I maybe wasn't clear enough but I do tons of DF and PF content with randoms. I have seen some very bad players and I've seen some epic scale bad players.... and yet I still haven't seen this parser abuse yet in 4 years. I understand that me being a raider myself I am unlikely to come across people with issues with my contribution level, but I am in groups with randoms enough where I think I would have seen something by now even if said abuse was not directed at me personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awha
Seems to cast doubt on it being a frequent occurrence in-game. All the times I've seen people kick other players from PF groups was due to said player repeatedly failing the same mechanics over and over in a group where the PF required those mechanics already be learned. I have not seen anyone kicked for parse numbers so far.
In DF almost all the kicks I have seen that were not for AFK/Offline were due to trolling and/or verbal abuse against fellow party members.
So yes I have seen people get upset at others for failing mechanics and/or wiping the group, but none of those reasons are parser related since it is easy to see when someone dies often, fails mechanics, or wipes the group. General role failure as well...you don't need a parser to see if a tank isn't keeping hate, getting one shot by tank buster because no mitigation, or a healer that isn't healing. These reasons are the most frequent causes of disputes in my experience over the 4 years of doing content.
Tank dps harrasment
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11-20-2017, 10:02 AMMiste
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11-20-2017, 10:20 AMOkamimaru
Just got on fflogs and hide your character.. problem solved...
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11-20-2017, 10:57 AMAziraSyuren
It still baffles me that the idea of being held accountable for your performance is so terrifying of an idea to this community.
Like, yeah, people can get really toxic over it, but it's no worse than the raw animosity directed towards those who have higher performance standards. If you want people to improve, you're shot down, insulted, or accused of being an elitist (the irony of someone like me saying this is not lost on me, for the record). If you're bad and want to stay bad, you're told that it's okay and put on a pedestal of mediocrity.
I never actually tell people they're bad based off of parse numbers but I certainly believe that it's my right to. It's your right to spend your sub money on being bad, but it should also be my right to spend my sub money on telling you that you're bad. If you get upset when people like me say that you're bad, then tough shit. You don't pay my sub. -
11-20-2017, 11:19 AMjameseoakesWouldn't that most likely end up being harassment or abuse which your sub does not entitle you to doQuote:
Originally Posted by AziraSyuren
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11-20-2017, 11:40 AMMavriasTelling someone that theyre doing poorly isn't harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseoakes
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11-20-2017, 11:47 AMjameseoakesThe way that was worded did not give the impression they had the intention of saying it in a constructive wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Mavrias
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11-20-2017, 11:52 AMAziraSyurenI mean if you're an ass about it yeah but telling someone to improve their performance isn't harassment by any metric, nor is offering them an ultimatum if they don't improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseoakes
I'm not the kind of person that says feelings don't matter- just the opposite, actually- but I'm just as stressed out by someone performing badly and refusing to improve as you* are by being told you're bad. And in a conflict between someone who wants others to improve and someone who outright refuses to, I'd side with the former almost every time unless they were wrong or their tone was so excessively confrontational that they drive away people who do want to improve.
The feelings of good players are just as important as the feelings of bad players. One side being easier to take pity on and feel bad for doesn't mean it inherently has the moral high-ground.
There's the issue of bad players critiquing the performance of other players and giving bad advice, sure, but I think an in-game parser would drastically reduce the number of people who are like that.
*Not you as in yourself, you as in a general term referring to bad players. I'm not making any accusations.
Oh no, I'd definitely be polite and courteous about it. I just want everyone to improve, and I realize that being a dickhead about it has the opposite effect. If I call out a bad player for being bad, it's not me trying to put them down to feel better about myself or just vent my frustrations. I legitimately want everyone to get better at the game and feel a sense of accomplishment about their own personal performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseoakes
But even being a dickhead about it can possibly convince someone to re-examine their own playstyle and habits, especially if they're not coddled for being bad. -
11-20-2017, 11:54 AMStarRosieOk, I have no real dog in the pro/anti parser argument. But can I just say, it is very odd that you have to do this. You shouldn't have to sign into their site to opt out, you should sign into their site to opt in. I don't like the idea of data about me and my performances, being collected without my consent or knowledge. It is unsettling and creepy! I really think that they should switch over to an opt in model rather then collecting data without consent or even someone's knowledge that they are effectively being recorded in someway. I think that would make people a little less antsy about parsers and fflogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okamimaru
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11-20-2017, 11:56 AMOkamimaru
I just assume everyone sucks until they prove otherwise... therefore no salt when things don't go perfect... y'all really need to calm down... it's just a game...
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11-20-2017, 12:29 PMSunhwaparkAm i allowed to be salty if i hit enrage on V1S and the boss is still at 50% Health? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Okamimaru