So Second Coil has been destroyed

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

They should bring this design to all games: the little gaps between jumps in the new Mario game should gradually close up over time so more players can experience seeing Princess Peach give Mario a kiss. Or if you wanted to do it on 2.41 terms you could simply level the entire world into a flat plane. Don't worry though, it came packaged with the lost levels and some sadistic Japanese ROMhack.

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While I get your sarcasm, you have to remember that MMO's and Single player games are entirely two different beast. In single player games, you get to play by yourself and experience all the content by yourself and your pace, so if a particular boss or level is painfully hard, it doesn't matter - you get to control when you beat it. You don't have to wait for 7 other people to login to help you. Not so in MMO games. As the game gets older, newer players won't have the luxury of older players teaching them and guiding them through t6-9. In fact that's happening right now, with the most experience second coil raid players already turning there backs on it and moving onto t10-13. It's only logical and economical from SE standpoint to make slight nerfs to older harder content to get newer players and players with hectic schedules a chance to get caught up or atleast experience the content in some form (even if they don't clear it via DF)

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

This nerf appeals to no one, has no reason to be, just like FCoB didn`t make any sense. SE needs to stop this policy of "everything 3 months or older needs to be nerfed to the ground". Communities can stand just so much powercreep and nerfing of content. The rising of iLvl cap was more than enough to face the challenges of SCoB for players that didn`t make it before patch.

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It appeals to me, so I guess you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by DenariusJay

It's only logical and economical from SE standpoint to make slight nerfs to older harder content to get newer players and players with hectic schedules a chance to get caught up or atleast experience the content in some form (even if they don't clear it via DF)

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Slight nerfs? T7 was basically gutted to the point where getting hit by a Renaud is more of a slight inconvenience than a mechanic at this point. I can understand making fights more forgiving but they made it about as easy as T1 is now.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

There was a reason why people went "boo" on the Fanfest. No one wanted this nerf

This nerf appeals to no one, has no reason to be, just like FCoB didn`t make any sense. SE needs to stop this policy of "everything 3 months or older needs to be nerfed to the ground".

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1. A roomful of people booing nerds is not an accurate cross-section of the entire fanbase.
2. SCoB is actually 6 months old now, and got the exact same treatment as BCoB, so there is precedent for this.
3. Savage Coil has remained untouched so if you really need a hard version of SCoB, there it is.
4. Get over it, because they won't be reverting the changes.

As an aside, what is it about Final Coil that doesn't make sense to you?

People need to stop saying if you still want a challenge do savage they are 2 totally different fights, T6 now is harder then T7, T7 is a complete joke you literally can ignore 80% of the mechanics and get the win these nerfs are totally different from the first coil there was reasoning behind it. The nerfs made doing titan easy mode harder than t7 and for all those people saying the guys complaining are going to lose gil or want to feel superior get your head out of your asses what most people want that you so deem elitests is people who play at a higher skill level or to challenge yourself all this has done is got mummy and daddy SE to hold your hand as you walk across the road to FCOB yes T9 is untouched but most of the people who won't clear will eventually buy it from the so called elitest jerks you so apparently hate

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Originally Posted by Xensai

...people who play at a higher skill level or to challenge yourself all this has done is got mummy and daddy SE to hold your hand as you walk across the road to FCOB yes T9 is untouched but most of the people who won't clear will eventually buy it from the so called elitest jerks you so apparently hate

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Yet you want mommy/daddy SE to hold your hand and make things challenging for you despite you have more than enough ways to make it challenging yourself despite the nerfs plus additional newer raid content which also challenges you without having to use an ounce of imagination in making the content more challenging for yourself. It goes both ways.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

This nerf appeals to no one, has no reason to be, just like FCoB didn`t make any sense. SE needs to stop this policy of "everything 3 months or older needs to be nerfed to the ground". Communities can stand just so much powercreep and nerfing of content. The rising of iLvl cap was more than enough to face the challenges of SCoB for players that didn`t make it before patch.

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The contents of this thread alone proves you wrong, as well as the other thread which thanks SE for making this change.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Maybe Ragnarok sucks? I have no problems consistently clearing EX primals on Excalibur. This was made especially true after the nexus update ensuring more experienced players would be spamming trials to do lights. Alternatively you could just of added more desynth/4* mats to T6-9 to guarantee experienced players tagging along in DF. But sure, we should totally destroy these fights (and they have been totally destroyed, they're no longer even remotely challenging on any level whatsoever and are substantially easier than content which is introduced much earlier in the game IE Ultima HM.) Also you act like DF is purely harder, it isn't. You can make an unlimited # of attempts, and potentially be paired with people much better than you're used to playing with.

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Sorry to break it to you but DF is not only based on cross platform parties but also cross server, saying my server sucks and using that as an excuse when talking about DF is invalidated because of that. Your groups are made up from people from my server just like mine are made up also from people in yours, that is how DF works. All you have made apparent in this previous comment and the comment before it in regards to DF is you do not know what you are talking about on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Sorry to break it to you but DF is not only based on cross platform parties but also cross server, saying my server sucks and using that as an excuse when talking about DF is invalidated because of that. Your groups are made up from people from my server just like mine are made up also from people in yours. All you have made apparent in this previous comment and the comment before it in regards to DF is you do not know what you are talking about on this issue.

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Not really, they're in different server clusters, so you're never gonna play together.

And saying wanting the game to be challenging is wanting mommy and daddy to hold our hand is absolutely ludicrous. It's "no u" given form.

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Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine

I was at fanfest. I didn't boo, there were others around me that didn't boo either. Please don't speak for everyone, speak only for yourself.

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Agreed as I was there too. Just because people didn't cheer or boo'd means nothing.

You guys would be surprised what the percent of casual players are compare to the population of hardcore. Why you think Wow is so successful? If they never nerf anything, especially an 8 Months Contents and only cather to the hardcore the game wouldn't even do that well. This is SE ways of easing the contents for more casual players and old contents. It's not like 2nd Coil is relevant contents anymore.

There is Savage and Final Coil too you know.

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Originally Posted by Marisela

You guys would be surprised what the percent of casual players are compare to the population of hardcore. Why you think Wow is so successful? If they never nerf anything, especially an 8 Months Contents and only cather to the hardcore the game wouldn't even do that well. This is SE ways of easing the contents for more casual players and old contents. It's not like 2nd Coil is relevant contents anymore.

There is Savage and Final Coil too you know.

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If you say 2nd Coil isn't relevant then how is Savage Relevant? It's a more difficult series of fights with the same reward as fights that are now faceroll. More people have probably cleared T10-12 than Savage Coil 6-9, because there's actually a reason to run those fights aside from just busting your ass over a title.