New Class/Job in 2.2?

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Originally Posted by OmegaNovaios

If DRK doesn't go 2H (whether Greatsword or Scythe) then EVERYONE is going to be rioting the forums at that fail of what I have stated above: throwing the job under the bus. DRK isn't even a job on my top 5 jobs I'm hoping to see, but to see a DRK holding a Sword and Shield for DPS is just unacceptable to me. Sure you can DPS with that setup. It's very easy to rewrite stats so that GLA attacks can do dmg with a new job, but when you turn the iconic DRK into something so different people are going to be very angry when they expect to roll on "DRK" and get handed a Tank or a 1H DPS.

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Firstly, DPSing with a one-handed sword and a shield isn't as unreasonable as you might think. Regardless of your opinion on FFX or it's characters, Tidus gives us a very good idea of what such a setup might look like: a large, bastard sword in one hand and a small buckler in the other. Buckler-style shields already exist in the game and there are a number of swords that are very big, big enough that they would look intimidating even when wielded in one hand (which isn't to say that the DRK couldn't have the animations for it's unique attacks wielding the weapon in both hands).

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If we want every job to be described the way it SHOULD be and NEVER have the wpn choice of the class changing, then the armory system is pointless. SE will only be creating classes with 1 job. It's either add new wpns for jobs coming off certain classes or scrap classes entirely. SE is going to run into lots of issues trying to do so otherwise. They will either have a fail system or very angry customers.

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The important thing to remember is that the weapon you wield as your job doesn't always have to match up with what you typically expect. Did people expect Bard to be the job that came out of Archer? Probably not, because you don't think of a Bard using a bow, and yet it still works for the setting. Do summoners normally use books as weapons? If they ever did, I can't find where. When you're dealing with the armory system, you can't shakle yourself to what has typically been done before and not allowing yourself to deviate from that.

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Originally Posted by Nahara

DPSing with a one-handed sword and a shield isn't as unreasonable as you might think.

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I don't have any issue with A class/job DPSing with a one-handed sword, it's just not really what I would expect out of a DRK from past experiences. However it is what I imagined both a RDM and BLU would be suited for w/ or w/o a shield in the off-hand.

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Originally Posted by Nahara

The important thing to remember is that the weapon you wield as your job doesn't always have to match up with what you typically expect. Did people expect Bard to be the job that came out of Archer? Probably not, because you don't think of a Bard using a bow, and yet it still works for the setting. Do summoners normally use books as weapons? If they ever did, I can't find where. When you're dealing with the armory system, you can't shakle yourself to what has typically been done before and not allowing yourself to deviate from that.

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I guess I forgot all about how BRD is setup and doesn't match how I would ideally expect either. I suppose instead of hoping for jobs that have matched my play style in the past I should hope for jobs that match my play style after SE completely remakes them into something I'm barely familiar with. I'll keep an open mind when SE releases new jobs, but I'm going to be upset if SE botches either RDM or BLU. IMO SE got away with the introduction of BRD and SMN, and by now it looks like it has blown over, but jobs that are far more iconic will definitely get more attention. And while I'm keeping an open mind I doubt others will.

Tanks.

We NEED more tank classes before we need anything else. I say this while I would absolutely love to see a thief class and would gladly trade all of the classes I have leveled so far for just that one. But tanks before any more dd's

Need Support Class.

Time Mage.

Haste, Slow, Stop, Paralyze, Gravity etc. Would be Elite.

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Originally Posted by OmegaNovaios

If DRK doesn't go 2H (whether Greatsword or Scythe) then EVERYONE is going to be rioting the forums at that fail of what I have stated above: throwing the job under the bus.

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By everyone you mean people who played FFXI and thought it was a good game which evidently, through mountains of contrary evidence, stated the opposite and those who played FFX-2. Now those who actually liked Dark Knight in any other Final Fantasy game is perfectly content with 1-hand sword and shield or 1 hand spear with shield, etc. Scythe is a glaring shame of Dark Knight not to mention it looks ridiculous. You're supposed to be a wielder of death not a damn farmer.

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Originally Posted by LordSaviour

Need Support Class.

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I doubt we're going to get a true "support" role, mainly because the devs have already demonstrated through BRD and SCH that Support isn't a role on its own; it's a secondary role that can be activated at the cost of your primary functionality (Selene has less healing than Eos and activating the resource songs reduces BRD damage by 20%).

Interestingly enough, while I was delving through the piles of interviews with Yoshi-P last night, I found this one, from right before 2.1 released, which has Yoshi-P saying something pretty interesting:

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Yes, we want to make sure that there is space in the party for at least two people of each role. 4-6 players is a number which has been used frequently in recent MMOs, but I stuck with the figure of eight people since back in the design stage for the aforementioned reasons. You can have two each of healer and tank and four DPS in the present situation. Once we add the hybrid role (which serves multiple roles), you'll be able to have two players from each role, for a total of 8 people.

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So, apparently they don't have "support" as an explicit role planned, but they *do* have "hybrid" planned, which is, in all likelihood, going to be implemented with RDM as the archetype (similar to how PLD is the tank archetype and WHM the healer). I'm very curious as to how they'll do it though, especially since, to make the role justifiable, they'd need to change a lot of content to require someone who can bounce between roles from fight to fight (or even phase to phase).

Didn't Yoshi-P say something like IF they every made DRK, they would probably use GLA as the base and add a two-handed sword for them?
I wouldn't mind them giving GLA another weapon, especially considering both CNJ/WHM and THM/BLM do. >3>
As a mater of fact, why not just give all the classes second weapons? >3>

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Didn't Yoshi-P say something like IF they every made DRK, they would probably use GLA as the base and add a two-handed sword for them?

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All he's said is that they could change the theme of the attacks and remove high enmity modifiers so that it could act as a feasible DPS. He's never said anything about changing weapons. The only comment he's made regarding weapons was in regards to dual-wielding wherein he said that it would be a brace of weapons that occupy a single slot rather than 2 separate weapons you equip.

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I wouldn't mind them giving GLA another weapon, especially considering both CNJ/WHM and THM/BLM do. >3>
As a mater of fact, why not just give all the classes second weapons? >3>

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Because the classes with 2 weapon types have 2 animations: casting with one weapon type and casting with the other weapon type. The visual differences between spells are the particle effects, which are completely unaffected by weapon choice or even the player animation. Changing a weapon for a weapon using class requires doubling the number of animations for that class, which is a crapton of work.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I wouldn't mind them giving GLA another weapon, especially considering both CNJ/WHM and THM/BLM do. >3>

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I honestly have no idea why SE decided to give them one and two-handed weapons. Just one of those things where I feel it would be better to drop the one-handed ones (keeping the two-handed ones because Thyrus and Stardust Rod) and give the one-handed ones to some other job. Daggers should also be taken from GLD and given to whatever class eventually gives access to the THF and DNC.

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Originally Posted by OmegaNovaios

I'll keep an open mind when SE releases new jobs, but I'm going to be upset if SE botches either RDM or BLU.

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I'm sure a LOT of people are gonna be upset if they do a disservice to RDM and BLU. We just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

So, apparently they don't have "support" as an explicit role planned, but they *do* have "hybrid" planned, which is, in all likelihood, going to be implemented with RDM as the archetype (similar to how PLD is the tank archetype and WHM the healer). I'm very curious as to how they'll do it though, especially since, to make the role justifiable, they'd need to change a lot of content to require someone who can bounce between roles from fight to fight (or even phase to phase).

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Hybriding class seems to be what they may have originally attempted with the Arcanist, what with it able to fulfill three roles, not very greatly, but still. I can see the RDM being both a Tank and Healer and being able to que up into a Duty Finder being as either/or. This opens the parties up a bit more for say, Tanks are in high demand: You party up as a RDM. You get in and team already has a healer. You can then focus on Tank role and pulling support heal if needed better than a paladin could.

Same with DPS/Heal hybrid (Much like SCH). If they already have a Healer class set, you can back them up in the harder parts to dungeons where one Healer may struggle, and once it events out quickly go right back into DPS mode. With the talk of Hybrid classes, I could see a RDM as an end all Hybrid being able to tap into all three.

If we get Support at a later time I hope they restructure the party or make Support a Hybrid only and add some support skills or make older classes into Support Hybrids. (Similar to DCUO's Tank, Healer, Controller (Support), and DPS settings where practically anyone is a DPS. Wish DCUO had picked up on proper Hybrids cause Troll/Healer Hybrid would have been outstanding...)