Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Because the suggestion being offered (check MSQ progression) isn’t an improvement for anyone but the tiny fraction of the playerbase affected by this who are also complaining about it

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Which is totally fine. If it's not causing problems, then no reason to complain about it really.

Considering that CT is the most common raid, wouldn't that make the people that totally dislike it a minority, and then by your logic shouldn't they be ignored? It's silly.

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If you are level 84 in the ARR post game you only have CT unlocked, you are functionally accidentally ILVL cheesing, the roulette doesn’t need more incentives to pop CT, doubt it on another job is already going to pop CT more anyway

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That does not make sense. And if CT is such a problem, then let's separate from the other raids. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

There may be a number of things from lack of funds or knowledge, to MSQ progress.


This isn't always an issue of being a couple of levels off. You can hit 70 before MSQ level 50. I've done it, and that's not even being completely efficient at leveling.

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That makes it a problem of choice then; there's nothing forcing a player to do alliance raids. They want to, and that's fair, but they are choosing not to do the MSQ, or play on a second job, or just buy the gear.

It's not like they have to unlock additional roulettes and they absolutely can keep doing the CT series. The only roadblock is self imposed.

Not that the system in play isn't flawed, but it is what it is- players have a lot of options available to them to be able to do the roulette again in no time. They need only pick one.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

That makes it a problem of choice then; there's nothing forcing a player to do alliance raids. They want to, and that's fair, but they are choosing not to do the MSQ, or play on a second job, or just buy the gear.

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It's actually the other way around. The MSQ by itself can push you far ahead of MSQ level. It's not that people are choosing not to do it, it's that doing it causes you to overlevel very easily.

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It's not like they have to unlock additional roulettes and they absolutely can keep doing the CT series. The only roadblock is self imposed.

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I can't see how it's self imposed if it happens because of the roulette requirements and affects people just playing the game normally. Whether it is or it's not self imposed, I would think everyone would prefer a system where roulette access can't just be revoked for arbitrary reasons.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You have to understand that the position you are in is not the target for the roulettes, and you having access to them on an overlevelled character while in the HW MSQ is inadvertently causing the same problem as intentional ilvl cheesers

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You are talking from the position of someone on a long-established DC with a large population of higher level people. Many high levels on Dynamis transferred over for a house and then abandoned the DC to just go do things on their original DC. A lot of the population there are new players and not all of them are at the max level. AR still absolutely sucks on Dynamis and you're arguing against solutions that could help keep players on that DC in those queues helping them stay active.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You are talking from the position of someone on a long-established DC with a large population of higher level people. Many high levels on Dynamis transferred over for a house and then abandoned the DC to just go do things on their original DC. A lot of the population there are new players and not all of them are at the max level. AR still absolutely sucks on Dynamis and you're arguing against solutions that could help keep players on that DC in those queues helping them stay active.

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New players have the same access to the change that caused that mess: DC travel. Come over to aether and run some content since its the thing to do :).

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Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro

New players have the same access to the change that caused that mess: DC travel. Come over to aether and run some content since its the thing to do :).

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I specifically don't do that on my Dynamis alt since it's a big reason the queues are dead in the first place. I already have my main if I want the Aether experience. The problem on Dynamis isn't going get better if people there start getting locked out of roulettes they could help keep alive because the experience buff is overleveling them.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You are talking from the position of someone on a long-established DC with a large population of higher level people. Many high levels on Dynamis transferred over for a house and then abandoned the DC to just go do things on their original DC. A lot of the population there are new players and not all of them are at the max level. AR still absolutely sucks on Dynamis and you're arguing against solutions that could help keep players on that DC in those queues helping them stay active.

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Again that circles back to my original point, I say this in the nicest way possible but you can “woe is me” any number of random groups supposedly affected by this but square has come at this from a roulette wide view to make the roulettes better at their core purpose

A person on dynamis doesn’t factor into this decision because you’ve already achieved what dynamis was designed to do- act as a pressure valve for aether (it’s not working great but it’s there), whether you queue for the AR on dynamis or aether the same thing is achieved, because the roulette is designed to help direct queuers- who are also better off queuing on aether, road to 80 should be removed for your main class and only act as a catch-up mechanism to avoid this stupid “I have 6 level 90’s in the SB MSQ” but still

I still say the better solution is to actually lock the roulettes until you have unlocked all possible content for them, but that solution isn’t happening

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

It's actually the other way around. The MSQ by itself can push you far ahead of MSQ level. It's not that people are choosing not to do it, it's that doing it causes you to overlevel very easily.



I can't see how it's self imposed if it happens because of the roulette requirements and affects people just playing the game normally. Whether it is or it's not self imposed, I would think everyone would prefer a system where roulette access can't just be revoked for arbitrary reasons.

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It's still a matter of choice when it comes to doing Alliance raids.

The roulette is not the only way to gain access to Alliance raids. The player can direct queue for up to 5 at the same time and will get assigned to one of those 5.

The player can choose to gear for their job level and gain access to the roulette, or not gear for their job level so they need to manually select the raids. There's nothing special about the roulette bonus that can't be acquired through other content.

For most of those who have overleveled their MSQ progress, the roulette bonus is more harmful than helpful. It contributes more XP so they overlevel MSQ even more (assuming they haven't already reached 90, or 70 if on free trial). Tomestones become useless for gearing (if they need accessible poetics gear for alt jobs, they could have queued using those alt jobs in the first place).

Solutions are at hand - level 90 gear is not expensive if you craft or work with a crafter friend that has learned the Master IX or X books to make Classical or Rinasita gear. A full set of Classical is only going to cost about 20k considering current material prices. Roulette is not necessary when you don't need the roulette bonus and you can direct queue.

It's the player's choice not to avail themselves of the options.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

It's actually the other way around. The MSQ by itself can push you far ahead of MSQ level. It's not that people are choosing not to do it, it's that doing it causes you to overlevel very easily .

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It’s still just a matter of choice. I am well aware you can level 2 jobs to cap just on MSQ alone more or less (I’ve done it 3 times beyond my main). I level is irrelevant and my point stands if they aren’t able to access sources of gear that will fix their ilvl.

That’s the point: The problem is only that a player needs higher ilvl to do the roulette, which to me is a non problem at all.

To actually even be a problem, a player is
1) actively choosing to not proceed MSQ which provides ample gear for free via dungeons/quests/etc
2) actively choosing not to just buy gear to get the required ilvl; money is a non issue for level 50 stuff
3) actively choosing not to just get tomestone gear, which they should be able to afford after minimal roulettes.

Any one of these options alleviates your problem. All you need do is pick one.

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I can't see how it's self imposed if it happens because of the roulette requirements and affects people just playing the game normally.

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And you are well aware that’s how it used to be, but enough people complained about ilvl cheese and this is the solution that was given.

And adding a couple more conditions to alleviate this "self-imposed" problem, is a problem because?