Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

I'm prepared to switch to DRK for 4.0... yet i do not like this job. War is the only job i found very interesting and that i am able to play correctly :D
I hope they will (re)think what they did with the warrior.

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Originally Posted by Didje

I'm prepared to switch to DRK for 4.0... yet i do not like this job. War is the only job i found very interesting and that i am able to play correctly :D
I hope they will (re)think what they did with the warrior.

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why not try PLD? DRK isn't in better situation than WAR currently

Important question , since every1 is so scared about the stance that costs 50% gauge... are you able to switch stance if your gauge is 0?

Yes you can, based on what we've seen on the skill descriptions.

Just a tip: Boycotting a job is probably the worst thing you can do if you want the job to improve post-4.0. The best thing you can do it play the job, put together an informed opinion based on your experience both before and after 4.0, then place that opinion on the forums and discuss it with others in a calm and rational manner. Then, do whatever. This will give the dev team both your informed opinion and perhaps a decline in WAR usage, the former being more important than the latter.

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Originally Posted by Pyitoechito

Just a tip: Boycotting a job is probably the worst thing you can do if you want the job to improve post-4.0. The best thing you can do it play the job, put together an informed opinion based on your experience both before and after 4.0, then place that opinion on the forums and discuss it with others in a calm and rational manner. Then, do whatever. This will give the dev team both your informed opinion and perhaps a decline in WAR usage, the former being more important than the latter.

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Not really, if SE sees a large amount of players playing DRK or WHM to 70, they think the jobs are OK as is. If they see a severe drop in DRK/WHM players, they see something is wrong and requires attention.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Not really, if SE sees a large amount of players playing DRK or WHM to 70, they think the jobs are OK as is. If they see a severe drop in DRK/WHM players, they see something is wrong and requires attention.

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Yeah, the best thing right now is for a ton of tanks to just walk away to other classes so they can see the error of these changes.

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Originally Posted by Ghald

WAR flavour has been to combine our defence with offence that's why we have less mitigation utility than PLD, if I wanted to play a traditional tank job then I would play PLD because they are the king of mitigation.

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For the love of all you consider holy and the cheese cakes... That CAN'T BE MORE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Please stop spreading the meme.

PLD mitigates more damage than WAR for 10 seconds ONLY, every 7 minutes. Outside of those 10 seconds WAR just flat out wins. Over an entire fight it might be 5~7% now, in HW it might be even more.


Inner Beast vs Rampart alone shows 50% more up-time + healing. You can use 4 Inner beasts per minute, that's 6 Inner beasts in 90 seconds. 6 x 6s = 36 seconds. Rampart lasts 20 seconds. 300 (will be 350 in SB) potency healing x6? 1800 potency healing. Oh but in SB WAR gets Rampart on top of IB.

Sentinel vs Vengeance? You can use 3 vengeances when PLD uses 2 Sentinles. that's 45s of vengeance vs 20 of Sentinel.

Bulwark Vs Raw Intuition? WAR uses 2 RI vs 1 Bulwark, that's 40s of RI vs 15 of Sentinel. Also 100% vs 60%. Okay, Bulwark will block magic. have fun.

Invencible vs Holmgang? Yes Invencible is stronger, but 7 minutes vs 3.

CDs WAR has PLD doesn't: Thrill of Battle, Second Wind.

CD both tanks had but PLD could't use well: Bloodbath.

Block eats at PLD's parry so PLD's parries less. WAR parries more at base but there's also the defiance bonus.

If you want to stack CDs, PLD can't afford to (doesn't really need to), but WAR can because he doesn't gaf. And even then, if PLD stacks all CDs and blocks vs WAR stacking all CDs, WAR is 13% ahead in effective health.

Boss has too many frequent tank busters? PLD is forced into tank swaps, WAR doesn't really need to. But guess what? ALL mitigation is down the drain if you just "survive" by tank swapping and using ultimates..... Of which PLD sucks at because lol7minute CD.

Stop falling for the meme that PLD mitigates more. What PLD has now is more utility and seemingly more DPS.

WAR's flavour for me is: The power house that doesn't care and just pumps out as much damage as it can take in and survive. If that stays true in SB, I'm sold.

The fact that WAR loses half their beast gauge hurts WAR the most though because their abilities are locked behind the stances.

PLD losing gauge doesn't hurt as much simply because they can just spend it on Shelltron or whatever then switch. WAR doesn't have the luxury of using Inner beast to mitigate damage as you switch to Defiance. Switching at 100 rage means I lost a potential cleave/IB. And spending it on FC before going Defiance means I won't have IB and vise versa is just as bad. This is my problem with its changes atm.

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Originally Posted by Ghald

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Im absolutely with you.. When yoshi said " We havent forgotten you Tanks and Healers." i believed him even though i was extremely disapointed with Samurai being no Tank. But Hell what is this? Yesterday i had a Weeping City Run with 2 new healers. I was the only one Surviving the entire fight ( as a WAR ofc) Thanks to Bloodbath. This made it even more clear to me how much this nerf will hurt.

Also: the lack of Flash will hurt in bigger Pulls and we got no other Aoe Enmity Skill that fills it.

IF i keep tanking i gotta switch to Paladin... but im looking at that sweet Katana...

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Originally Posted by Phoenicia

Please stop spreading the meme.

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I think PLD will be the king of protecting others, and that's nice :)