact and just come back just on the fact that this game is meeting their current entertainment need which is really what business do to begin with. If people don't accept it this simple concept and see it as evil they are welcome to perceive that. I just wonder what is the greater evil, what SE is doing, or ignorance of blaming a company for a product that meets consumers needs and thriving from it as well.