House flipping is 100% confirmed against ToS, send vegetable naysayers to this thread

Man its so great that SE is coming down on people re-selling their houses. I hope the 6-8 month wait for new wards, that will most likely be only FC housing, and apartments do it for the majority. As much as I like to see the people trying to get like 10x the plots worth out of people getting a slap on the wrist, you've all pretty much shot yourself in the foot. Houses can not and will not move if they can't be resold wether you're against it or not. Small win tho I guess right?

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Neither the reclamation system nor selling of houses will have as a substantial impact in allowing housing to be more accessible to all as more wards would, especially when a significant amount of houses being sold are houses that should have been on the market anyway and aren't because players wanted to make a profit.

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In the past 23 months on my server, the breakdown of additions to housing availability:

• New wards just added - 720 houses
• Reclamation - 324+ houses (that's the number reclaimed on Christmas)
• Selling (not including flipping) - unknown, likely at least 100
• Houses demolished out of benevolence - unknown, likely in the single digits

ps - if you want to accuse someone of being a troll for stating their opinion, don't jump into a discussion and spend the first half of your post mocking and name calling.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

What is a vegetable?

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A Dragon Ball Z character.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

Small win tho I guess right?

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Punishing people for flipping houses is not really the solution to the housing shortage overall but it is a way to tackle screwing other people over for profit on what is one of the most limited and highly sought after things in the game, something SE already set a 'maximum' price on what people should have to pay which flippers exceed in their greed.

This issue should not be be ignored just because it does not solve every other issue with housing and SE have it right on this in that they do not want people flipping houses and will punish those who do it. SE also needs to come up with solutions to the other housing related problems but this is also something they should not ignore in the meantime and thankfully they are not ignoring it. SE are also doing things like introducing apartments soon to try and help with housing shortage issue, they can tackle multiple issues or try to without having to pretend one of the issues doesn't exist just because there are other issues too. We have to wait and see what apartments end up actually being but SE did say everyone will be able to own one if can afford to do so unlike the current system with ward plots.

SE could in theory add an NPC buy back from player option in future too perhaps but it would have to be restricted to selling back to an NPC at same price or less than paid for it from the game in the first place and NPC puts back on the market at the same price cost to buy from the game. That way people wont be screwed over by other players charging them to relinquish and also having to buy the plot from the game on top of that. For now until such an option comes around (if it does) anyone flipping houses should rightly be punished for doing so and even if they introduce such a feature people who sell plots privately outside of that NPC option should also be punished in my opinion.

Well me and my buddies are sitting on 3 houses in Lavender Beds we no longer need since we are now sharing a nicer one, they are just sitting there empty. Reclamation is on hold so they will just have to sit there I guess empty and waiting on it to be restarted and then another 45 days until they go under. So that is 2 small and 1 med Lavender Beds plots that are not doing anyone any good because SE cannot figure out how to do this whole housing thing.

People want to complain and moan about lack of housing but then this is what their complaints do since I wont risk a ban by being reported by the housing warriors out there nor am I going to take gillions in loss when I can ride out reclamation and get 80% back. So you can go without your house while we sit on these empty ones. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Punishing people for flipping houses is not really the solution to the housing shortage overall

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It's not the solution because flipping isn't the problem. Flipping is a symptom of the actual problem, which is lack of housing. And much like an illness in your body, the symptom is a way of the system trying to resolve the problem.

Also, SE never set a "maximum" price for housing, they set an initial price.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It's not the solution because flipping isn't the problem. Flipping is a symptom of the actual problem, which is lack of housing. And much like an illness in your body, the symptom is a way of the system trying to resolve the problem.

Also, SE never set a "maximum" price for housing, they set an initial price.

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Even if your analogy was correct, you do not ignore treating the symptoms and neither should they. When you have pain from an illness or injury you take pain relief, if you sneeze and snot comes pouring out...you wipe your nose I hope. If you have diarrhea I assume you don't choose to shit in your pants just because doing it in a toilet won't change the fact you have diarrhea.

SE set a maximum price for plots, quit trying to weasel your way around things. That initial price SE set is the maximum amount SE says you should have to pay for a plot. It goes down and not up over time and it is players abusing the system for greed which exceeds that maximum price when house flipping. Even those who are not doing it purely for greed are forcing other players to pay twice and combining paying for relinquish from players and paying the for the plot on top also exceeds the maximum price SE have already set. SE have made it pretty damn clear it is against the ToS to do it and people who do so will get punished.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Even if your analogy was correct

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The reason for oozing fluids when you are sick is to flush toxins/irritants/bacteria/viruses out of your system, and preventing your body from oozing those fluids prolongs the illness. Cleaning up those fluids assists the symptoms, it doesn't suppress them. Likewise, house selling relieves a fraction of the demand for housing.

SE uses the term minimum price, but never maximum. You call it that for the sake of your argument, nobody with SE does.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

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Even though you are providing no reference for these numbers I'm willing to assume you aren't pulling them out of your ass and give you the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake. You are still making my point for me in that being able to flip houses is not significantly allowing for greater access to housing for the player base.

It doesn't solve anything, there are still a finite number of plots with a demand for them far exceeding what can be made available. All it does is very poorly delay an existing problem and further restricts the type of player base that is able to utilize the housing feature which is the complete opposite of what you claim you want supposedly. There is no point defending the selling of land since your own statistics are showing that reclamation is doing far more for the situation than selling is able to.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Even though you are providing no reference for these numbers I'm willing to assume you aren't pulling them out of your ass and give you the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake. You are still making my point for me in that being able to flip houses is not significantly allowing for greater access to housing for the player base.

It doesn't solve anything, there are still a finite number of plots with a demand for them far exceeding what can be made available. All it does is very poorly delay an existing problem and further restricts the type of player base that is able to utilize the housing feature which is the complete opposite of what you claim you want supposedly. There is no point defending the selling of land since your own statistics are showing that reclamation is doing far more for the situation than selling is able to.

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