Hillarity.

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Originally Posted by zosia

It is, you can get more secondary stats on diadem 210 gear than you can get on other 210 pieces, how do you not know this? Not to mention favorable itemization is a huge thing to consider (acc on healer gear, avoiding undesirable secondary stats).

I guess this is what happens when you debate with someone who does not actually do the content.

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The odds of you getting the gear for your job and bis is extremely low. All the stats are random. Yes you can 210 gear with high mind but if you're determination or crit is low it maybe not be his. Having extra secondary stats doesn't automatically make it bis.

The only people that really complained about Diadem were the people who did endgame Savage. M-Muh 210 gear.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The original statement was 1 ilvl 210 piece per week as a lockout, to prevent people from gearing up very quickly with better gear than Alex Savage, essentially best in slot gear, so that was the starting point. I simply wanted to point out, as I have done, that suck a lockout would destroy Diadem....

Once again the specter of raiders insecure about casual players having good gear rears it's ugly head.

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Once again, a poster projects what they want on the person they are speaking with so they can make baseless assumptions?

Actually, I do not partake in end game raids in this game. While I have in others, I do not have to consistency with available times to join a static. Also, the BIS gear grind has made me burn out on games, so I am taking a different approach to this one.

But that aside, it would far from destroy diadem, people would probably run it more, because they would be more picky about the gear they are looking for, so they would pass on things until they got that golden piece. Which isn't too rare, but rare enough to keep things going.

I really don't see how you rationalize that a lock out would make it worse, do you think they are talking about locking people out after one run? I could see your logic if that was the case. Its not like you have to roll on a piece that drops you know.

To be totally honest, I don't really care what gear people have. Maybe that's why I consider a lockout on par with other content to be fair. I'm not basing my argument on what I want. But like I said earlier, lock outs come with their own issues, like people dropping as soon as they get their loot, so a work around would have to happen.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Yeah, and I have around 5 pieces of BiS gear with amazing stats from admittedly spamming my rotation.

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Thats whats really annoying about changes like this. Now others that didn't jump on the Diadem bandwagon before nerf have to spend alot more time for an SE screw up.

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

The odds of you getting the gear for your job and bis is extremely low. All the stats are random. Yes you can 210 gear with high mind but if you're determination or crit is low it maybe not be his. Having extra secondary stats doesn't automatically make it bis.

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I easily see at least one bis 210 every time I do diadem hard. They are not as rare as you think.

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Originally Posted by zosia

And it does not matter when the casual players no life it and spend all day in diadem. You're ignoring the fact that all the gear rewards in all the other content is invalidated by diadem.

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How can you possibly say I ignore that when one of my first posts in thi discussion demonstrated how running Diadem 24/7 would still result in a very low chance of obtaing what you fear?

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Originally Posted by Riki_Namu

Thats whats really annoying about changes like this. Now others that didn't jump on the Diadem bandwagon before nerf have to spend alot more time for an SE screw up.

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Anecdotal cases of people who have great fortune, don't alter the facts about rarity of gear, that is the nature of outcomes based on RNG. For every person who has acquired some good pieces, there are hundreds with none.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Anecdotal cases of people who have great fortune, don't alter the facts about rarity of gear, that is the nature of outcomes based on RNG. For every person who has acquired some good pieces, there are hundreds with none.

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where is your proof that this gear is so rare? I often see amazing 210 pieces in hard mode. At least one BiS per run out of all the gold chest.

Also, your statements are just as anecdotal. You have no sample size to back up any of your claims. You're simply being as presumptuous as the people you are accusing.

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

The only people that really complained about Diadem were the people who did endgame Savage. M-Muh 210 gear.

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All I see in your response is "waaaah people don't like my sense of entitlement, I love doing no work for all the rewards"

See, anyone can be hyperbolic and it adds nothing of value. Thanks for your contribution.

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Originally Posted by zosia

I easily see at least one bis 210 every time I do diadem. They are not as rare as you think.

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Saw a 2xNIN chests, one Caster chest, and a DRG legs that were all great last run, also a pretty good Heal chest. I just never see anything that great in the classes I am running.

Jus throwing this out here, let's look at what BiS means for a DPS class and how RNGeesus bestows us in Diadem.

210 Chest/Pants = 150+ in substats divided into 2 substats.
210 Head/Hands/Boots = 98~99 in substats.
210 Belts = 70+ in substats.
210 Accessories = Around 70~75 in substats.

Now, it is totally possible to get a great monster piece from Diadem. My current Diadem chest is 240+ in substats. Which is a total beast.
But at what cost? Since launch I ran Diadem about 20 times, during those runs I ran into about 5 BRD 210 pieces. 3 were totally useless with less than 40 substats or none at all, 1 was the previously mentioned chest and 1 is boots with only 110 in substats.

Let's see how RNG works with distributing 210 gear in Diadem.
Did a Star spawn? > Did you manage to get a gold chest? > Is the loot for your class? > Then we get to the holy grail of RNG, the distribution of substats. Which ranges from 0~??? substats.

So let's start off with a case scenario. 210 Gordian hands for BRD is CRT58 and SS41. During Diadem you find a hand that has all 4 substats ranging from 20-30 each stat, CRT being ~25 and SS ~20. This would not technically make it BiS over the Gordian hands. Specially if you have enough ACC, the bonus DET would not cover the loss of CRT and SS.
It is possible to find a better piece, but to find one which has close stats to the Gordian piece and more, would be detrimentally rare.
I wouldn't consider myself as the luckiest bunch in the crowd, but I spent around 20 runs (1800 hours) running the full 90 minutes. With that effort I found myself one beastly piece, I gained 83 DET and 48ss, but I lost 50ACC and 15 crit.

To get 'the' perfect piece without any loss for every slot for your class... would take endless grinding.
Which will only be replaced with the next big update. Then the cycle begins again.

Some people say 'good' 210 pieces are easy to get, but are they REALLY BiS? I personally have seen people run around with a full 210 Diadem set left to right, but after careful observation, the numbers did not add up.
For example I found BRD with a full pink set. Almost every piece had crit. You would think amazing right? After actually doing the math, that player actually had less crit than my current BiS where I only use 2 pink pieces.

Practically speaking, it will be mind numbing to say the least, to get all perfect pieces. Your keyboard will probably reach the end of its lifetime by the time you get them all.