"Don't tell me how to do my job"

As a tank (WAR 50) I know my limits, and I always gear check the healer (and occasionally dps) to have a rough estimate of their limits. So I don't find anything wrong with giving instructions to the DPS as to what they should and shouldn't be doing. I am choosing a class that stands there and takes the hits for everyone, and allows them to complete the instance.

Tanks are always the hardest to find (esp. in DF), and not to sound elitist, but sometimes I enter instances as a tank just to do the service of helping others through it, so I think it is fair if I take charge. Letting the DPS know what mobs to target, and in some instances what skills to use (and not use - I'm looking at you dragoons in Ifrit :p). Also things like asking a BLM to sleep a group, which allows both DPS and healer to burn single targets (the time it takes to sleep is easily offset by the damage gain from the healer).

There are a few elitists out there that will simply try and dictate what should and shouldn't be happening, but try and understand that for the majority of us simply want to do the best job we can; as tanks we have limits, and letting the group know of this is very important.

I am also a MNK and BLM, and I can guarantee that more than 95% of the time a tank has given an instruction or request, it has been beneficial, and the times that a DPS or healer has ignored it (or hasn't kept an eye on chat) it has either caused a wipe, or something very close to it.

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Originally Posted by Hekmatyar-Koko

Also things like asking a BLM to sleep a group, which allows both DPS and healer to burn single targets (the time it takes to sleep is easily offset by the damage gain from the healer).

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Agree with your general sentiment here, but pre-coil at least I expect a good healer to be doing this without sleep. Sleeping just wastes my time because I have to take scorn out of my rotation and it's not on GCD, so my dmg output is lowered, the DPS' aggregate DPS is lowered, and healing got easier...but it wasn't hard in the first place except on some specific speed run pulls :P

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Originally Posted by GeilLega

Agree with your general sentiment here, but pre-coil at least I expect a good healer to be doing this without sleep. Sleeping just wastes my time because I have to take scorn out of my rotation and it's not on GCD, so my dmg output is lowered, the DPS' aggregate DPS is lowered, and healing got easier...but it wasn't hard in the first place except on some specific speed run pulls :P

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True, it's situation dependent, depends on whether you are PLD or WAR, and also depends on what job the healer is. Also that statement was made on more of a random party assignment basis, where cohesion and the guarantee of a geared party is sketchy to say the least. It's then that I tend to make more requests. With a predetermined group on entry - you can be much more confident that everyone knows their roles in the group.

Another point is that the sleep statement was also made due to my past several runs in WP. Being able to sleep the groups before the first door and down the tonberry asap can save a hefty chunk of time with an under-geared group.

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Originally Posted by Hekmatyar-Koko

Another point is that the sleep statement was also made due to my past several runs in WP. Being able to sleep the groups before the first door and down the tonberry asap can save a hefty chunk of time with an under-geared group.

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which is an exploit so no reason to do it.

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Originally Posted by GarbageNinga

which is an exploit so no reason to do it.

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Shhhh, don't tell anyone. It's a secret :p

True it's an exploit, and unfortunately people will use it until it gets fixed. When entering WP to find two of the group members have ~35-45 gear I am going to take advantage of every little thing I can to get to the end, instead of trying to convince them they are under-geared (and receiving a ton of flak for it - being a so called elitist ***).

The game needs something along the lines of an iL check for certain instances.


However, there are plenty of other threads about the appropriate/inappropriate uses of exploits and mechanics, and so I think we should leave this topic there.

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Originally Posted by GarbageNinga

which is an exploit so no reason to do it.

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I bet you think Hollowed Ground is an exploit too lol

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Originally Posted by mcnuggetz

Bro, I've tanked in almost every MMO that has come out to this date. Its never easy. I take on the role of the leader. And as a leader I don't like having my troops telling me what to do. Yeah its dickish, but it has to been done. I can dps to, its not hard. All you have do to kill stuff. So don't come to our forums and tells us about a crap tank that made you die. Go whine about on the dps forums. Because if you were a tank you'd know better then to come here and bitch.

Sincerely

You're Tank.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

i have 8k hp

i'll tank mobs with tonberrys shanking me if i want to

u just shut your heathen mouth and kill things for me ok =D

You're Tank.

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I have a BRD and a PLD, my PLD is better geared than u 2 and i'm probably a better tank than both of you, but i have no problems on receiving advices from DDs or Healers, they are as much important as we are. You think that you are THE BEST, but you are just kids and bad PLAYERS.

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Originally Posted by FaizeD

If however we're talking about a DPS who unloads on a pull before they've even reached me for Flash with "OMG USE FLASH MORE" then no. If you're terrible at your own job, then you probably shouldn't be giving advice.

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Thank you, this happen too much, especialy when using DF, there is absolutely no reasons for a DD to try & give you advice or a rather bad attitude after that. at this point its not even related to being good or bad, its common sens and patience, so many DD make you lose 5+ mins because they wanted to hit the 1st place on their parse, which is irelevant in WP/AK.

At this point a tank has every right to become a prick, when this happen I just leave, 15 mins of penality wont hurt me, as it will more for a DD if they cannot find a tank or if they use DF again.

I feel like tanks and healers get the crap end of the stick here. Either or gets blamed for everything.


That being said, if I need guidance, I'll ask for it. I don't like it when people tell me what to do because for the most part, I know what to do.
Even if you've played a tank before, you're not now, I am. Play your role, not mine. If I'm not doing something like you'd like me to, ask me to do something different, don't bark orders at me. We can be civil about this.

Also, I don't think the tank is the most important cog, but it is the one that everyone relies on the most. It's a high stress job and people flipping out the first time something gets away from you never helps the situation. Just having patience and being a little nicer with your words makes the dungeons so much more enjoyable.

Of course, there are some people who need to have their bums reamed because they are very, very bad at their jobs.