I think it was around the time of Sophia that they decided to kinda stop with the permadeaths.
I still remember the good old days of Titan, getting knocked to the bottom of the arena, and just having to stare at the rocks for a few minutes. Good times.
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10-07-2018, 06:41 AMAosha
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10-07-2018, 07:01 AMAosha
On another note, I'm finally starting to give up on trying to fight Savage Chaos in party finder. I've now seen all of the following, in supposed "weekly clear" parties (not all in the same party, thank god):
- A party where we had the boss at 33% when he cast the Earthquake in his enrage sequence. On a "good" run.
- A party leader who had written the usual "multiple fails = replace", failing more mechanics than everyone else combined. (expected)
- A summoner, having Ifrit use Flaming Crush (NOT Radiant Shield) before pull, switching to Garuda, using Contagion, and then hardcasting Ifrit back in right after. (why??)
- Healers failing to heal the OFFtank back up during Earthquakes (no hope for the MT, obviously).
- Healers completely neglecting to heal the main tank before an incoming tank buster. For half a health bar's worth of blocked auto attacks.
- A party leader demanding that we do the orb transition phase the "healers/tanks inside" way and then failing to do his part in it several times.
- A red mage in i250-260 gear dying to the unavoidable jump damage in water phase, just by not having enough max HP.
- A summoner (party lead) for whom having Chaos jump from one corner to the opposite during tornado was "too far to run", so I had to tank him near the middle, with one flank in the tornado. Apparently he didn't take into consideration that he's RANGED and can thus hang around wherever he pleases. But no, HAD to have Chaos exactly there.
- A black mage not comprehending "get hit by both implosions" in Earthquake phase.
- A black mage insisting everyone else stack in his Leylines in the enrage water circle part. Leylines which he had plopped down outside melee range...
- And to top it all off, the one time I found a good party where we almost had Chaos (the boss) down, someone apparently downed Chaos (the data center), so half the party got booted out... -
10-07-2018, 08:37 AMHestzhyen
Alphascape 4.0 - had a lovely MCH who died because he ripped aggro from the MT right before Omega-M began to charge up the tank buster. Tank got it back but was too late, MCH bit the dust and crumbled into a pile of salt. They sat there dead on the floor and refused all raises, choosing to whine at the tank for swapping to Sword Oath instead. Even when the SCH used LB3 they purposely ran off the ledge. I know it's frustrating to rip aggro even with using enmity reducers (and to his credit he did use them)... and the tank's gear wasn't that great compared to the MCH's... but there's no need to wail and cry like a spoiled brat because of one death in normal mode. At least they didn't win any of their loot rolls.
On another note, still entirely possible to clear the fight down a DPS and hitting the "enrage" by killing one of the Omega-people early. The SCH and I hardly broke a sweat keeping everyone up through the laser disco until Omega-M was killed. Was kind of surprised at how weak the enrage was honestly, but then again it's NM so maybe I shouldn't be. -
10-07-2018, 01:39 PMBright-Flower
I have a story as well as a bit of a confession. I just went through ex roulette as tank, got arboretum hard.
I ask the group if they want big or small pulls. Neither the dragoon nor ninja answer, but healer says big is fine. So I do big pulls.
We get by just fine but I notice things are taking a while to die, and they're generally dying one at a time. And I don't see any dotons from the ninja. So I assume the ninja is just single targeting instead of aoeing. Maybe I was wrong, maybe the ninja was the one aoeing and just not using doton and the dragoon was single targeting, but I'm pretty sure with the way damage was going out one of them was aoeing and the other wasn't, and I'm guessing the ninja was the culprit since I didn't see any dotons.
This isn't the end of the world. It irks me a bit but not enough to say anything in party chat. So I continue the run and we get to the last boss. I've had groups before where multiple people start hitting the mud pie, and cause it to ping pong around and get hit by the mud aoes and thus hit the group with lots of aoe damage because of this. So instead of immediately pulling, I start to type out in party chat if anyone in particular wants to take mud pie duty. It's not like I was afk for 5 minutes or something. I was simply trying to type out a simple question before pulling the boss, but apparently the ninja was in that much of a hurry despite not saying a thing the entire run.
Before I can finish typing out that simple question the ninja pulls the boss. And at that point, I decided I was done. I let the group die, including myself, tell the ninja to look up what doton is and to not pull bosses, and then I promptly leave the group. I didn't try to kick the ninja or make anyone kick me, I just left and ate the 30 minute timer.
I know that the mature and responsible thing to do would be to just pick up threat on the boss, kill it like normal and finish the run, then say something to the ninja during or after the boss fight. And on most days that's probably what I would have done. But for some reason, the ninja pulling the boss like that without even asking why I hadn't pulled yet or waiting for me to finish typing my question, I just decided I was done. Didn't care if the nice or pragmatic thing was to finish the dungeon and leave. Another tank can come in and get a fast roulette filling the gap. I can get another instant tank queue tomorrow to finish off my weekly tomes. But I was tired and frustrated and just decided **** it.
Ultimately, the lack of aoe wasn't really what what made me mad. I don't always play perfectly. I probably made mistakes in that run even. That was just a minor thing, and the impatient pulling of the boss set me off. -
10-07-2018, 03:28 PMvan_arnDon't ever finish a run you don't want to finish. You did the right thing bailing, since you didn't want to kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bright-Flower
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10-07-2018, 08:02 PMMarniDawgThis is so that garuda's skill is on cooldown and she will immediately cast contagion then you can swap back to ifrit for more damage. But they definitely shouldn't be hard casting ifrit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aosha
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10-08-2018, 03:05 AMBerteaux_BraumegainAmazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk
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10-08-2018, 03:27 AMdragonseth07
We just had to vote abandon O11N. Neither healer could figure out how to survive, at all. The Larboard/Starboard always claimed at least one Healer, the other often dying shortly thereafter. Meteor circles were a shit show, often not possible because people were dead when they showed up. The giant fists on the outside were invisible to half the raid, only half of us could apparently see them coming.
I ended up fucking up a Mustard Bomb because I got distracted trying to help keep everything else afloat with Clemency and Cover. It was just awful.
We tried explaining stuff, but there was no learning going on. It was abysmal. -
10-08-2018, 04:39 AMTheMightyMolluskRavana does have a knockback attack that can throw you off if you're not paying attention when the walls crumble after Bloody Fuller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain
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10-08-2018, 05:13 AMZeich
Ran O11 last night on DRK, partnered with a WAR. He's in Deliverance, and I like main tanking, so y'know, works out well, right? Ahahaha no.
First 10% of the fight goes well, then out of nowhere the WAR provokes, still in Deliverance. I'm like "Uh..." okay, I'm in tank stance, I got this. I'll just pull hate back--oh wait, there goes Omega wiggling away, I have to dodge a move, WAR continues to build hate and eats the hit. So I'm busy trying to pull hate back, and Omega keeps wiggling back and forth and turning, Starboard/Larboard are in weird spots, and eventually due to all of this I died. Honestly, I should have just said "okay, he wants to tank, I'll shirk and OT." But I died, so whatever, my hate's reset, it's all his.
First thing I see when I get back up is that he's barely ahead on the hate list above one of the DPS, so I'm like "okay, I got this!" Drop Grit now that I'm acting as OT, do Provoke + Shirk to bump the MT up a good chunk. Immediately after I Shirk, he Shirks me back. Suddenly I'm MT at about 1/2 of my health, not in tank stance. I fumble my buttons instead of putting up The Darkest Night as a Mustard Bomb goes off, bam, I'm on the floor again. I get back up, we move on with the fight, slowly making progress. We made it past the DPS check before my second death, so all's well, I guess, it's just the grind down to the end. Once more, now that I'm double-weakened, I'm like "okay, he'll surely hold hate this time." Just in case, have a Provoke+Shirk - I try and be thoughtful as an OT since he's maintaining Deliverance instead of swapping to Defiance, so that way he doesn't have to swap. Nope! Moment I hit Shirk, he Shirks me back, and again I'm not in Grit, so ow. Managed to keep alive this time, but he kept ping-ponging hate the rest of the fight with random Provokes.
At least we cleared but uuuuuuugh. That was a headache. -
10-08-2018, 07:39 AMAoshaAh, that's good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarniDawg
On another note, I finally downed savage Chaos. This time teamed with a couple of friends, and we got it on our (I think?) third PF group. All but us 2 tanks ended up dying to Cyclones going off (scary), but we managed to get down the last fraction of a % before Earthquake happened. The last hit was my Requiescat, so my thought process went to "well, I guess I was correct, he rests now". -
10-08-2018, 07:41 AMHyoMinPark
Was farming Suzaku Ex this weekend, and the PF I was in got a WAR with i370/i380 everything except their weapon.
Weapon was the i290 Antiquated weapon.
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10-08-2018, 10:00 AMBright-FlowerHow does that even happen?! Did they main dark knight or paladin and just not bother getting a weapon from...ANYWHERE?Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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10-08-2018, 10:57 AMMesarthimWell I can recount the time back in heavensward where I had a warrior with a gubal NORMAL weapon on in Sohm Al Hard, while also proceeding to barely keep aggro.Quote:
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10-08-2018, 12:43 PMko_
No money.. as I'm leveling PLd right now and I have no poes or gil to buy gear.. so I have to spam dungeons to get gear. It sucks and happens more often then you would think. Tho I don't que into harder content like that.. but just saying.. it does happen.
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10-08-2018, 01:14 PMMoonfish
Queued for mentor roulette as DRK and got dropped in the vault 48 minutes in progress on last boss. First try the healer gets run over by a horse and doesn’t remove the bleed and is subsequently killed by altar pyre because healing was slow. I asked if they had esuna on the way back and they said yeah. Second try, same thing except I see them spamming Cure 3 and only healing themselves. I explain that a Cure 3 has a very short range with high MP cost and is not worth casting unless we are all stacked (and with 2 SMNs, no one is stacked). This is when healer gets defensive and tells me to worry about tanking, they know how their spells work, they weren’t trying to heal me with it, they healed who they wanted with it.
This is why I don’t bother trying to help teach anyone, even in mentor roulette. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I already have my Astrope, I do this roulette just to fill queues.
We did manage to clear on the 4th try (surprisingly I didn’t see any cure 3s lol), only me and the healer was alive for the last 5% and healer swift casted a heal on themselves instead of getting a SMN up. Whatevs. -
10-08-2018, 01:40 PMJijifli
I can't believe I didn't share this.
A couple days ago, after getting into plenty of clear parties for Suzaku ex that just weren't doing well (like 10 minutes in, boss is 48% not well), I made my own party. A clear for myself, people joining had to have cleared. I expected it to go nowhere, the party itself actually being more of a little vent. But after half an hour, a bard joined. And he brought his friends, getting more members. After a bit longer, we got the party together fully.
We went in and... We ONE SHOTTED IT. Not only that, my rapier dropped.
I just wanted to say, to the 7 that came, thank you so much. I am happy people gave me a chance, and I am glad I was able to show it back within the party. -
10-08-2018, 02:02 PMStellafreyja
Welp, last night was the first time I've ever bailed on a dungeon. I was leveling WAR trying to get to LV60 and decided to run Gubal Library (a dungeon I hate very much) since I finished all my roulettes. Things are going fine up until Demon Tome. I know that someone is new in the dungeon and I just note that I hate the boss. We proceed to wipe, which is fine since people are new. Explained mechanics. And then we proceeded to wipe 5 more times because the WHM kept dying. I don't quite understand how you can reach LV59 on a WHM and not use: Tetra, Bene, Medica 1 or Medica 2, and Assize. I tried to be patient. I'm a healer main (AST/WHM) so I know how WHM works. I'm just really hoping I didn't scare a new healer away from healing. I'm so sorry to that party I had to abandon. :c
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10-08-2018, 04:42 PMLimonia
I have been in Suzaku ex practice parties recently (couldn't do it much yet because all of the disconnects last week) and my co-healers only used like 30% of their abilities all the time. WITHOUT the dps spells. I've come to terms with the fact that so many healers refuse to dps even during downtime. But please, please just use all your healing abilities at least! I'm still learning the fight too, I can't solo heal it. Please use Earthly Star more than once during the fight. Please shield the tanks before tankbusters, especially when they have vulnerability up stacks. Please use Assize. Yes, it does damage and you don't like that, but it's also a free heal. Just like Asylum. You can also Regen the tank instead of pressing Cure every 2 seconds. Divine Benison is a great shield, please use it. Tetragrammaton is like a free, instant Cure II. I don't even want to begin with things like Presence of Mind, Lightspeed or Eye for an Eye. I make mistakes too, especially during practice. But I at least try to use everything at my disposal. Yes, I sometimes forget about Synastry when I'm on AST because the WHM spot was already taken. But I don't forget about everything but Benefic and Helios.
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10-08-2018, 07:05 PMVahlnirCongrats. I've been trying to clear it for the past day or so and every "clear" party I have joined hasn't even dropped the boss under 35% and even hit the enrage timer a few times. Most haven't even reached the enrage timer. Poor dps and poor situational awareness were major factors. People seem to be joining clear parties and treating them as practice runs. And yet the learning party I was in yesterday was able to get her to around...15% ish before hitting the enrage timer. It makes me sad that it fell apart because I have no doubt that group could have cleared it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jijifli
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10-09-2018, 01:18 AMOrarosIt pains me to think that there are players out there who are THAT stupid...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk
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10-09-2018, 02:29 AMHyoMinParkThey were wearing i380 crafted gear—I remember their body and legs specifically were crafted because I examined them to see 1. Why they were doing less damage than an AST while in Deliverance, and 2. Why they couldn’t hold the boss after a swap. If they could afford those, they could afford a crafted i380 weapon, too. At the least, there’s been Ex primals that they could have gotten one from—Byakko, Tsukuyomi... They could have spent 1,000 mendacity and run V8N 4 times and Rabanastre+Ridorana once and gotten an i370 Weapon.Quote:
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10-09-2018, 03:17 AMMixt
Well, that was downright embarassing.
On the one hand, i cleared O10s at last.
On the other hand, my performance was terrible, far worse than i usually do.
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10-09-2018, 05:30 AMCincierta
I'm still kinda dumbfounded at this.
Had a roulette earlier this week while leveling another character up, got the vault. Had a blm, nin, sch, and pld, which was me. Everything started out fine, until I noticed that mobs weren't going down quickly. First boss took much longer than usual. I checked the blm, thinking it was them. Nope, gear was up-to-date, and they were a first-timer, and they seemed to be doing alright. Checked the sch, theirs was up-to-date, and they were doing their usual dots, heals, faerie healing and groundspells.
Then I checked the nin. She was wearing lvl 50 af gear and 48 weapon. I watched her while avoiding aoes and tanking around mobs; and realized she wasn't even using any aoe, almost no ninjutsu, no shadowfang, no assasinate, just the basic 1-2-3 combo you get pre-30, and she was 57. It filled me with dread.
Second boss was a mess, third boss we actually failed the holy flame dps check twice. The nin died several times each fight, causing the sch to waste mp on rezzing them often. While we managed to beat it on the third try, the nin fled after the boss was dead. Blm was kinda left wondering if that was the norm and left, and the healer didn't notice until I pointed it out to her that the nin was severely undergeared. Apparently that was her friend, and asked her to remind her friend that she should gear up a bit better to avoid eating so much dirt.
I think I'll avoid tanking for a while in roulette. -
10-09-2018, 07:06 AMRokkuEkkusuWhite Mages don't get Tetra until level 60. That being said, I agree with you. By the time people reach level 50 and beat all of the mandatory "Hard" modes post-2.0 story (that includes beating Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan Hard), I expect some competency from players from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stellafreyja
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10-09-2018, 08:29 AMvan_arnYou should've kicked that nin the instant you discovered they were that badly undergeared, and if that failed to go through bailed on them right then and there.Quote:
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Think of tanks as having a reverse queue-- you don't have a queue to get in, you wait in your roulette queues when you ditch unprepared groups. -
10-09-2018, 09:58 AMTheMightyMolluskNever assume you've found rock bottom. You're just asking for someone to come along with a better shovel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oraros
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10-09-2018, 12:22 PMOrarosPerhaps it was synchronized acrobatics?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk
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10-09-2018, 12:45 PMKaivaC
Had an odd run in Aurum Vale earlier. Wanted to get some practice in on MCH, as this was one of the only few jobs that I hadn’t actually tried until recently. Our tank was a mentor and playing as DRK and immediately, they say that they are still learning tanking and apologizes for any mistakes they may make. Tank is already in Grit, so I’m like, cool, this shouldn’t be too bad.
The tank starts moving and as we approach the first area, I notice that he doesn’t have darkside on. I let him know to go ahead and activate it. He doesn’t do so, and while it is annoying as I have a lot of experience as a DRK, it isn’t a dealbreaker to me, so our group pushes on. I don’t remember if it was the healer or the samurai that was getting on him about not having darkside, but eventually, the tank responded and said that they were too lazy to unlock it.
Now that…that was a dealbreaker for me. I don’t understand how that is possible? It’s literally your initial quest reward, so how lazy do you have to be that you can’t even do your initial quest to get darkside?
Sure enough, when the tank botched and pulled way too big after the first boss, they do the inevitable and rage quit after the wipe. One less headache in a run full of ‘em, but this one stood out to me the most. -
10-09-2018, 02:01 PMBourne_EndeavorAnd this is why it forever annoys me Leveling dungeons have no ilvl restriction. It's absurd someone can queue into content basically naked and the game allows it. Only for Leveling dungeons though. Everything else has some sort of gate. So it boggles the mind why they didn't add one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincierta
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10-09-2018, 02:01 PMStellafreyjaAh yes, I thought they got Tetra a bit earlier lol but either way. (And I completely agree)Quote:
Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu
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10-09-2018, 02:48 PM-BlueGreen-
I usually wouldn't bother posting in this thread even though I've browsed through it from time to time, but I just had an interesting run that I had a good laugh at and thought I'd share.
So, I queued up for leveling on an SCH alt and got, as usual, Sastasha. I don't really mind much and nothing special usually happens. Anyway, it started out fairly typical with me doing what I usually do on a healer: stick close to the tank, DoT everything that the tank pulls, ruin if there's nothing left to DoT, and heal if necessary. Just about every time I got near the tank (mosly to ensure Eos's regen would hit him), he'd take off to pull anything else in range if he could. By the time we were approaching the final boss, he pulled every mob from the previous boss to the gate of the final boss. Being too much for just Eos alone, I tossed in a few Physics and we made it through with no deaths (the archer and Bard were aoeing it up and things were dropping quickly).
Basically, it was a typical and successful speed pull of the place... that is until we actually get into the final boss chamber when the tank says to me: "you wanna tank? go ahead. tank. I'll wait"
At this point, I'm thinking "wait, I'm not the one that pulled all these mobs". But I figure that I'd be better off entertaining that thought rather than waste time arguing with the guy since it is Sastasha after all and the boss doesn't really hit all that hard. I go ahead and apply DoTs, energy burst and ruin, staying just ahead of both DPS in terms of emnity (Physic's potency was probably what helped keep me ahead because I'm sure their DPS could overshadow mine). For the first half of the fight the tank just stands there and I'm laughing pretty hysterically at this point because I'm not only holding the hate and staying alive, the 3 of us together produced enough DPS to phase skip the adds no problem. After taking a moment to realize just how irrelevant he was being to the fight, he finally jumped in and I popped lucid dreaming to let him easily take the hate once he had more than our two DPS (strangely, despite being a WAR, he didn't use provoke).
After we cleared it he then said to me: "learn some patience and not to pull everything you see" which I had another good laugh at. I suppose my subconscious possessed his character and caused him to do massive pulls so that I could test myself as a healer, and I just wasn't aware of it? -
10-09-2018, 09:39 PMDreggit
I have 3 longterm goals in this game.
1. Max out all classes (getting quite close to being done with the l50 grind)
2. Finish 85% of the combined log (crafting/sightseeing/gathering/hunting)
3. Acquire every Triple Triad card currently (207/236)
Yesterday I did the Lighthouse and none of the tanks seemingly wanted to MT. So I jumped to the call even with being new as most 24mans are fairly straight forward mechanically. I went into this seeking the card, that said, I regrettably flubbed up one of the fights add phase and wiped the raid. The raid however was mostly empathetic and we cleared the rest of the duty no more wipes. There were still many deaths from various alliances but we still got it done. (I feel like many of the trials/duties in SB have meatshield health but whatever)
I got the card however, and with this care the only cards left are in a handful of trials and several dungeons!! So exciting to be close to done with this long term goal. -
10-09-2018, 10:45 PMDornob
Last night, I was helping a friend quickly finish up normal Omega so they could get stuff before the weekly reset, finally finishing up on O11N before I had to sleep (they were AST, I was NIN). Load in, everything seems fine, greetings were exchanged, and we went in with no issues.
No issues until the first tank buster went through, that is. The two WARs we had, I dunno what went up, but every time a buster went through, they just crumpled with two cooldowns every time (by the third time this happened, I was checking while auto-piloting dps). I did notice both of them would always be in Deliverance, which I understand is better for the damage, but god if you aren't living even with cooldowns and the healers topping you off beforehand then maybe you should at least go Defiance for a little bit just to survive. Perhaps I'm wrong, I just think in this situation, something needs to be done on both sides.
3 attempts, not once did they change that. Instead they would blame the healers who weren't keeping them topped off (they were, only once were they not and that was because everyone else was dying and focus was super split). After 3 attempts and some chat arguing, everyone ended up leaving and we had to requeue. Thankfully, I ended up tanking out of frustration and my friend got the clear they needed. -
10-10-2018, 05:24 AMSannaR
So, um what do you do when you run into a person from the forums who've made one of the many "They might not be a Bad player because ___" threads and you're not sure it's them even when they ahh give an excuse they use as an example in their list of why a person might not be bad? I didn't kick them on part of not being sure it was them post the omg I can't believe they actually do this even after almost everyone in the thread said doing so is not cool happened. Also wasn't sure I'd get it to go through either. There was another reason for any mistakes that they gave later and it is one that I'd normally brush off but as it was coming from said person it made me think dang maybe you shouldn't be quing for stuff right now? There were some other nitpicks n play styles that they did that as a person who plays the job they were on as their main that weren't really worth a comment on but just added to the wow factor.
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10-10-2018, 06:16 AMbounddreamer
Queued for Sigmascape 1 last night to finish WT/try again for a bolt for the song.
Was a fairly standard run until the MT got caught by a ghost and boarded the side train.
Suddenly I, the WHM, was MT. The other tank never caught on but I furiously healed myself, supplemented by Lustrates and adlos from the adorable Lala SCH co healer, and even some Vercures from the RDM.
At last the MT returned from the sidecar and I actually managed to survive for them to provoke the train off me.
It was odd. And amusing. I wasn't mad. Just one of those runs where I guess the OT was on autopilot. -
10-10-2018, 06:22 AMCinciertaUnfortunately I was too filled with dread and just too stunned to even consider that. While I've had worse in the vault (had a tank with 50 af war gear try to do a run and do badly while I was healing), this topped my most recent list.Quote:
Originally Posted by van_arn
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10-10-2018, 07:39 AMLiam_HarperWhat's impressive is to reach the Vault, they must have gone through a large chunk of HW, solo duties and all with a lv48 weapon, barely any vit and missing about a half or more of their dps and never noticed something was really wrong.. I mean, I know leveling is easy, but that can't have been easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincierta
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10-10-2018, 07:46 AMBerteaux_BraumegainScholar is truly the strongest Tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by -BlueGreen-
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10-10-2018, 08:05 AMShinShimon
As a monk, I once had a Dark Knight tell me to stop moving so much in battle, because his job mechanics required me to stand still.
I still have no idea what the hell he was thinking.