Tank healing is to high

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Originally Posted by Alzinor

It was the case in ShB and it was powerful, especially in burst phase.
back in that time, i was already doing solo endgame dungeon like the anamnesis or heroes gauntlet solo.

If SE rly want to apply a solid nerf to war, the only option is the paladin way : 1 heal per use but maybe adjusted (600 potency healing as example)

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It was powerful, yes, but less so, and its gameplay was more involved. (To call them the same would be like calling 4.1 Inner Release and late-Stormblood Inner Release equally braindead.)

I don't see any reason to make Warrior no longer have the best self-sustain among all tanks; that's always been a part of its identity. It just shouldn't have a contextually double or triple lead.

Why on earth would square think about balancing WAR around dungeons lol. They're not going to do that. I think we all have to accept WARs will simply be busted in content of no real value. I'm fine with that.

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Originally Posted by Navnav

Why on earth would square think about balancing WAR around dungeons lol. They're not going to do that. I think we all have to accept WARs will simply be busted in content of no real value. I'm fine with that.

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Reminder, Abyssal Drain allowed DRKs to basically ignore healers during dungeon pulls in Stormblood...it was effectively gutted going into ShB, and now into EW. Something that had 0 uses in raid got gutted because it was too strong in dungeons prior. So the precedent is there.

Why do Warriors want to be so powerful they literally break content? Can't wait for the inevitable nerfs after what I've experienced as a WAR and seeing the recent videos posted. Just accept it's obscenely overpowered and needs to be taken down several notches. You have zero reason to have a million consecutive self-heals as a bloody tank. If you want to heal so much play a healer. Noone in their right mind should be defending the current state of Warriors. They flat out do not need this much self healing.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Why do Warriors want to be so powerful they literally break content? Can't wait for the inevitable nerfs after what I've experienced as a WAR and seeing the recent vides oposted. Just accept it's obscenely overpowered and needs to be taken down several notches. You have zero reason to have a million consecutive self-heals as a bloody tank. If you want to heal so much play a healer. Noone in their right mind should be defending the current state of Warriors. They flat out do not need this much self healing.

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But....warrior is a healer m'am :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

It was powerful, yes, but less so, and its gameplay was more involved. (To call them the same would be like calling 4.1 Inner Release and late-Stormblood Inner Release equally braindead.)

I don't see any reason to make Warrior no longer have the best self-sustain among all tanks; that's always been a part of its identity. It just shouldn't have a contextually double or triple lead.

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It was as braindead as the current state of warrior healing trust me, you were fully healed on pack and mono target healing was decent as long as you had an inner chaos or inner release up (and it was almost always the case)

The only difference between shb and ew is now the skill is called bloodwetting, offer a tiny shield and 10% damage reduction on self.


I don't think warrior deserve a nerf tbh but i'm prepared if it's the case, better than being disappointed when the time is come.

From experience, it's relatively rare for the dev team to openly nerf a job. It's similar to their Q+A sessions, in which the answer to every question is 'yes' or 'maybe'. If a popular question simply doesn't show up, it means the answer is 'no'.

Likewise, if they're going to nerf a job, it's generally going to be on the sly during an expansion transition where most people will miss it in the midst of system changes and stat changes. They then whistle innocently and try to make relatively conservative adjustments over the remainder of the expansion with upward balance changes.

I don't think that playing with numbers is enough at this point. They could reduce the healing potency numbers on WAR, but that's a drop in the ocean. They just need to recognize that tank and healer gameplay on the whole is underwhelming, and commit to doing a systematic overhaul of the defensive toolkits to match up with the content difficulty that they're putting out. There's several expansions worth of mitigation inflation that needs to be cut out. I don't mind waiting for it, as long as they're open about their intentions.

It's not unheard of for them to nerf a job. Off the top of my head, PLD got nerfed in StB and MNK got a number of small nerfs in ShB. The devs of course try to minimize nerfs, but when something is breaking the game it should be nerfed.

I've been playing WAR and........yeah, that healing is beyond rediculous and needs to be toned down.

The first time in this game I've actually called for nerfs I think.

WAR healing is fine. It's not unheard of for a job to be able to solo content at level. So long as it is unable to solo EX trials or savages, there's not a problem. In fact, WAR is one of the lesser used tanks in endgame content. This indicates that their self-healing is a non-issue, as it does not upset the balance of the game. Dungeons are irrelevant. Besides, PLD can do pretty much everything WAR can. It just requires a smidge more finesse. People are tunnel visioning too hard on the sheer amount of self-healing WAR has but somehow failing to notice the downsides that level things out a bit. Insane self-healing only really puts in work when you're in content that won't murder you before you have the chance to take full advantage of it.

Rather than destroying WAR's self-healing, it would probably be better to bump the other tanks up a bit in this regard. PLD, at the very least, should probably get back the healing bonus on Requiescat. It would synergize extremely well with their magic burst phase without being gamebreaking. GNB doesn't need much of a nudge either, but DRK... oh man, DRK needs help in the sustain department.

Dropping this here. Really think this needs to be fixed.

While it does take him over an hour to do this, the fact that WAR has enough self sustain to pull this off at all while the content is current is absolutely ridiculous and should probably be addressed.

https://youtu.be/fFcZCEny4x4