[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Negotiation is a confrontation with an enemy you cannot just dismiss. You don't negotiate with friends after all.

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I... feel bad for you, because friends are the product of negotiation. Friendship is the penultimate form of negotiation. It's an exchange of trust.

You want to go to the park, they want to see movies. You discuss it, you go to the park one day and movies another. You negotiated.

Just ignore CerusSerenade at this point. Clearly, all he really wants to do is antagonize people and derail the topic. He has nothing useful to add to the debate, besides throwing buzzwords and labels around. So I can only give the usual tipp: Don't feed the troll :)

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Just ignore CerusSerenade at this point. Clearly, all he really wants to do is antagonize people and derail the topic. He has nothing useful to add to the debate, besides throwing buzzwords and labels around. So I can only give the usual tipp: Don't feed the troll :)

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This. Report and move on, people, the topic's already been throw out of it's actual discussion point by over ten pages now due to bad actors screaming at one another.

On that note, anyone here check out the german dub? The VA killed it, it's that sort of energy that at least would've...helped poochie a bit in English. Wouldn't have fixed the character, but still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCWF8MYARkM

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Just ignore CerusSerenade at this point. Clearly, all he really wants to do is antagonize people and derail the topic. He has nothing useful to add to the debate, besides throwing buzzwords and labels around. So I can only give the usual tipp: Don't feed the troll :)

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*Cites numerous transphobic posts in this very topic.*

You: "ThEy'Re a tRoLl!11!!!1"

A huh.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

I... feel bad for you, because friends are the product of negotiation. Friendship is the penultimate form of negotiation. It's an exchange of trust.

You want to go to the park, they want to see movies. You discuss it, you go to the park one day and movies another. You negotiated.

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You usually don't have to negotiate with friends to receive basic respect or having your identity and preferences understood and accepted. If you have to try and negotiate for that, they aren't your friends.

It seems you're conflating casual day-to-day discussion and living with negotiation, which shows you have a premature understanding of human interactions, leading me to believe you've lived a very fortunate and stress-free life.

I'm genuinely happy for you, and I hope that continues for you. Understand however that it just doesn't work that way where actual conflicts are involved.

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Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog

On that note, anyone here check out the german dub? The VA killed it, it's that sort of energy that at least would've...helped poochie a bit in English. Wouldn't have fixed the character, but still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCWF8MYARkM

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Yeah, the german dub was really good this time around! I also like the JP one (that's a given I feel :D) and also...french. Like, I'm even surprised by this, I never listened to the game in french but I actually really really like the voices. They all feel very natural and sound pretty nice!
I'm having fun experiencing the game in different languages right now (except english, which is a shame because I adore G'rahas english Va so much...) and I can only encourage everyone to experiment a little!

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Yeah, the german dub was really good this time around! I also like the JP one (that's a given I feel :D) and also...french. Like, I'm even surprised by this, I never listened to the game in french but I actually really really like the voices. They all feel very natural and sound pretty nice!
I'm having fun experiencing the game in different voices right now (except english, which is a shame because I adore G'rahas english Va so much...) and I can only encourage everyone to experiment a little!

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While Wuk's english VA did a terrible job, it definitely feells like the English Cast was just...much worse this time around. The new american actors they got definitely did not work, and I think that the novel idea of the EN Dub of having accents has hurt it big time this time around, as they're all...very blatantly fake. Though even the scions sounded a little off - dunno. I went through most of it in JP, and I constantly ran into the issue of liking the new characters a lot more, but the Scions absolutely sounded off to me - Urianger was just so wrong. But then again he only had literally like 9 spoken lines, so...

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Yeah, the german dub was really good this time around! I also like the JP one (that's a given I feel :D) and also...french. Like, I'm even surprised by this, I never listened to the game in french but I actually really really like the voices. They all feel very natural and sound pretty nice!
I'm having fun experiencing the game in different voices right now (except english, which is a shame because I adore G'rahas english Va so much...) and I can only encourage everyone to experiment a little!

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German was wild, listening to it. 10/10 I kinda want to learn German now.

(German dubbing as an industry is hit or miss though, according to a German friend of mine. Ranges from A+ to Ghost Stories)

French was... a little high in places? I'm not sure how to phrase it. It just didn't quite fit. Might have been how fast it was compared to English throwing it off for me.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

German was wild, listening to it. 10/10 I kinda want to learn German now.

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From someone that speaks if conversationally, it's actually not that hard to pick up on, it follows a lot of core conventions from English - it just has a few funny and weird grammatical and gendering twists. If you only speak english but you speak it fluently, I'd suggest it over French or Spanish IMO.

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Originally Posted by BigBoom550

German was wild, listening to it. 10/10 I kinda want to learn German now.

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By all means, go for it!
Surely, German is not the easiest language out there with all the weird grammatical stuff. Even people who speak it as their first language usually can't really get it right every time. xD (I say this as someone whose native language is German btw, so I know it first hand lol)
But it's actually a pretty nice language to learn, and though many say it sounds harsh to the ears, well...every language does when you scream or get loud. German can also be soft and sweet. And like Swad wrote above, if you grew up speaking English, German should be easier to learn than French, Spanish or Italian.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Sure, brilliant take.

You're so much better than me, please teach me more.

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I just want to warn you that there are some people who come here to attack and belittle others, then report them when they get a response out of them. Some people aren't worth the time.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Transphobes don't get their excuses for being vile pieces of human trash because they're called out being transphobes.

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I really want to speak for LGBTQ, but it's really hard to do so when people equate not abiding perferred pronouns to deserved to be called "vile pieces of human trash."

I said it before. I'll say it again. People who preach love and acceptance are usually most vitriolic to others.

It makes me wonder: Are people really that loving and caring, or do they just want to score social points by appearing morally superior so they can justify their toxic behavior?

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

They get it because they think they can get away with it, as it makes them feel superior, and online there are no consequences.

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The reverse is also true. People can get away with slander, intimidation, and false accusation as long as they fight under the banner of love, peace, and acceptance, which happen to be spearheaded by LGBTQIA+ community.


Transgenderism is a topic much more complex than LGB( lesbian, gay, bisexual). It challenges the concept of binary sex. Transition also requires medical intervention. It's only natural people will have questions about it. There are still rooms for debate.

People not subscribing to the idea of preferred pronouns does not necessay mean they want transgender people to cease existing. The latter one being true transphobia. Pronouns is what it is, pronouns. If you want to convince people into thinking refusing to use preferred pronouns is inherently transphobic, you have to first establish the reason why.

Is it disrespectful? Why is it disrepectful? Does subjectively feeling disrepected justify your demand? Does pronoun has power to invalidate one's gender identity?

Without building a common ground where both parties can agree on basic definition of things, people will NOT be persuaded into thinking they're disrespectful to trans by NOT abiding preferred pronouns. Therefore, they don't think they're transphobic.

Transphobe has been overly used so much that it has since lost its meaning. It's one thing to hate transgender people. Not using preferred pronouns is another thing entirely.
However, It's just my personal opinion. Whether you accept it or not is up to you. hopefully my speech won't invite bigotry and transphobe stickers on my back.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Bullies don't magically stop being bullies because you grovel to them. This is usually called appeasement, and it has consistently failed historically.

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Have you heard about cancel cultrue? SBI, a company that openly admitted they run bussiness by blackmailing other companies? It's, in essence, bully. What's your opinion about those bullies?

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Originally Posted by Aniise

I'm having fun experiencing the game in different languages right now (except english, which is a shame because I adore G'rahas english Va so much...) and I can only encourage everyone to experiment a little!

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At least G'raha is good in German too in my opinion, for me when playing in German I really miss Estinien's English VA, though I guess I wasn't missing that much in this expansion since he only appeared for like 10 minutes, which to be fair is par for the course for Estinien in showing up out of nowhere, being a complete badass for a few scenes, and then leaving without elaborating further

As someone that speaks English and Spanish, I find it criminal there is no Spanish VA for DT.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

As someone that speaks English and Spanish, I find it criminal there is no Spanish VA for DT.

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I think this specific expansion would have been the best time to add a Spanish cast.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I think this specific expansion would have been the best time to add a Spanish cast.

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Yes, it seems pretty disrespectful.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Amazing that people are still arguing this isn't about transphobia.

I hope we got EXPONENTIALLY MORE Wuk Lamat just to make them rage and quit.

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I hate Wuk Lamat and think the VA did a bad job but now I want more Wuk Lamat in hopes it drives these bigots away. Good job you weirdos lol

It's called acting. It's literally people playing pretend. The person doing the talking doesnt need to fit a specific box in rl as long as they do a good job.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I just want to warn you that there are some people who come here to attack and belittle others, then report them when they get a response out of them. Some people aren't worth the time.

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I figured that was the case but sometimes I can't help myself.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

As someone that speaks English and Spanish, I find it criminal there is no Spanish VA for DT.

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Honestly, the part that annoys me more is that lack of price localizations.

Yoshi P explained why they couldn't do it yet, but that was before EW's release.
Please, Yoshi, don't make me have to deal with ridiculous taxes because I want to give you money T_T

Lmao, I'm absolutely convinced that people are coming in here to just stir the pot. Instead of ignoring transphobic posts and reporting them so they don't have any platform at all, these folks make sure to quote reply the posts and then aggressively reference back to them every chance they get like they desperately need evidence to validate their claims that ALL criticism is just people being bigots. It's tiring.

And while it is acting, Xellith, Kate did go on record stating she wanted to authentically cast voice actors for the DT roles, and then gives us Wuk's actor... Who isn't authentic at all, and frankly offensive to be putting on a fake accent.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Lmao, I'm absolutely convinced that people are coming in here to just stir the pot. Instead of ignoring transphobic posts and reporting them so they don't have any platform at all, these folks make sure to quote tweet the posts and then aggressively reference back to them every chance they get like they desperately need evidence to validate their claims that ALL criticism is just people being bigots. It's tiring.

And while it is acting, Xellith, Kate did go on record stating she wanted to authentically cast voice actors for the DT roles, and then gives us Wuk's actor... Who isn't authentic at all, and frankly offensive to be putting on a fake accent.

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It would be nice if reporting them did literally anything at all, but unfortunately these forums seem to have 0 moderation. Which is probably why people feel like they can just be openly transphobic in a thread that is supposed to be about criticizing a VA's job, not their gender.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

It would be nice if reporting them did literally anything at all, but unfortunately these forums seem to have 0 moderation.

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They do. They have removed quite a few posts, and some people here in this thread and the other Wuk thread have reported having been placed on a break.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

They do. They have removed quite a few posts, and some people here in this thread and the other Wuk thread have reported having been placed on a break.

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I'll keep trying to report them I guess then, here's hoping they eventually give up and go away.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

It would be nice if reporting them did literally anything at all, but unfortunately these forums seem to have 0 moderation. Which is probably why people feel like they can just be openly transphobic in a thread that is supposed to be about criticizing a VA's job, not their gender.

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Then ignore them? The oldest rule in the book is "Don't feed the trolls". People will always say whatever they can to get a rise out of others. If you respond, you're just incentivizing them to further antagonize you. If they're a minority of posters, their posts will disappear with reports, and people can continue discussions around it.

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Originally Posted by FlowerMilk

I'll keep trying to report them I guess then, here's hoping they eventually give up and go away.

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I recommend just blocking suspicious accounts that have come to this thread with only 2 posts in their entire history. It seems they have no stakes in being part of this community and are just bored and using throwaway accounts to cause trouble (and maybe even try to get long-time users here banned).

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I recommend just blocking suspicious accounts that have come to this thread with only 2 posts in their entire history. It seems they have no stakes in being part of this community and are just bored and using throwaway accounts to cause trouble (and maybe even try to get long-time users here banned).

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this is wise, I think I'll start trying to follow that.

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