Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

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Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Hence by now people should realize majority rules unless your building a group. Just go with the flow, farm tomes, xp, shards, eventually you will get silver chest. People are just picky and don't realize, technically SE made it so it's solo able.

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Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

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Gm told me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

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Soooo why not ask for FC help? or build a party? Older content can be bit harsh for newer player. There is always options. Mentors, or sprout LS is a great way to find people. New players just need to be guided and speak up for help. As a mentor I can't read peoples minds but when I'm asked for help always help with either advice or help them do runs. Those who speak will be heard, Those who listen will be helped, those who complain and don't act on advice are usually ignored. If people are being picky on who they get at random perhaps shouting or placing a PF request might work better for them. Not to discourage but it's the sad reality in gaming and in life.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

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This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with. You seem to forget that those other three people are also there to play their game - not to help your friend. I fully understand that that was an unfortunate situation, but as far as the game is concerend all thats required to progress on PotD floors is to kill enough mobs to open the next way - if someone just went right to the lamp and afk'd, leaving that to the rest of the party I'd fully agree with it being griefing and against the ToS. But unlocking the path - all that PotD requires you to do - and then saying "I'd prefer to progress and two other people are with me, we wont go after chests" is okay. Your friend isnt alone their either and their intrest isnt more important than that of those other people.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

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1) That might be conflicted with their "We cant say anything on those matters"-policy (and I'm not sure how a statistic would help), but okay
2) Clearer rules would be nice, I can agree with that - then again... what more of a general rule than "Dont harm other people" do we need, really? Do you want them to have a rule that says "You may not speed run"? And since we're always dealing with people here it might be sensbile once in a while and a GM needs to look into the problem anyways to see if a rule applies or not...
3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?
4) I assume that would create more issues than it would fix - by splitting the DF into more categories the shortage of tanks and healers would most likely increase and I can see this leading to more "toxciety" (as in: a person queuing up for speed runs, because that queue is faster, but not actually being able to do them, so the rest of the party insults them for holding them back - with the actual backup that they queued for a speed run)

I'm pretty sure they are aware that there are problems within the PvE-playerbase (hence why they wont give us a parser for example), but they're not considered so extreme or dont occure so often that they actually feel they have to do something about it - and from most of the runs I'm doing I can totally see why. Maybe its my datacenter, dont know, but I barely get people that I even want to report...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with.

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Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?

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I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?


I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

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What part of the ToS do you feel violated by that? If its 3.2 I say again: The example you've given (one person wants chests, the other ones want to move on) goes both ways. Both parties harming the experience of the other ones. Both are valid ways to approach and play that content - its a difference in playstyle which is tolerated (and yes, I think it should stay that way)

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard - it was an easy (maybe not the most elegant) fix for a real problem. Because it works in one type of content doesnt mean it will work in another - again: I think it helped The Feast, I got a lot of friends to try it for the first time now that they dont have to worry anymore that people will get upset with them... PvP and PvE are different types of content (I dont even really know when someone would have time to chat in The Feast tbh), the atmosphere in PvP is a lot more tense because its an actual competition, patience is running even more thin etc. etc.
I honestly dont even get why you are so upset about that...

If you are about "consistency" so much do you also want a vote-kick feature for The Feast and Diadem?

People tend to not communicate in PotD. If I want nothing but XP, I just go to the portal because I've noticed it tends to encourage people to head towards the portal as well, even if rooms are left undiscovered and chests are left ungotten. If they go off on some grand adventure and it takes too long, I'll go see if I can speed it up, or if they ask to make sure we get silver chests or whatever, I'll comply. I'm not terribly picky. However, my default behavior in the absence of such requests is to simply clear a path to the cairn and hang out there in hopes that people decide to follow in order to get in and out as quickly as possible. The only exception to this is floors 91-100, where I like to open all of the chests until I get a Pomander of Resolution because I've very nearly gotten to the boss without one in some runs where we skipped virtually everything and that would be inconvenient, especially with some lower, less skilled, or less coordinated groups.

In a random party, majority rules. If the majority want to speed run then it becomes a speed run. If you don't like that then you need to form a premade. They're free to afk at the exit once unlocked if they don't want to look for chests. You can't force them to. And you don't get to decide what the intended way to play is.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

What part of the ToS do you feel violated by that? If its 3.2 I say again: The example you've given (one person wants chests, the other ones want to move on) goes both ways. Both parties harming the experience of the other ones. Both are valid ways toapproach and play that content - its a difference in playstyle which is tolerated (and yes, I think it should stay that way)

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard - it was an easy (maybe not the most elegant) fix for a real problem. Because it works in one type of content doesnt mean it will work in another - again: I think it helped The Feast, I got a lot of friends to try it for the first time now that they dont have to worry anymore that people will get upset with them... PvP and PvE are different types of content (I dont even really know when someone would have time to chat in The Feast tbh), the atmosphere in PvP is a lot more tense because its an actual competition, patience is running even more thin etc. etc.
I honestly dont even get why you are so upset about that...

If you are about "consistency" so much do you also want a vote-kick feature for The Feast and Diadem?

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If you ask someone to play the content and they say "No I rather AFK because I want to speed run" that is a ToS violation, I can only assume you are not understanding me.

yeah diadem was not well thought out to allow kick to be viable, it is needed in some cases, but they do not let replacements to come in.

Baning chat in PvP is not a fix, that is one of the worst arguments I ever heard. It does not work in feast, it does not prevent toxicity. I seen MORE toxicity come out from the change, provoking people to abuse spam the messages and make alts to the different servers to talk to them, etc.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

In a random party, majority rules. If the majority want to speed run then it becomes a speed run. If you don't like that then you need to form a premade. They're free to afk at the exit once unlocked if they don't want to look for chests. You can't force them to. And you don't get to decide what the intended way to play is.

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No it is not, that is called greifing and impeding progress of new people/ people that need silvers. You can't greif people jsut because the greifers are in the majority.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

If you ask someone to play the content and they say "No I rather AFK because I want to speed run" that is a ToS violation, I can only assume you are not understanding me.

yeah diadem was not well thought out to allow kick to be viable, it is needed in some cases, but they do not let replacements to come in.

Baning chat in PvP is not a fix, that is one of the worst arguments I ever heard. It does not work in feast, it does not prevent toxicity. I seen MORE toxicity come out from the change, provoking people to abuse spam the messages and make alts to the different servers to talk to them, etc.



No it is not, that is called greifing and impeding progress of new people/ people that need silvers. You can't greif people jsut because the greifers are in the majority.

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It's not griefing when people refuse to help you. PoTD is a free for all just like diadem. Kicking anybody for refusing to help is abusing the kick functionality, making you the bad guy. The only objective in PoTD is advance to the next floor.

This is almost the same argument as saying speed runners in leveling dungeons are griefing because they skip mobs newer players need to level up. The only objective in a dungeon is to clear it.