Savage content needs to be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

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....damn it

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Originally Posted by Vidu

You have a fair shot. The same shot everyone else has: Create a party that suits your needs and playstyle.
You're suggestion is aimed at "bribing" people who have already cleared that content into doing it again for a new person. When you could instead look at people like you, who havent cleared the content yet.

I'll be so honest and admit that my experience with PF for Savage is minimal because I spend time networking and dont rely on PF at all for those fights at all. I've always joined various PFs for both EX-primals and Savage to help out when I felt like it - fairly often, aswell I reckon.
You can do most of the content in this game without networking - I already explained why Savage isnt part of that and why that is a good thing (or rather: a thing thats required to make the content as difficult as it is).

I am again sorry that you had such a bad experience with PF, but honestly: I dont think your suggestion would fix that. It might become a little bit easier to get your first time clear in, but every clear after that, you have nothing to offer and are stuck with queues and PF again. And even if you dont have a bonus anymore, people might remove you from their groups after you made a stupid mistake (yes, sorry, failing the first mechanic in a fight is stupid - mistakes happen, ofc, and we should all be a bit more tolerant about them but I'll admit myself that I'm... not happy when people fail the first mechanics of a fight. Wont outright kick them, but its a strike and I start questioning how well they know the fight.)

As far as I'm concerned your answer here is: Networking. Going into those fighst with people you know. Pugging might be technically possible, but surely isnt the prefered way.



We did not ask to be toxic.
I understand why it might look that way to you, because of your angle. Let me share mine aswell, okay?
It applies a bit more to farmign EX-primals, but might aswell to getting in quick clears for the easier Savage-fights like O5S and O6S.
Let me say right away that I like to think of myself as a helpful person - I'll join Learning and Clear PFs for EX-Primals and Savage fights whenever I have the time for that and am in the right mood (happens often enough - I dont even want to count the amount of Shinryu EX parties I joined to help out, even after getting my clear and having 50 tokens in my inventory...).
But sometimes, I'm not. Sometimes, I'm in the mood to have easy, smooth farms. Or, just like you, I only have 2 hours to play and would like to get O5S and O6S done in that time. All of that is highly unlikely to happen with a new person in the party.
I'm up for teaching when I have the time for that. Thats not always the case - sometimes I just have the time to get my own clears in, given its a decent group, which is what I wanna make sure of.
Can a new person perform well? Sure - and if a bonus-person asks "Hey, I know the whole fight, seen enrage, just need the kill, is it cool for me to stay?" that is cool with me. Person gets two shots and if they prove themself, no problem!
But way, way to often you see people who dont have a clue, essentially wasting the time of 7 people who know the fight inside out and just want to kill it quickly. And that sucks. And that shouldnt happen in the first place.
Before we had the message and the option to lock out bonus-people from our parties, I saw way, way to many farm-parties disband because someone thought "Know the fight" didnt apply to them and sneaked in without knowledge. It was rude and bloody annoying.

We did not ask to be toxic.
We asked for an option to make sure we have a good experience with the game, too. And our good experience might very well be not to teach every fight over and over again all the time, but prioritise our own progression, together with other people who share that goal.

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Before reading this post I agreed with the OP that extra loot would incentivize people to help out randoms. Now, my mind is changed. Well played

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

Before reading this post I agreed with the OP that extra loot would incentivize people to help out randoms. Now, my mind is changed. Well played

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...I just hope thats not because you came to the conclusion that people wont help randoms anyways! Because at least I do that already, even without any extra loot!

If people want to help thats cool, but I dare say that everyone profits if they do that because they want to help - not because they want extra loot.
And people who are looking to clear should look for other people who need the clear (or for helpers) and not expect a party of 7/8 already cleared to get them theirs too.

Savage is fine. Adding an extra loot chest would just speed up clear rates for the tier and make everything look even easier than it is thanks to people reaching BiS even faster.

Also pugging the current raid tier requires 2 things I feel.

1) Being a great player yourself
2) Luck to fall into a group full of said great players

It's no surprise that PUG players actually going through the content are people who used to run in statics that just cannot commit to the schedule anymore.

Sigma is pretty easy to clear in pf, don't have a single clear in any sort of static, and cleared week 4 (Would have been week 3 if I wasn't helping others).

That will not happen. The whole point of the number of chests is to "Extend Content" if they gave extra gear it would shorten the time needed to complete current content.

I lik e the Idea of 1st clear chest reward.
But I think it would lend itself to more sold runs.
But at the x.x5 patch it could be what is needed to renew interest and help more players clear it.

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Originally Posted by Shaolinz

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Instead of giving players additional tomestones for a duty complete, give them an extra chest.

Before I start, I want to make a very clear opening stance. I grew up on a farm as the son of an accountant and fireman. Although gifted with some intellect, I would never say I'm the smartest kid on the block. However, I was also blessed with a very strong work ethic... and some pretty hardy character resilience. With all of those things together I pushed myself and worked very hard to attain my present standing as a cardiologist who makes six figures a year. Coming from a kid who started at McDonalds, I share this with you to say that I am a very hard worker.

The same work ethic (and gluttony for punishment) that is responsible for my career success also overlaps in my gaming life. I enjoy hard content. A lot. I beat civilization V on immortal with every faction (yes, even the Iroquois

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Some kids who started at McDonalds are still working there. They might be district managers now barely making enough to get by with the same amount of work effort you've put in. I also know immigrants without a high school level of education doing MUCH better than those with a college degree. In short, I have no idea what you're getting at.

I am not taking anything away from you from the hard work you've put in. In fact, I commend you for being in a position you worked for. I am just pointing out that there are people out there who have achieved less doing more than you do, and those who have achieved more doing less than you do. That is reality, and FF is a place most of us go to escape that shit.

BTW, I would prefer the farm life opposed to sustaining a six-figure salary (you are aware that those who earn the most also have the most to lose when shit hits the fan?) at which point I would rather be that manager at McDonalds with a steady paycheck.