"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

They stand around AFK waiting for a vote kick because then they circumvent the penalty timer and are able to cherry pick a different group. The best way to prevent this type of behaviour, imo, is to implement a penalty timer on the players who get vote kicked.

Asking/expecting the rest of the party to use their limited vote kick option is selfish.

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Then report them kick them and move on, I cant see why you would not give the spot to someone who wants to be there especially DPS with wait times as bad as they are if and if its a healer/ tank AFK you cant do the dungeon at all in most cases so you just sit there doing nothing.

How often a day do you votekick someone anyways I dont think I have ever used it more then once in entire day

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

They stand around AFK waiting for a vote kick because then they circumvent the penalty timer and are able to cherry pick a different group. The best way to prevent this type of behaviour, imo, is to implement a penalty timer on the players who get vote kicked.

Asking/expecting the rest of the party to use their limited vote kick option is selfish.

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Na I like my idea break 100% armor if they don't fight up to 2 bosses. It's selfish to stand around and let others do all the work just because the game chose a fight you didn't like.

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Originally Posted by Caiera

I do not agree however, that a vote kick should get a penalty, my reasoning is that since Heavensward started, my DC rate has increased ten fold, before HW I probably only DC'd once every 2-3 days, after HW I now get DC'd approx 3-4 times a day, so I would not appreciate it if during a DC, I get vote kicked and also receive a penalty for something that is beyond my control.

I think a more appropriate penalty would be that if a player is inactive while inside the dungeon for a certain amount of time, then they would receive a penalty, so anyone that doesn't want to leave because of a penalty would also be discouraged from just sitting around and not participating.

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In all fairness, when someone DC's, the majority of groups that I've been in don't just auto vote kick. Most teams wait a fair amount of time 5+ mins to see if the player is coming back.

I don't really foresee that implementing a vote kick penalty timer on people who DC will have the huge impact that is being implied. Even if it does they can take that short amount of time and let their connection even out (craft/gather/etc.).

However, the idea of an inactive penalty timer (like the auto kick in PVP if you're inactive) is a good suggestion and could work. It would have to be something to the affect of attacking mobs and not just running around; don't want them running in circles waiting to be kicked while doing nothing.

As a mostly tank and healer... I really don't care. If I kick you or you leave - your replacement is already in the queue anyway. So whether or not I kick you or make you suffer is just going to depend on how much I am failing myself that day. If I'm acting beneath my own dignity, I might be spiteful and make you eat the cooldown... Otherwise I'd just click to let you go - because why be a jerk to someone else?

I also DPS on a third character... (I know you can do every class on one character, but you can't do every race on one character, and I like clean divisions of things anyway... and it just so happens that I was able to get 3 characters onto my server before the freeze has kept me from getting any more...)

It WOULD hurt my DPS if I let you go if you were the tank or the healer... but then again, do I really want to deal with you being there when you don't want to be? My DPS is still leveling, so I've not yet faced any very long queues... I don't know how much of a jerk I will find myself feeling like becoming once I start facing hour long queues (how long are they for DPS anyway)... But I should hope I can still retain some decency and just let people who want to go, go easy...

It bothers me a little bit when people do that, but I won't withhold the kick if they want it. You're punishing the whole group by not kicking them; it's not like they ever go "oh okay, I guess I'll just do the dungeon then." Generally they'll troll/sabotage/afk. It's annoying, but trying to get back at them by not kicking is just shooting yourself in the foot over a petty internet squabble.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

It bothers me a little bit when people do that, but I won't withhold the kick if they want it. You're punishing the whole group by not kicking them; it's not like they ever go "oh okay, I guess I'll just do the dungeon then." Generally they'll troll/sabotage/afk. It's annoying, but trying to get back at them by not kicking is just shooting yourself in the foot over a petty internet squabble.

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The point is these players likely wouldn't even be behaving like this if there was an appropriate penalty applied to them when vote kick is used.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

The point is these players likely wouldn't even be behaving like this if there was an appropriate penalty applied to them when vote kick is used.

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Eventually that became the point, but wasn't originally. Doesn't really negate my point either. A penalty might help, but with the game how it is right now I don't think withholding kicks is gonna lead to anything good.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

It bothers me a little bit when people do that, but I won't withhold the kick if they want it. You're punishing the whole group by not kicking them; it's not like they ever go "oh okay, I guess I'll just do the dungeon then." Generally they'll troll/sabotage/afk. It's annoying, but trying to get back at them by not kicking is just shooting yourself in the foot over a petty internet squabble.

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In a lot of cases it would punish the group anyway as it takes so long to get a group in DF as it is (except for reset days), so you vote kick the person that queued for this instance of their own volition, and then because of that one selfish person, the group has to wait around hoping for someone else to join.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Na I like my idea break 100% armor if they don't fight up to 2 bosses. It's selfish to stand around and let others do all the work just because the game chose a fight you didn't like.

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What would breaking their armor do though? They clearly weren't fighting anything anyway if it comes to that and repairing your gear is neither time consuming nor expensive so I can't see how this is in any way a deterrent for douchey behavior.

The unfortunate thing is that it's usually just faster to kick them and look for replacement than to wait for them to leave. However, the only way to fix the problem would be to add the deserter penalty to being kicked. But, that comes with it's own issues because then people who are wrongly kicked are abused twice... once being wrongly kicked, and twice being having to wait the penalty.

On the other hand, it does punish people who were kicked for valid reasons, which is actually a good thing.