New Direction in Content

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Is this not what we have with Alex? Do you have no recollection of the past? When they do this people will just complain "The fights haveno new mechanics, just higher dps checks, they are boring. Gear is just just recolor of normal mode with no new story and no reason to do it.". There is no winning (although I personally prefer the Alex way). Unless people have forgotten, people who develop the game are also regular players and they know what is a good idea based on the fact that they can model their own enjoyment of the content as any particular working adult, which is their main demographic. Usually the people who have problems with the scheme are just people who did not fit inside of the targeted demographic.

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You missed the point. Alex N was tuned to appeal to the non-raiders in this game. Why can't raiders have something more in line with what would appeal to them every "catch up" patch?

Thus far, if all we are getting is SR EX, 3.1 will be one of the cheapest end game patches ever released.

We are literally at this point where we are begging for a modicum of decent end game content. SE is just all over the map and their poor performance is finally starting to show.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I see it more as a stepstone that will replace the tome stepstones. Don't forget, there will be players who join during or after 3.1

3.0: last leveling dungeon (ilevel 148) -> first lv 60 dungeon (ilevel 160) -> law tomes (ilevel 180) -> Esotheric tomes (ilevel 200)
3.1: last leveling dungeon (ilevel 148) -> first lv 60 dungeon (ilevel 160) -> law tomes (ilevel 180) -> Ark1 (ilevel 200) + Esotheric tomes (ilevel 200)
3.2: last leveling dungeon (ilevel 148) -> first lv 60 dungeon (ilevel 160) -> Ark1 (ilevel 200) + Esotheric tomes (ilevel 200) -> ??? tomes (ilevel 220)
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3.4: last leveling dungeon (ilevel 148) -> first lv 60 dungeon (ilevel 160) -> Ark1 (ilevel200) -> Ark2 + ??? tomes (ilevel 220) + ??? tomes (ilevel 240)

Even during 2.5 there were still new players to those the CT was a nice option to gear up. Particularly if their average ilevel was only between 50 (enough to enter CT1) and 80 (required for high level roulette in 2.5). Now they can just buy a full set of ilevel 115 gear.

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Yeah, still seems pointless since eso tomes will be uncapped in 3.2 and anyone can be ilvl 200 from a week of grinding DF. That's what catch up should be. Void ark is literally just for glamour and alts, oh and the welfare upgrade items.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

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TLDR: It's the player's fault that people are not enjoying the game, it has nothing to do with the dev team.

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Fixed that for ya.

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Originally Posted by zosia

Yeah, still seems pointless since eso tomes will be uncapped in 3.2 and anyone can be ilvl 200 from a week of grinding DF.

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Yes. But at the same time law get removed and ex roulette min. ilevel get increased (to whatever the min. ilevel of the 3.2 ex dungeons will be). So the people who just reach lv60 have to farm first gears before they can use the roulette to farm tomes. And maybe Ark1 reward with more highest tome than a lv60 dungeon outside of roulette. And in later patches the cap between a fresh lv60 player and the roulette min. ilevel increase more again.

What I want to say is that Ark1 can be a important stepstone of progression to those who reach lv60 later.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Yes. But at the same time law get removed and ex roulette min. ilevel get increased (to whatever the min. ilevel of the 3.2 ex dungeons will be). So the people have to grind first for gears before they can use the roulette to farm tomes.

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Yes, that would be the point. These players are "catching up" so they have not been grinding for eso gear anyway. This would be new content for them to enjoy on top of the new content of 3.2.

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What I want to say is that Ark1 can be a important stepstone of progression to those who reach lv60 later.

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Ark1 should be an important stepping stone for players who have been subbed throughout 3.0, not just for players who were not around that need to catch up. Why Should SE be making content for players who did not play in the 3.0 endgame? SE should be making stepping stones for people who are now currently ilvl 200 or higher, not for people who are just resubing or hit lvl 60 last week.

So outside of BiSing or a challenge(a nuts one imo)...What's the point of doing Savage now with Void Ark dropping upgrade mats for eso gear?

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

So outside of BiSing or a challenge(a nuts one imo)...What's the point of doing Savage now with Void Ark dropping upgrade mats for eso gear?

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BiS comes from explorations. The only reason is the challenge at this point.

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Originally Posted by zosia

BiS comes from explorations. The only reason is the challenge at this point.

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Eh, they're aetherial equipment. I'm not so sure to be honest even with the 210 potential.

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

So outside of BiSing or a challenge(a nuts one imo)...What's the point of doing Savage now with Void Ark dropping upgrade mats for eso gear?

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It's also completely possible (follow me here, now) that the Void Ark does not drop upgrade mats for eso gear. Let's not make assumptions. SE changed the raiding model in 3.0 and the Raid weapon is no longer a higher ilvl than the tome weapon. Also let's not assume that you can get 210 gear from the easy islands. I'm pretty sure that they are going to be as rare as atma at this point, and likely only from the very last islands you can discover with a max level airship. And even then, stats are randomized.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

It's also completely possible (follow me here, now) that the Void Ark does not drop upgrade mats for eso gear. Let's not make assumptions.

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Technically speaking, you are correct given I used incorrect wording:

http://puu.sh/kYVpv/7430cb78b1.jpg

Which is why I questioned the point of doing Savage outside of BiSing and challenge content. I'm not even going to factor the islands. I feel getting the tokens to upgrade something as little as a shoe will take two or so weeks, making it longer than running A2 weekly given your group's RNG is good.

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Originally Posted by zosia

BiS comes from explorations. The only reason is the challenge at this point.

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BiS won't be decided until some shmuck gets a decent piece of randomized gear, posts a screenshot, becomes "most sought after stats and nothing can compare". Ya'll can have fun with that mess lol

Even if the eploratory 210 gear isn't equal to the savage 210 I'll probably still primarily work on that simply because Savage just feels like more coil without the great story attached to it. If I can take my entire FC and go roam some islands and kill some big mobs and generally have a good time exploring with my friends - I would MUCH rather do that than slam my head against insta-wipe mechanics for hours until everyone learns the script.