Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

I hope it's not wayy later. Like patch 6.1x would be fine, but if it's all the way at the end, then I will be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

come on time to revive this thread, make sure they give us our female hrothgar is 7.0.

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Better be way before then.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Better be way before then.

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yeah your right, kinda pissed they added male viera but not female hrothgar, the sooner the better.

The furry ladies cometh! Hope it’s soon- maybe we can get a sneak peek in Zadnor now that they have been promised to be playable at a later date.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I hope it's not wayy later. Like patch 6.1x would be fine, but if it's all the way at the end, then I will be disappointed.

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I'd be surprised if it's before 6.3 at the veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery earliest based on how they were talking about the backlog. Still I'm so glad we have confirmation now.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I hope it's not wayy later. Like patch 6.1x would be fine, but if it's all the way at the end, then I will be disappointed.

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Yeah I would expect within the post patches of the 6.X series (like how we got blu mid-expansion)
Honestly my expectations are so low that I'm just happy they understand it's worth working on.

I am SO happy to hear female hrothgar are coming down the line. That being said, I wish they at least showed us concept art or something to tide us over. I hope they come by 6.1 and not way down the line. It's not fair male viera come at release and female hrothgar are pushed back but I am just happy they are coming. I wish they would have released them together.

Please please PLEASE do not be Miqo'te 2.0. PLEASE.

Buff lion moms go go.

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Originally Posted by Strika23

I am SO happy to hear female hrothgar are coming down the line. That being said, I wish they at least showed us concept art or something to tide us over. I hope they come by 6.1 and not way down the line. It's not fair male viera come at release and female hrothgar are pushed back but I am just happy they are coming. I wish they would have released them together.

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Yeah, I was like "Yay, they're confirmed coming! But ... no art? No end to people saying they think they should look like dudes with boobs for no reason"

But now that we got confirmation the fight's over, so there's nothing to it but to wait. Maybe we WILL get more art in the final Bozja story.

Yay, I'm happy now!

I'm really, really hoping for something more akin to Cheetah from DC Comics.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Yeah, I was like "Yay, they're confirmed coming! But ... no art? No end to people saying they think they should look like dudes with boobs for no reason"

But now that we got confirmation the fight's over, so there's nothing to it but to wait. Maybe we WILL get more art in the final Bozja story.

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I thought that was the general consensus prior. I suppose there was no actual confirmation, but I always thought they would include them sooner or later. I just didn't think it would be sooner than later. Not surprised they went with male viera first, the more popular of the two. :p

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Yeah, I was like "Yay, they're confirmed coming! But ... no art? No end to people saying they think they should look like dudes with boobs for no reason"

But now that we got confirmation the fight's over, so there's nothing to it but to wait. Maybe we WILL get more art in the final Bozja story.

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Concept art or official art like they did back in the last FanFest would have been very nice. But again, just anything that isn't Miqo'te 2.0 or clearly using the female Hyur model as a base. Beast women, let's go!

Honestly, the main reason I stayed up so damn late to watch the fanfest was in hopes of female hrothgar. The lack of that in what seems to be this expansion is frustrating beyond belief.

They could be saving the concept art for the Live Letter tomorrow for Female Hrothgar. I won't hold my breath, but it is very possible.

Maybe they want to reserve female Hrothgar concept art for when they reveal them? While we know they are working of them and will release them, they never gave us a date. For all we know it might be for another expansion.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Yeah, I was like "Yay, they're confirmed coming! But ... no art? No end to people saying they think they should look like dudes with boobs for no reason"

But now that we got confirmation the fight's over, so there's nothing to it but to wait. Maybe we WILL get more art in the final Bozja story.

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On the one hand I think maybe the game could use a more masculine female race, the Male Viera seem'd more feminine than any of the others to me the most masculine you have on the female side are Roegadyn ( and you can make it work with Highlander too, I'd say their animations lean that way ).
But not to the same extent where I think they're overtly masculine.

With that said I really do hate this extreme negativity aimed at femininity and how feminine curves are demonized so much or always require some deep justification.
Especially with breasts, they're like the sole body part that people obsess about negatively that aren't straight up actual genitals.
It's like a robot can clearly be modeled after hyper masculine male anatomy and that's fine ( which serves no function other than visual either ), but oh it has even slightly pronounced breasts and that's a problem.

There's just a lot of antagonism towards femininity and womens bodies that makes me really uncomfortable and often just feels like actual hate.

They definitely won't go the FemRoe routes, as I assume they want some return on investment and FemRoe are a blackhole where player engagement is concerned.

Since they are working on the female Hrothgar model, I hope they go the Yugiri route and show us a heavily shrouded one in the next Bozja quest

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

They definitely won't go the FemRoe routes, as I assume they want some return on investment and FemRoe are a blackhole where player engagement is concerned.

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It doesn't help that making a good looking FemRoe is a trial in itself, if they had more attractive options for FemRoe faces I feel there'd be more. I still think a more heroically built female race would be nice to have. There are a great deal of options for players to pick for femme options, where as the more masc females have only two: Bimbo Highlanders, and Tall FemRoes.

Some would say - FemRoes are the muscle girls of FFXIV! I'd respectfully disagree when you take into account their male counterparts and how disgustingly extreme the sexual dimorphism is. I honestly hope with FemHroth there's a reversal of that.

With how youthful and effeminate the male vieras are it would seem redundant to do the same with female hrothgar(but feminine...again). Especially how the former looks closely similar to the female viera, so why do extreme dimorphism with Hrothgar or paste another "barbie" shape on the females? A female Au Ra Reaper still doesn't wow anyone compared to Lion Reaper lol. And with how the gender is delayed I feel and hope it means the devs are planning on fixing the hair fantasia lock, making creative unique faces to fit the features of the Males or even make a new mesh that can be used with the midlander model that will look/rig better than both fem highlander and roe. All three of those together feel like the biggest reason on top of covid for why it has been hanged up on the project bin and I don't mind that. (They stated once they find the opportunity to add them they would because hands were tied. Making my theory a bit moot)

Sure, I want to see a hint of one in Zadnor but with how irregular any mural hints are and how controversially exaggerated (looking at male Hrothgar illustrations) said murals are it can be anyone's guess and I personally want Hrothgar's to have the benefit of taking advantage of any future character customization upgrades as the "poster race" so a beta NPC design would just muddy it. Maybe at least confirm if they will have exotic cat heads.

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Originally Posted by DyslexicKitten

It doesn't help that making a good looking FemRoe is a trial in itself, if they had more attractive options for FemRoe faces I feel there'd be more. I still think a more heroically built female race would be nice to have. There are a great deal of options for players to pick for femme options, where as the more masc females have only two: Bimbo Highlanders, and Tall FemRoes.

Some would say - FemRoes are the muscle girls of FFXIV! I'd respectfully disagree when you take into account their male counterparts and how disgustingly extreme the sexual dimorphism is. I honestly hope with FemHroth there's a reversal of that.

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Face-wise, making a good looking femroe is easy, it's around the waist and down that tends to be the problem because of their postures and complete lack of hips and curves, and doesn't help that the majority of female clothing inclines to more cutesy styles that simply don't mix with their silhouettes

https://i.imgur.com/UzLy1NN.png
https://i.imgur.com/KLhXAKS.png

I'd have to disagree, most femroe faces are nasty.

Working around different bodytypes is what makes the different races nice, cutesy clothing doesn't work for them as well as a miqo'te because obviously of their bodyshapes. You really can't expect all women to have really wide hips, but pulling off a cute look is still very possible with a femroe's physique, and a rewarding experience.

Either way, I tend to gravitate to more 'cool' looks, and properly built fem hroth would fufill that niche.

https://i.imgur.com/UZsgRMv.png

I hope they have some muscles. <3

So happy that they didnt forget about female hrotgar and confirmed theyll be coming later, which is understandable, so excited for you guys as well <3

Some of yall are wayyyy too optimistic, ignoring how much effort it would take to drop a whole race mid expansion you have tp account for the numerous pushbacks on content theyre gonna be working to make up for, femhroth are gonna be 7.0 at the earliest, honestly i wouldn't be shocked if it was even later.
Buckle up your in gor a good 2 and a half year more wait

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Originally Posted by zeylos

So happy that they didnt forget about female hrotgar and confirmed theyll be coming later, which is understandable, so excited for you guys as well <3

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As long as they put the maximum number of work into both races, I will be fine with it. I just don't want to wait until 7.0 for it.

After looking at the Male Viera, idk, Im not personally feeling to optimistic about how FemHroth will look...whenever the heck we get them. Either Later in EW, or in 7.0 (T_T).
But hey, anything can happen. Male Viera happened.

I just hope its worth the wait and I can be as excited as the otehr crowd is.

Don't know how i feel about "later" because that can pretty much mean anything from Endwalker release to 7.0, which if it was not before 7.0 .. would just be .. gah..

But well at least we got reaper so 1 of 2 things i really wanted.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

After looking at the Male Viera, idk, Im not personally feeling to optimistic about how FemHroth will look...

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Just out of curiosity, why not? Do you think they look too dissimilar from female Viera?

I have no interest in playing one, but I think the male Viera look great and very cohesive with the general Viera aesthetic.

I'd imagine they would go the same route for female Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Just out of curiosity, why not? Do you think they look too dissimilar from female Viera?

I have no interest in playing one, but I think the male Viera look great and very cohesive with the general Viera aesthetic.

I'd imagine they would go the same route for female Hrothgar.

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Yeah, seeing how male viera are basically female viera but in males, in that they look identical in asthetic (opposite to au ra) Im hopefull fem hrots will also look like mlae hrots but in female, and have a really similar beastly asthetic and animations

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Originally Posted by White_Wolf_X

Don't know how i feel about "later" because that can pretty much mean anything from Endwalker release to 7.0, which if it was not before 7.0 .. would just be .. gah..

But well at least we got reaper so 1 of 2 things i really wanted.

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Can always be proven wrong, but Im convinced "Later" means 7.0. Which irritates and bums me out.
Ill get over it, but I kinda wish they could have held back on Male Viera until after they also finished Female Hrothgar, so they could be released at the same time like they did the 1st time with Male Hrothgar & Female Viera to Make both camps happy, instead of 1 camp happy and just a "Promise that the other is coming later."

Yeah-Yeah-yeah we at least have confirmation and pretty much a promise that its happening....but just like the Hair situation, we have no mention of a timeframe.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Yeah, seeing how male viera are basically female viera but in males, in that they look identical in asthetic (opposite to au ra) Im hopefull fem hrots will also look like mlae hrots but in female, and have a really similar beastly asthetic and animations

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Yeah, if they'd made male Viera some raging muscle roid-beast or a teeny tiny waif I'd be worried about female Hrothgar as well. But as they are they make a good pair and look like they belong to the same race.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Just out of curiosity, why not? Do you think they look too dissimilar from female Viera?

I have no interest in playing one, but I think the male Viera look great and very cohesive with the general Viera aesthetic.

I'd imagine they would go the same route for female Hrothgar.

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MY personal reason is, they just dont look how I personally imagined them, with what little information we ever got about Viera Males, it painted a very different picture for me. I did think they would be bigger and more masculine warrior types, not what they are now. Honestly, they look fine overall, not like I Hate how they look, its just not how I pictured them.
And so Im wary of the same effect happening where I have a good idea/my own vision of how I think Hrothgar Females will look & will make me happy....and it wont happen. I can reasonably be nervous that they will look a way I dont want them to look. The reveal of the Viera males just solidifies that can happen.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

MY personal reason is, they just dont look how I personally imagined them, with what little information we ever got about Viera Males, it painted a very different picture for me. I did think they would be bigger and more masculine warrior types, not what they are now. Honestly, they look fine overall, not like I Hate how they look, its just not how I pictured them.
And so Im wary of the same effect happening where I have a good idea/my own vision of how I think Hrothgar Females will look & will make me happy....and it wont happen. I can reasonably be nervous that they will look a way I dont want them to look. The reveal of the Viera males just solidifies that can happen.

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Oh sure, wasn't trying to downplay your worries, just wondering what specifically about how male Viera look made you worried about female Hrothgar. :)

With it being standard anime fare to make female beast races more humanized and less beastly I'd say it's still a decent worry until we actually see them, and there's always a chance they won't look exactly as you imagined them.

I also expected male Viera to be more muscular because that's just the stereotypical way to go about it, so I was pleasantly surprised to see that if the women can be fierce jungle warriors in their own right and not look overly muscular then the men don't either.

I think it actually bodes well for female Hrothgar that they're willing to explore slightly less stereotypical approaches to the counterparts.

Fingers crossed that you'll enjoy how they end up looking in the end. :)

The confirmation is nice, so I'm happy to hear they are coming. I'm curious to see what they will look like in the end, but all in due time.

I'm happy female hroths are coming! It's confirmed, now we just need to wait. They'll probably come in 7.0, as I think it's unlikely a race will drop mid expansion. But I'll look forwards to every live letter for some news on that!

i'm excited to see what they look like

I know one must always temper one's expectations, but I do find it funny that after all the "You'll never get M-Veira!" and "Good luck waiting for 7.0 and beyond!" They surprise us and they show up in 6.0, yet we're already back to. "Bah! Don't expect anything! F-Hroth's for 7.0 if you're lucky!" and "They'll never surprise us! ... y'know... like they just did... so there!" The cycle continues.