The Black Mage Rotations

the buff is quite nice i must say on single target. Seeing some real nice crits. Of course I like the non crits as well xD

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

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You are ignoring the potency of fire3. Pre-patch Infinite flare was better then N3 only on 4+ target since otherwise overall potency was better. You need 6+ mobs to start to really loose dps compared to pre-patch

You can no longer do the pre-patch rotatin reliably anymore.

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Originally Posted by Uninstall

You can no longer do the pre-patch rotatin reliably anymore.

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You just have to not spam fire3 button while waiting for mana recover but let pass half a second from mana tik

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Originally Posted by LetBloodline

You just have to not spam fire3 button while waiting for mana recover but let pass half a second from mana tik

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I am having issues even with waiting a whole second about half the times. This clunkiness makes me almost want to go back to using Blizzard spells. :(

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

So lets see, looking at just aoe potency.
N = 0, 260*1.8 every 12s = 39 pps
N = 1, (260+100)*1.8, and this will take 15s due to F3 and ticks = 43.2 pps
N = 2, (260+100+100)*1.8 over 18s = 46 pps

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I haven't gotten a chance to try it out yet, but unless they've changed something, N = 1 should take 12s and N = 2 should take 15s. This translates to an AoE potency of 55.2 PPS per target, which is about 94% of the PPS of the Flare rotation. N = 3 would be 56 PPS per target (95%).

I still have to try it to confirm though.

Side note: N = 0 is limited to 12s by the cooldown of Transpose, so it's correct.

They changed something. I only tried it a little bit, but I think UI1 and UI2 act like UI3 now. That is, when casting Fire 3, the UI1/2 buff gets removed shortly before it finishes casting, and then AF3 is applied after it hits.

It seems that if you start casting Fire 3 right when you get a mana tick after Transpose (casting time 3.5s), the UI1 buff is removed before you get the next tick, so you won't be able to cast Fire 2 before doing Flare. To alleviate this, you can wait for half a second before casting Fire 3. However, I think this causes you to miss a mana tick, so the rotation is extended by 3s. This would make Kenji's numbers correct.

More testing is necessary.

We may need to revisit the 2.0 AoE rotation: B2 - B2 - F3 - F2 spam - Flare - Transpose

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Originally Posted by O-Deka-K

They changed something. I only tried it a little bit, but I think UI1 and UI2 act like UI3 now. That is, when casting Fire 3, the UI1/2 buff gets removed shortly before it finishes casting, and then AF3 is applied after it hits.

It seems that if you start casting Fire 3 right when you get a mana tick after Transpose (casting time 3.5s), the UI1 buff is removed before you get the next tick, so you won't be able to cast Fire 2 before doing Flare. To alleviate this, you can wait for half a second before casting Fire 3. However, I think this causes you to miss a mana tick, so the rotation is extended by 3s. This would make Kenji's numbers correct.

More testing is necessary.

We may need to revisit the 2.0 AoE rotation: B2 - B2 - F3 - F2 spam - Flare - Transpose

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You don't want full mana. You want only 2 mana tiks that means be able to cast fire 2 fire 2 flare. You must have a SS so high that fire 3 cast time is less then 3s before having issues with this rotation and the "issue" is wait 0.1 sec if your fire3 cast time is of 2.9

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Originally Posted by LetBloodline

You don't want full mana. You want only 2 mana tiks that means be able to cast fire 2 fire 2 flare. You must have a SS so high that fire 3 cast time is less then 3s before having issues with this rotation and the "issue" is wait 0.1 sec if your fire3 cast time is of 2.9

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I agree that Spell Speed may be a factor. However, according to PuroStrider's spreadsheet, you'd need 686 spell speed in order to reduce the cast time of Fire3 to 3 seconds. I only have 440.

In 2.0, UI1, UI2, UI3 all worked the same: UI was switched to AF3 when Fire3/Flare hit.

In 2.1, UI3 was changed so that UI3 was removed shortly before Fire3/Flare hit and AF3 was applied after, leaving a small window where you have no buff. However, it was discovered that they didn't change UI1 and UI2, so the double-Flare was modified to work under UI1.

In 2.3 now, they specifically said that they changed UI1 and UI2, so I think that they just applied the same change as they did with UI3. I haven't been watching my buffs carefully enough to confirm this though. I'm going to do some testing this weekend.

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Originally Posted by O-Deka-K

In 2.3 now, they specifically said that they changed UI1 and UI2, so I think that they just applied the same change as they did with UI3. I haven't been watching my buffs carefully enough to confirm this though. I'm going to do some testing this weekend.

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You're right in your assumption. I tested it as soon as patch day hit because I figured that's the change they would have applied.