Improve Dragoon DPS. WEAK in comparison to other DPS

only thing i would say is give dragoons a bit more magical defense ..... thats it as far as dps goes i play both and they both do good dmg so there no difference between both other than playstyle

For those who need a boost/buff to their dragoon it already exists! It's here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn
Read and practice and you'll see that you're going to be permanently buffed.

The only thing I'd would see boosted a bit is our magical defense not to be the one who cost the most mana to my healers during Coils/Primals and not being the squishiest one of the party. But as having Defense > Magic Defense was decided by SE as being our signature I guess those healers will have to deal with it. At least it's of some use for taking WW in the face on GarudaX and to take the East Titan Egi on TitanX the time the OT takes the West one and come get my add.

I... I don't get it... the DRG in our static is almost always top DPS on most fights... Unless he messes up and dies to a tail swipe or something silly like that. I don't play one myself, only got it to 34 for B4B, but really just learn rotations remember to actually move around and you should be higher up, and gear, gear is good too.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Can't read parser most likely. I see so many "I do over 300 dps" people an none of them can back it up. The fact they are always bad says to me they just don't understand parsers.

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Humm, I parse 360 consistently on Atomos and Cad, and my highest was 373 time-on-target on Atomos. I was trying to see if someone can consistently do >380 without the Allagan Spear. I think I could hit 380 on a pure static fight with it, particularly in a no-acc configuration like Atomos, but it wouldn't be too much different for Cad.

I'm having absolutely no trouble putting out high dps on my DRG. I'm almost always 2nd on hate in end game content, with 3 and 4 usually being healers.

The only job that can beat DRG in single target is MNK; yes, MNK does do more but its not by any significant amount and requires the fight be dragged on long enough. The trade-off is that MNK is harder to maintain: they have more positional requirements (I LOL at the guy who said DRG have more) and losing a single stack of Lightning can really hurt you. DRG also have higher initial damage and high burst while MNK takes a while to build up, even if you use Perfect Balance to build your Lightning.

Assuming everyone knows what they doing, melee should NEVER lose a single target fight to any range DPS in any fight unless the gear difference is drastic. This applies even to fights like Garuda EX, but it requires coordination and knowing the fight well.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Humm, I parse 360 consistently on Atomos and Cad, and my highest was 373 time-on-target on Atomos. I was trying to see if someone can consistently do >380 without the Allagan Spear. I think I could hit 380 on a pure static fight with it, particularly in a no-acc configuration like Atomos, but it wouldn't be too much different for Cad.

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i think its a different parsers giving different results issue. which is weird. but i still think its happening. i average 300 on a dummy, using allagan spear and the parser that shall not be named. burst phase, yes i hit 390, but that doesn't last long.

Either i'm doing something extremely wrong (which i honestly doubt) or....idk, some discrepancy between different parsers.

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Originally Posted by PenutButter

The trade-off is that MNK is harder to maintain: they have more positional requirements (I LOL at the guy who said DRG have more) and losing a single stack of Lightning can really hurt you. DRG also have higher initial damage and high burst while MNK takes a while to build up, even if you use Perfect Balance to build your Lightning.
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eh. DRG may not have more pos requirements, but they sure as hell get penalized a lot more for missing them. its not as bad as losing your GL ofc, but it can really screw you.

also, no, monk can't burst like DRG but they can use PB to quickly ramp up to be on par or ahead of DRG's non-burst DPS

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Originally Posted by matic

i think its a different parsers giving different results issue. which is weird. but i still think its happening. i average 300 on a dummy, using allagan spear and the parser that shall not be named. burst phase, yes i hit 390, but that doesn't last long.

Either i'm doing something extremely wrong (which i honestly doubt) or....idk, some discrepancy between different parsers.

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According to FFXIV App, used by a "friend," I've seen results of 360 sustained on a training dummy using the rotation posted in the DRG rotation topic. Could just be difference of parsers, but it also comes damn close to MNK who can easily do 370+ to a training dummy, sometimes closer to 380 before running dry.

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Originally Posted by matic

i think its a different parsers giving different results issue. which is weird. but i still think its happening. i average 300 on a dummy, using allagan spear and the parser that shall not be named. burst phase, yes i hit 390, but that doesn't last long.

Either i'm doing something extremely wrong (which i honestly doubt) or....idk, some discrepancy between different parsers.

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No offense, but I think you're doing something extremely wrong.

Note: if the other person parsing you is using certain parsers, then those may have a hard time cutting off or beginning the fight appropriately (because there are other players in the zone attacking mobs), so your results may be off.