Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by Tatiana

What they said was that they would not have as many when they release, but they were going to do race exclusive hairstyles for both of the races to make up for the modern aesthetics they can't port over. The community upset over this subject happened when month after month came and went with that promise not being met in any capacity at all while they kept releasing new things for everyone else which they have acknowledged several times. I'm fine with either approach, but the disparity needs to be addressed.

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No, they said they would never have the amount of options or selection as any other race.
They never expressed in any shape that they intended to "make up the difference" by giving them any huge amount of unique hair, you're reading something you want from something they said (Yes, YP said at first that they would give Viera SOME old hair and only ones that worked before changing it to only unique hair ... before showing us now that it's shared hair. It's been confusing, but they have never said that you should expect to ever have the same number as other races).

Like, there's currently 28 unlockable hairstyles in this game and however many shared hairstyles that don't need to be unlocked (Prob 10-16 iirc)... there's no way to think that V/H would get possibly 40+ unique hairstyles to make up for not having shared hair.

The disparity will not be addressed in the way you seem to want as they've been telling us for 2 years that there's always gonna be that disparity, best to just hope Viera are now compatible with future hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

Given the hairstyles that the last contest has produced, I'd rather they don't leave our hair to the mercy of the community.

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we have more potential artists and more ideas (as an artist myself included), given that so many are unhappy with the last results you should at least expect it to veer away from the ugly uncreative hairs from a contest that happened 6 years ago. But, then again people think dressing their chars in black trench coats with all black leather garments and standing in limsa looks original or cool or something, so idk the community can't all be edgelords can it? I imagine a new set of fresh minds would and could help a lot. and it doesn't have to be 10+ new hairs, just a handful of them that are different than what we have available now.

I am hoping we see some frequent updates for viera/hrothgar - especially now since I switched back. I can't say I like any of the ported hairs except for the one I am using, and this one looks better with these specific ears as well. The ponytail doesn't look terrible at a glance (from far away), but the forehead is way too pronounced, maybe it doesn't look so bad with something to hide it, like a circlet or something. It's probably still a style I won't use. I've never really liked it to begin with. I'll have to think of what specific styles I think should be prioritized to be ported. 'Gyr Abanian Plait' would be nice, 'Form and Function' too.. if SE can put in the time to make them look proper on a viera. I'll have to take a look over the default styles at some point as well, to see the next most desirable of those.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I am hoping we see some frequent updates for viera/hrothgar - especially now since I switched back. I can't say I like any of the ported hairs except for the one I am using, and this one looks better with these specific ears as well. The ponytail doesn't look terrible at a glance (from far away), but the forehead is way too pronounced, maybe it doesn't look so bad with something to hide it, like a circlet or something. It's probably still a style I won't use. I've never really liked it to begin with. I'll have to think of what specific styles I think should be prioritized to be ported. 'Gyr Abanian Plait' would be nice, 'Form and Function' too.. if SE can put in the time to make them look proper on a viera. I'll have to take a look over the default styles at some point as well, to see the next most desirable of those.

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It's not my fav either but I've seen the ponytail look pretty good on Viera with darker hair and fuller, slightly more raised eyebrows, it seems to balance out the fivehead better.

For female Viera specifically I'd like to see 'Great Lengths', 'Gyr Abanian Plait', 'Form and Function', 'Samsonian Locks' and 'Both Ways'. I think the twin braids default hairstyle and Y'shtola's Modish hairstyle from Mogstation would look good on Viera too.

But just adding Great Lengths would shut me up.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's not my fav either but I've seen the ponytail look pretty good on Viera with darker hair and fuller, slightly more raised eyebrows, it seems to balance out the fivehead better.

For female Viera specifically I'd like to see 'Great Lengths', 'Gyr Abanian Plait', 'Form and Function', 'Samsonian Locks' and 'Both Ways'. I think the twin braids default hairstyle and Y'shtola's Modish hairstyle from Mogstation would look good on Viera too.

But just adding Great Lengths would shut me up.

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It might be my morning brain talking but wouldn't GL just have the same forehead issue that the ponytail has?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

It might be my morning brain talking but wouldn't GL just have the same forehead issue that the ponytail has?

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I don't think so, the ponytail has that issue for a lot of races and it isn't necessarily a problem for just Viera, the standard positioning for the hairline on Ponytails is pretty high up.

https://ffxivcollect.com/assets/hair...cfd3b9f517.png

https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image...tyle-28909.jpg

Great Lengths has a pretty normal hairline position for all races that can use it, and through "certain means" (:rolleyes:) people have been using it on Viera and it looks great. There's a possibility they'd botch it of course but it should be fine.

https://i.imgur.com/SboLr26.png

Linking modded stuff is like linking parsers. Can get you ban from here. IMO Better to be safe.

And yeah, that hairstyle was always like that. Forehead looks like an helicopter pad.

I'm not too worried, it's not my character nor am I encouraging anyone to install anything.

I've seen people link modded images of their characters in the 'Show your ..." threads all the time and I have myself linked images of Viera with no ears etc. and I'm still kicking. :p

But yeah, obligatory mods are bad, kids. Totally don't do that.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Linking modded stuff is like linking parsers. Can get you ban from here. IMO Better to be safe.

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Wait, can we actually be banned on the forums for showing pictures of a mod? (Even though its not our character) I thought photos were fine but don't state where to actually do it/etc?

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Wait, can we actually be banned on the forums for showing pictures of a mod? (Even though its not our character) I thought photos were fine but don't state where to actually do it/etc?

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I think technically you can get banned for anything.

Several people have been posting images of modded content for a long time now and I still see them posting frequently, I could see how the content of the images or details on how to install etc. could get you clipped though.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Wait, can we actually be banned on the forums for showing pictures of a mod? (Even though its not our character) I thought photos were fine but don't state where to actually do it/etc?

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If you get reported, yes. I remember one case of a few post being remove from "show your X" and that user banned. As always, someone needs to report you, so I going to guess that person had a loyal fan lurking around.

Well if you never see another post from me you'll know what happened.

Remember me, remember that I once posted.

In that case guys here's a photoshopped image of what it would look like if Viera had form and function. This is the potential, this is what we need.

https://i.ibb.co/2kknvhj/vieramod1.jpg

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

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I wish SE added those hairstyles! I was somewhat hype at launch till I checked what we got. Killed my mood for that day. One will think a race with almost no headgear at least will get hairstyles...

And now, seen how almost all headgear from current expansion still don't show I'm resigned that any unlockeable hair will also not work for my char... :(

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's not my fav either but I've seen the ponytail look pretty good on Viera with darker hair and fuller, slightly more raised eyebrows, it seems to balance out the fivehead better.

For female Viera specifically I'd like to see 'Great Lengths', 'Gyr Abanian Plait', 'Form and Function', 'Samsonian Locks' and 'Both Ways'. I think the twin braids default hairstyle and Y'shtola's Modish hairstyle from Mogstation would look good on Viera too.

But just adding Great Lengths would shut me up.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I don't think so, the ponytail has that issue for a lot of races and it isn't necessarily a problem for just Viera, the standard positioning for the hairline on Ponytails is pretty high up.


Great Lengths has a pretty normal hairline position for all races that can use it, and through "certain means" (:rolleyes:) people have been using it on Viera and it looks great. There's a possibility they'd botch it of course but it should be fine.

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Yeah, 'Great Lengths' hairline does seem to line up much better. It should be about as high up as a typical viera hair. I'd like to see more similarly long hairstyles anyway, it should be the player's choice to use them.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I wish SE added those hairstyles! I was somewhat hype at launch till I checked what we got. Killed my mood for that day. One will think a race with almost no headgear at least will get hairstyles...

And now, seen how almost all headgear from current expansion still don't show I'm resigned that any unlockeable hair will also not work for my char... :(

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Viera would be pretty much the perfect race, if they got frequent updates with quality hairs, even if they still had headgear limitations.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Viera would be pretty much the perfect race, if they got frequent updates with quality hairs, even if they still had headgear limitations.

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Viera has in my opinion the best animations in the game (their run/jump animations especially, they are perfect) and voice options but it just makes me so sad that they've been so neglected. I think that if you're gonna go through the trouble of adding a new race you should do it right. IMO hrothgar should not have been added at all. Imagine if all the effort that went into hrothgar had instead been poured into the viera. Instead of getting one "complete" new race we got 2 half-arsed races riddled with issues and limitations.

I don‘t really care about headgear. Never used them on my miqo‘te anyways. (AF gears are the only gearsets i care about the headgear part- would be dope to see some extra work there to make them work with hrothgar and viera)
Just hopeful they either give us more popular hairstyles for males or give us more racial ones. The ones we got (minus snow‘s hairstyle) are for me personally F tier and I‘m really questioning their decision since I never run into people using them besides maybe maybe snow‘s.

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Originally Posted by Geirskogul

Viera has in my opinion the best animations in the game (their run/jump animations especially, they are perfect) and voice options but it just makes me so sad that they've been so neglected. I think that if you're gonna go through the trouble of adding a new race you should do it right. IMO hrothgar should not have been added at all. Imagine if all the effort that went into hrothgar had instead been poured into the viera. Instead of getting one "complete" new race we got 2 half-arsed races riddled with issues and limitations.

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There's a good chance that if they made male and female Viera at the same time they'd have made the same mistake and would still need to go back and fix whatever was wrong with female Viera originally.

They also haven't even done anything for Hrothgar yet and we still only got 6, so I'm not so sure it would've been much better that way unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

I don‘t really care about headgear. Never used them on my miqo‘te anyways. (AF gears are the only gearsets i care about the headgear part- would be dope to see some extra work there to make them work with hrothgar and viera)
Just hopeful they either give us more popular hairstyles for males or give us more racial ones. The ones we got (minus snow‘s hairstyle) are for me personally F tier and I‘m really questioning their decision since I never run into people using them besides maybe maybe snow‘s.

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Yeah ideally everything would work for everyone, but the only time I really think not having headgear sucks is when the only event reward is some form of headgear I can't use :p

Are there any hairstyles in particular you'd like to see for male Viera?

I'd like more diadem type head pieces to be made, mostly in mind for Viera (but can be used by everyone)
I do always wear something on my characters head- mostly a Tiara/diadem of some type because I love high-fantasy type glamours

If Viera hadn't been crapped on with the added hairstyles that look like a botched job & instead given all of the mog station hairs first (which I know SE would have taken their time to make right)- I'd likely be a Viera because I love Y'sthola's Moddish hair.

I'd 100% rather Viera have their own hairstyles with how terrible the ported ones look, except lightnings hair (bc its mog station) But I'm also biased because I dislike about every hairstyle except maybe 2 or 3 that is available due to lack of variety- they're all flat hairstyles or rpg anime hero.

Everyone here would have to specifically request improved ported versions of hairstyles, or rely on modders to do a better job or else you'll get another of these nightmares LOL
https://i.ibb.co/tCbn1mP/hair3.jpg
https://cdn.fanbyte.com/wp-content/u...ube.jpg?x60655

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

If Viera hadn't been crapped on with the added hairstyles that look like a botched job & instead given all of the mog station hairs first (which I know SE would have taken their time to make right)- I'd likely be a Viera because I love Y'sthola's Moddish hair.

I'd 100% rather Viera have their own hairstyles with how terrible the ported ones look, except lightnings hair (bc its mog station)

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Have you actually looked at the Lightning hair closely? The strands of hair literally grow out of one ear and stab straight through the other.

It's not terrible and I don't mind if that's what it takes to get access to more hairstyles, but that one in particular has really not gotten more special attention compared to others.

Well, except 2b maybe. That one got a little too much attention. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Have you actually looked at the Lightning hair closely? The strands of hair literally grow out of one ear and stab straight through the other.

It's not terrible and I don't mind if that's what it takes to get access to more hairstyles, but that one in particular has really not gotten more special attention compared to others.

Well, except 2b maybe. That one got a little too much attention. :rolleyes:

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If we consider that they gave up with tails and ears from races like lalas, elezen a miqotes... is not going to get better until the female version of "ronsos" at home is added. After that old races are still in need of a small facial revamp. Compare to vieras (or new npcs) ARR races looks derpy at times. Female highladers facial textures are a good example of this.

Then we could talk all day about hair textures...

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Originally Posted by Driavna

If we consider that they gave up with tails and ears from races like lalas, elezen a miqotes... is not going to get better until the female version of "ronsos" at home is added. After that old races are still in need of a small facial revamp. Compare to vieras (or new npcs) ARR races looks derpy at times. Female highladers facial textures are a good example of this.

Then we could talk all day about hair textures...

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To be clear, I really don't give much of a damn about clipping, if the choice is between hair clipping with the ears or no hair then by all means let it clip somewhat. :)

I was disagreeing with HeyMcFly saying that the Lightning hair was somehow better done than the others because it's a Mogstation hairstyle, or it is nowadays at least.

Viera are still missing lots of hairstyles in the game, from all i unlocked in the game, i can only pick like 4 of them. + one from the mog station.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

There's a good chance that if they made male and female Viera at the same time they'd have made the same mistake and would still need to go back and fix whatever was wrong with female Viera originally.

They also haven't even done anything for Hrothgar yet and we still only got 6, so I'm not so sure it would've been much better that way unfortunately.

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What i had in mind was gender-locked viera. So all the effort would've gone into the female viera instead of being spread out across female and male viera/hrothgar. I think having viera be gender-locked is perfectly fine since male viera have to my knowledge literally never been shown in any FF game ever. And viera are supposed to be extremely rare to begin with and on top of that 8 out of 10 viera are born female. Male viera should imo be extremely rare and them being absent shouldn't really raise any eyebrows, it was to be expected.

I imagine that it took quite a bit of work getting hrothgar into the game to begin with due to their very unique model and the end result wasn't really anything to write home about. Extremely limited customization, hair tied to the face, no unlockable hairstyles work on them, no hats etc.

I just want the original viera females to be able to wear hats and use the unlockable hairstyles like every other pre-Shadowbringers race and i would without hesitation sacrifice all the hrothgars and bunny bois in the name of Yoshi P for that. I just want female viera to feel like a "complete" race. Makes me real sad that it's been what, over 2 years now and we've gotten a couple awful hairstyles and not even most of the EW hats was made to work on them, meanwhile they've been working hard to bring out male viera and female hrothgar. It just feels like they are giving us quantity over quality when it comes to the post ShB races and i will always choose quality over quantity.

If you're not gonna do something right, don't do it at all. That's my motto.

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Originally Posted by Geirskogul

Viera has in my opinion the best animations in the game (their run/jump animations especially, they are perfect) and voice options but it just makes me so sad that they've been so neglected. I think that if you're gonna go through the trouble of adding a new race you should do it right. IMO hrothgar should not have been added at all. Imagine if all the effort that went into hrothgar had instead been poured into the viera. Instead of getting one "complete" new race we got 2 half-arsed races riddled with issues and limitations.

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The only thing I've ever really disliked about viera was their limitations. I do think that coupling hrothgar and viera came with some complications -lack of updates probably being one of them, but it took the devs until like the end of ShB to even start looking at making it easier to implement hairstyles for viera. I feel like they were kind of made and forgotten about - both viera and hrothgar. If viera alone had come out, I'm not sure if we wouldn't still have had similar issues, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Have you actually looked at the Lightning hair closely? The strands of hair literally grow out of one ear and stab straight through the other.

It's not terrible and I don't mind if that's what it takes to get access to more hairstyles, but that one in particular has really not gotten more special attention compared to others.

Well, except 2b maybe. That one got a little too much attention. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, that lightning hair doesn't look very good at all. That hair is an odd one though, while it is a mogstation hair, and I appreciate they added paid for hairstyles, the textures just really kind of clash with your ears. Maybe with darker hair colors it's less noticeable? It really doesn't look like they adjusted much if anything with that particular style.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Are there any hairstyles in particular you'd like to see for male Viera?

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„Saintly Style, Great Lengths, Styled for Hire, Wind Caller, Thancred‘s Hairstyle“
were among the ones I was most looking forward to being added for the males but none of them made it in the end! :p

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https://ffxivcollect.com/hairstyles

I would have preferred any over „Controlled Chaos & Scanning for Style“ really. :D

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

„Saintly Style, Great Lengths, Styled for Hire, Wind Caller, Thancred‘s Hairstyle“
were among the ones I was most looking forward to being added for the males but none of them made it in the end! :p

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https://ffxivcollect.com/hairstyles

I would have preferred any over „Controlled Chaos & Scanning for Style“ really. :D

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The 9s one really had me scratching my head. Why THAT one? It looks terrible. I hope we get something else on tuesday. But I might go au ra for a bit. I want to use the AF gear ffs.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I hope we get something else on tuesday. But I might go au ra for a bit.

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Huh? What's happening on Tuesday?

I just hope that going forward Viera will be included in the new hairstyles that come out since it sounds like they've made it easier to implement them for the females, and the males don't have the same limitation the females used to. I don't have a whole lot of hope or expectation that they will spend more resources on porting over too many more of the previous unlockable styles. Maybe a few (such as anything bought in the mog station, or designed in a contest), but I very much doubt all.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

The 9s one really had me scratching my head. Why THAT one? It looks terrible. I hope we get something else on tuesday. But I might go au ra for a bit. I want to use the AF gear ffs.

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Yeah, that'd be great, but I'm not holding my breath. When we get hairs, I expect it to be few and far between. I'd like to be optimistic, but two years of ShB with nothing, kind of made that impossible. Au Ra is a good one to ween yourself off many headpieces since their horn clipping makes many headpieces unusable (for me). I do prefer the type of headgear viera can already wear: circlets, tiaras, etc.. anyway.

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Originally Posted by Tatiana

I just hope that going forward Viera will be included in the new hairstyles that come out since it sounds like they've made it easier to implement them for the females, and the males don't have the same limitation the females used to. I don't have a whole lot of hope or expectation that they will spend more resources on porting over too many more of the previous unlockable styles. Maybe a few (such as anything bought in the mog station, or designed in a contest), but I very much doubt all.

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Hopefully so, but yeah, I don't want to let myself get disappointed over it again. It's one race now, and shouldn't be tied to hrothgar anymore either. I'd like to believe, I really would. Anyway, aside from that, I hope the new hairstyles we get from here on actually look good, not just the ported hairs. I'm sure they will port more, I'm mostly concerned about the quality.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Huh? What's happening on Tuesday?

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I think they're talking about all worlds going down for maintenance.

I'm just hoping for even a small bit of information on the fem Hrothgars. I've been wanting a strong catlady for so long... ;-;

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Originally Posted by Aelsioln

I think they're talking about all worlds going down for maintenance.

I'm just hoping for even a small bit of information on the fem Hrothgars. I've been wanting a strong catlady for so long... ;-;

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Yeah new raidtier coming and probably some other stuff as well so maybe.....maybe....a hairstyle upgrade again?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, that'd be great, but I'm not holding my breath. When we get hairs, I expect it to be few and far between. I'd like to be optimistic, but two years of ShB with nothing, kind of made that impossible. Au Ra is a good one to ween yourself off many headpieces since their horn clipping makes many headpieces unusable (for me). I do prefer the type of headgear viera can already wear: circlets, tiaras, etc.. anyway.

Hopefully so, but yeah, I don't want to let myself get disappointed over it again. It's one race now, and shouldn't be tied to hrothgar anymore either. I'd like to believe, I really would. Anyway, aside from that, I hope the new hairstyles we get from here on actually look good, not just the ported hairs. I'm sure they will port more, I'm mostly concerned about the quality.

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I am very particular with hats anyway, but the ones I like to wear that viera can actually look fine on Au ra. The only reason I don't play au ra more is because they are short and because I am hoping viera gets more upgrades soon. I love viera being tall and pretty but the limitations are just...saddening.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I am very particular with hats anyway, but the ones I like to wear that viera cant actually look fine on Au ra. The only reason I don't play au ra more is because they are short and because I am hoping viera gets more upgrades soon. I love viera being tall and pretty but the limitations are just...saddening.

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Yeah, the limitations are pretty much the same reason I would default to au ra and not viera. When I went back to Au Ra when I did, it also just happened to be around when that Zadnor hairstyle came out - that viera can't use (I was my other veena preset at about this time). It's one of my preferred styles for au ra - I wouldn't mind seeing that one ported and adjusted for viera as well.

I doubt viera will get too many headgear updates, they obviously can choose to do hats, as things like the Reaper artifact headpiece is available for them, SE just largely doesn't. Maybe we will see more of these types? Any headpieces that have accessories that would clip through the ears seem to just become unavailable for them, like the EW AST headpiece. I do always laugh at how SE will do this sort of quality control, since they don't seem to have many issues with other clipping.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Yeah new raidtier coming and probably some other stuff as well so maybe.....maybe....a hairstyle upgrade again?

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Haircuts usually come on main patches, so I honestly wouldn't hold my breath for getting any in 6.01.

Here's hoping female Hrothgars aren't just an asset flip male or a slighter more fluffy Miqo'te I wanna see something unique for the only proper playable beast race in this game.

I just fantasia’d to viera just to see what it’s like. Why on earth can viera STILL not display most head pieces??? I’ve read in interviews that the devs don’t like how much the ears clip through but I can say, emphatically, we the players don’t care. There’s apparently a mod that allows viera and hrothgar to display all headpieces in the game with a few exceptions and it looks amazing. Why don’t the devs do that? Most long hair styles on other races clip though chest pieces. The amount of clipping in the game in general is really high. Nobody cares. Bunnies and lions should be able to wear hats and use most or all hairstyles too.

I hope we can get hats. I really don't care for the clipping and a lot of hats will work well, especially bard hats, even with the ears clipping through them. Just let the players decide if they are okay with the clipping or not...

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

I hope we can get hats. I really don't care for the clipping and a lot of hats will work well, especially bard hats, even with the ears clipping through them. Just let the players decide if they are okay with the clipping or not...

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Just makes me laugh SE are bringing in a lot of capes that clip with Miqo’te and Au’Ra’s tail and they’re like ‘eh, players deal with it’, but when it comes to Viera’s ears clipping through hats it’s MY GOD NO WE CANT HAVE THAT VIERA GETS NO HATS.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, the limitations are pretty much the same reason I would default to au ra and not viera. When I went back to Au Ra when I did, it also just happened to be around when that Zadnor hairstyle came out - that viera can't use (I was my other veena preset at about this time). It's one of my preferred styles for au ra - I wouldn't mind seeing that one ported and adjusted for viera as well.

I doubt viera will get too many headgear updates, they obviously can choose to do hats, as things like the Reaper artifact headpiece is available for them, SE just largely doesn't. Maybe we will see more of these types? Any headpieces that have accessories that would clip through the ears seem to just become unavailable for them, like the EW AST headpiece. I do always laugh at how SE will do this sort of quality control, since they don't seem to have many issues with other clipping.

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I was really hoping the Both Ways hairstyle was gonna be one of the ones they ported over, too :( I hope it's coming because it's one of my favourites.