Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

An update : Desert Yellow -> Aldgoat brown (12 berries, 6 apples, 6 pears)

Just fed it 15 berries, 3 apples and 3 pears. This time hoping to get a much darker shade. Ultimate goal is soot black.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

This time i've got Loam Brown.i think i'm still on the right track here.let's compare this
Midnight Blue 20 21 49 | R<G<B
Loam Brown 56 45 35 | R>G>B
Soot Black 37 35 30 | R>G>B
From Midnight Blue to Loam Brown,I've manage to control the Numbers in proper order,the rest is deepen them all to soot black but i think i might need to hit Kobold Brown first .. Anyway i fed him with 2 berry 1 pear.this method should lower green to get closer to blue but won't less than blue as same as red that won't lower than green.if my theory is right,i will get Kobold Brown or Soot Black.

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20/21/49 is midnight AND Soot Black is 37 35 30

3 Pineapples from Midnight will be = 35/36/34. > Lets try.

I have Midnight Blue as well. I fed it two Pineapples, both of which triggered a "new feathers" message. Will see what it is in ~2 hours.

I'm at Apple Green right now, how many of what fruit to get me in the Soot Black range?

So a friend of mine wants HUNTER GREEN chocobo. Anyone know the feeding procedure needed in order to get it? Any help would be vastly appreciated

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Originally Posted by VinylAlewyn

Mole Brown

http://i.imgur.com/qMAIqgM.jpg

Fed 20 berries, 9 apples and 15 pears.

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All in one go? I am trying for Mole Brown myself.

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Originally Posted by f1ashfire

I have Midnight Blue as well. I fed it two Pineapples, both of which triggered a "new feathers" message. Will see what it is in ~2 hours.

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Midnight Blue > bought 3 pineapples > 1st Pineapple triggered the message. God damn it!!! I did the math for 3 :) Shoudl i wait or should i feed more?

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Originally Posted by Maero

I tried a recipe someone had posted for Ice Blue and my choco came out Lotus Pink :(
soo i reset and am going for yellow, and try to move on from there

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If you haven't done so already, stop! You need to reduce red and blue, so I would suggest feeding it 6 mamook pears procs. Resetting at this point would waste all your effort.

I just did quick napkin math assuming +/- 5 per fruit, and it looks to me like 1 Pineapple isn't enough, 2 Pineapples has a shot at getting there, and 3 Pineapples would be the best bet. 4 would be too many.

Obviously I'm really not sure at all, but I stuck with 2. I'm thinking its going to be kobold brown, soot black, or possibly deepwood or even marsh green. I really doubt it will be something aside from those 4 possibilities.

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Originally Posted by f1ashfire

I just did quick napkin math assuming +/- 5 per fruit, and it looks to me like 1 Pineapple isn't enough, 2 Pineapples has a shot at getting there, and 3 Pineapples would be the best bet. 4 would be too many.

Obviously I'm really not sure at all, but I stuck with 2. I'm thinking its going to be kobold brown, soot black, or possibly deepwood or even marsh green. I really doubt it will be something aside from those 4 possibilities.

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Feed him all 3 Pineapples after playing with the RNG on web. From Midnight + 1 Pineapple you go to to Purple or something. Fed him all 3. Lets see :) So, from Midnight 3 pineapples, got the new feathers 3 times.

time left: 5h 44 mins.

I'm not sure if this will help anyone who is stuck in the colour loop on their attempt to get Soot Black but it appears that "AttacKat" has revised the RGB numbers on the spreadsheet we've been using:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2383813

It's possible doing the math using these new values and adjusting fruit could push the colour looper's into Soot Black; haven't tried this personally though. FOR SCIENCE!

Syrehn: According to that excel:

Midnight BLue: 31/31/63
Soot Black: 47/47/39

3 Pineapples = from MB you get: 46/46/48. Damn it, that might do it :)

Update on mine:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv6fK1FIUAE_nig.jpg
From Aldgoat Brown to Lavender Purple - 8 berries, 7 messages.

Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly's plumage will change in 6 hours.
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!

http://i.imgur.com/4K7BZio.png

Here is mine, it's plum purple. before it was coral pink but I think I've fed it like 10 O'Ghomoro berries to get to this color, I want to go darker, but as I understand I need to lighten all the colors to get to like grape purple?

--Just Fed him 3 Apples and 2 Berries 6 hours agoago. The new color now is deepwood green--

What would be the next step to get him to soot black? I heard 1 Valefruit but I have tried that before and got me to hunter Green. Any advice?

Old Color: Hunter Green R34 G68 B38

Fed 3 Apples and 2 berries VVVVVVV

New Color: Deepwood Green R25 G36 B28

Desired Color: Soot Black R37 G35 B30

Any suggestions on how to get from Cactuar Green to Nophica Green?

Yeap, all in one go. Though I don't remember how many feather messages was that, I usually just wing it.

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Originally Posted by AutumnsHollow

I decided to try for sunset orange instead, so I gave my chocobo 3 valfruit today, and got one feather message, so later today I'll see what I get.

On another note I found out that another friend is also trying for a dalamund red chocobo! He fed his chocobo 40 apples, and got 26 feather procs, and 5 berries and got one feather proc. He was following this spread sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=215539068

It must be wrong though, because in the end he got a sunset orange chocobo.

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Just logged in today to a sunset orange chocobo!

And my friend ended up getting a blood red chocobo. Oh and he fed his sunset orange chocobo seven valfruit and got two feather procs.
We're gonna toy with fruits to find out how to get dalamund red from there.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I'm not sure if this will help anyone who is stuck in the colour loop on their attempt to get Soot Black but it appears that "AttacKat" has revised the RGB numbers on the spreadsheet we've been using:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2383813

It's possible doing the math using these new values and adjusting fruit could push the colour looper's into Soot Black; haven't tried this personally though. FOR SCIENCE!

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Well, unless I'm missing something, based on the math we should be hitting it based on whats there, just like before. For instance, Kobold Brown [55r] [39g] [31b] with a Doman Plum = [-8r] [+8g] [+8b] which = [47r] [47g] [39b] which is their Soot Black. It also doesn't explain at all why going from say, Ink Blue [31r] [39g] [47b] with a Pineapple = [+8r] [+8g] [-8b] (should = Soot Black numbers) actually equates to Kobold Brown [55r] [39g] [31b]. That is a [+24r] swing, [0g] *same* and [-16b] difference. The numbers just aren't adding up here..

Am I missing something that was explained different in that thread? Honestly, its odd we are looping at all in the first place when you think about it.

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Originally Posted by AlbionApollon

ive been bouncing around ink blue, kobold brown, and deepwood green trying various methods. at deepwood green i tried the valfruit and got ink blue. from ink blue tried 1 pineapple and got kobold brown from there tried a plum and got ink blue again. so idk.

my stable condition has always been good though. have we confirmed whether or not stable condition influences values?

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This may be a waste of time (kind of ironic when you think about it) but has anyone tried 2 Doman Plums @ Kobold Brown yet? I can't tell what the numbers added and subtracted are exactly, but using that +5/-5 business, I keep getting all 30's, which is where Soot Black is.

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Originally Posted by Philio

--Just Fed him 3 Apples and 2 Berries 6 hours agoago. The new color now is deepwood green--

What would be the next step to get him to soot black? I heard 1 Valefruit but I have tried that before and got me to hunter Green. Any advice?

Old Color: Hunter Green R34 G68 B38

Fed 3 Apples and 2 berries VVVVVVV

New Color: Deepwood Green R25 G36 B28

Desired Color: Soot Black R37 G35 B30

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This is based on testing the revised RGB posted by "AttacKat": http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2383813


Current Colour: Deepwood Green
31R 47G 39B


Soot Black:
47R 47G 39B

You could try:

x2 Valfruit
x1 Pineapple


This should put your end values roughly around 51R 47G 39B (assuming +/- 5 average integer) which is right around the revised RGB for Soot Black (might still need a bit more tweaking); RNG is still a factor so mileage may vary.

Here's my wine red choco. For the life of me I can't remember how many fruits I used though, but it was a mix of the 3 darkening ones.

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....al/1964280.jpg

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....al/1964331.jpg

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....al/1964341.jpg

So after fiddling around Kobold browns, deepwood greens and ink blues, I finally got soot black! ^^

I fed 2 pineapples from ink blue to get soot black, but I think the results may vary, since when it was Kobold brown the first time round I fed it only 1 plum, but it turned into Deepwood green, instead of soot black like it was speculated to. (Ended up I did alot of tinkering around with the darker colors to trial and error)

http://i.imgur.com/0z99azs.jpg

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Originally Posted by Leonesaurus

This may be a waste of time (kind of ironic when you think about it) but has anyone tried 2 Doman Plums @ Kobold Brown yet? I can't tell what the numbers added and subtracted are exactly, but using that +5/-5 business, I keep getting all 30's, which is where Soot Black is.

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i think +8/-8 might be the scale. your 2 pineapple 1 valfruit 1 plum theory yielded kobold brown. and ill try the plum again. see if maybe rnjesus gives me soot black

updated color scale from new thread. this makes alot of peoples color combinations make sense if this is accurate

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3YW...hEcXR4bFU/edit

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Originally Posted by VinylAlewyn

So after fiddling around Kobold browns, deepwood greens and ink blues, I finally got soot black! ^^

I fed 2 pineapples from ink blue to get soot black, but I think the results may vary, since when it was Kobold brown the first time round I fed it only 1 plum, but it turned into Deepwood green, instead of soot black like it was speculated to. (Ended up I did alot of tinkering around with the darker colors to trial and error)

http://i.imgur.com/0z99azs.jpg

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did you get 2 feather changing messages? one for each fruit?

edit: also what were your stable conditions?

I'm currently sitting at Russet Brown and looking to get to Soot Black. Colors have been Standard > Blood Red > Russet Brown.

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Originally Posted by Edgedy

Here's my progress so far.

Starting Color: Coeurl Yellow Feed:[16 (14 feathers) berries, 6 apples, 9 pears]
182 129 3
First Color: Shale Brown Feed:[2 apple, 2 berries, 4 pears (1 feather)]
140 122 101
Second Color:Cactuar Green Feed:[2 apples (1 feather), 2 berries]
94 123 58
Third Color: Qiqirn Brown Feed:[2 berry, 2 pear, 2 apple]
147 103 56
Fourth Color: Moss Green Feed:[6 berry, 3 pear, 3 apple]
105 108 33
Fifth Color: Mud Green Feed:[4 berry, 2 pear, 2 apple] Waiting...
81 75 42


Desired Color: Soot Black
37 35 30

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So I am currently at Charcoal Grey
65 64 59

I want to get Soot Black

-37 -35 -30

Which is a difference of 28, 29, 29. Is there a way to get them all to drop uniformly?

I'm going to try 2/2/2 Berry/Apple/Pear.

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Originally Posted by AlbionApollon

i think +8/-8 might be the scale. your 2 pineapple 1 valfruit 1 plum theory yielded kobold brown. and ill try the plum again. see if maybe rnjesus gives me soot black

updated color scale from new thread. this makes alot of peoples color combinations make sense if this is accurate

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3YW...hEcXR4bFU/edit

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Interesting. My original "Guide" listed that it could be anywhere from approx. +/-3 to +/-6; we've just been using +/-5 for ease of calculation as it appeared to be a sweet spot (maybe not so much with Soot Black). Increasing the integer and working on the new colour scale does indeed make sense keeping in mind that there is still likely a "colour range" and getting close/inside that range should pop you into the Dye colour without having "exact" numbers. Need the loopers to test it out. :)

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

Interesting. My original "Guide" listed that it could be anywhere from approx. +/-3 to +/-6; we've just been using +/-5 for ease of calculation as it appeared to be a sweet spot (maybe not so much with Soot Black). Increasing the integer and working on the new colour scale does indeed make sense keeping in mind that there is still likely a "colour range" and getting close/inside that range should pop you into the Dye colour without having "exact" numbers. Need the loopers to test it out. :)

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Interested in what you think about what I said Here on the previous page. If the numbers are as exact as they are shown, shouldn't it be as simple as we made it from the start? The loop effect doesn't make sense to me based on our numbers, unless its magically rounding us to the nearest color.. which still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I tried something to push me out of the loop, will have results in 3 hours.

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Originally Posted by Traek

Interested in what you think about what I said Here on the previous page. If the numbers are as exact as they are shown, shouldn't it be as simple as we made it from the start? The loop effect doesn't make sense to me based on our numbers, unless its magically rounding us to the nearest color.. which still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I tried something to push me out of the loop, will have results in 3 hours.

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Reading your previous post, it seems you are looking for exact numbers. If the feeds to have change the value over a range or +/- 3 to 6 then there are chances you won't hit the exact values for your given colour. There has to be some sort of approximation based on the ratio of R:G:B and the colour they most closely represent.

I'm at my wits end guys.

Rolanberry Red after i followed someone's advise.
What do i feed it now for soot black?

Please..

here are my thoughts so far:

lets assume you are at dessert yellow and want to go to blood red
lets also assume that blood red has a R/G/B +/- color range that any R/G/B value within that range snaps to Blood Red and you feed your chocobo any variety of fruit that falls in that range and gets the Blood Red color.
I do not think that after your chocobo changes to blood red that the R/G/B color values become the perfect Blood Red values. I think that you are still sitting in the range.
Now if you want to go from Blood Red to another color and hit that one exactly on the R/G/B values. You need to know where you sit precisely for your current values and mathematically go from there using the +8/-8 formula and the new color scale i posted.

edit: continued on next page

What this means for all of us loopers that did not keep track of how we got to where we are and are just praying that feeding it 1-2 plums/valfruits/pineapples will yeild soot black is that we have no idea what our R/G/B values are exactly. We just know they fall into the range of whatever color our chocobo is.
Which makes figuring out how to get Blacks values exactly is impossible. All we can do is keep throwing the fruit that has been shown to work at it and pray there is maybe some RNG or chocobo stable condition plays a factor and we eventually hit Soot Black.

All of this is pure conjecture and may not in anyway be accurate. Experiment at your own risk.

new color scale: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3YW...hEcXR4bFU/edit

Ended up with Apple Green. Thinking now that I want Morbol Green, and it looks like I will need to go lower in value with every color. So I should start feeding the lightening fruits instead of deepening fruits.

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Originally Posted by AlbionApollon

What this means for all of us loopers that did not keep track of how we got to where we are and are just praying that feeding it 1-2 plums/valfruits/pineapples will yeild soot black is that we have no idea what our R/G/B values are exactly. We just know they fall into the range of whatever color our chocobo is.
Which makes figuring out how to get Blacks values exactly is impossible. All we can do is keep throwing the fruit that has been shown to work at it and pray there is maybe some RNG or chocobo stable condition plays a factor and we eventually hit Soot Black.

All of this is pure conjecture and may not in anyway be accurate. Experiment at your own risk.

new color scale: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3YW...hEcXR4bFU/edit

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That's what I have been saying this whole time XD

also, you could have just edited that post into your last one :P

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Originally Posted by Barboron

Reading your previous post, it seems you are looking for exact numbers. If the feeds to have change the value over a range or +/- 3 to 6 then there are chances you won't hit the exact values for your given colour. There has to be some sort of approximation based on the ratio of R:G:B and the colour they most closely represent.

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I appreciate your response, and agree with you as far as colors not exact. I've been assuming the same thing since I started coloring my chocobo, and suggest so to others as well. My question is more along the lines of.. why are we getting a ~20+ point swing in [r] value. Granted the values are exact, but in no way does going from Ink Blue > Kobold Brown make sense from 1 pineapple. +8 =/= +20 while simultaneously keeping green relatively untouched. I've tried to make sense of inbetween numbers but it really isn't coming together. The whole exact numbers thing was more directed at the 'new spreadsheet' suggestion. The numbers would worked based on that, but they are doing odd things in the first place to even be able to loop.

What I did on my last feed was pull it out of the 'dark' color spectrum. I gave it a +8 to all values to try and get it away from Kobold/Ink/Deepwood colors. I'm interested on where it will land (from Kobold) and if I can even out my numbers better from there.

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Originally Posted by f1ashfire

I just did quick napkin math assuming +/- 5 per fruit, and it looks to me like 1 Pineapple isn't enough, 2 Pineapples has a shot at getting there, and 3 Pineapples would be the best bet. 4 would be too many.

Obviously I'm really not sure at all, but I stuck with 2. I'm thinking its going to be kobold brown, soot black, or possibly deepwood or even marsh green. I really doubt it will be something aside from those 4 possibilities.

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Update: As I thought, 2 pineapple "feather" messages on Midnight Blue gives us Soot Black.

Have fun!

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Originally Posted by Traek

I appreciate your response, and agree with you as far as colors not exact. I've been assuming the same thing since I started coloring my chocobo, and suggest so to others as well. My question is more along the lines of.. why are we getting a ~20+ point swing in [r] value...

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It leaves one question open for me that I am not sure if it can be given as definite answer as of yet. When you count 1 piece of food given, is that food given until 1 of them procs to give the growing feather message?
Not saying my thoughts are any more true but I was thinking that perhaps any food given does have an effect on colouring and leads me to think what if the proc message only occurs if enough food is given to effect the RGB values enough to cause a change in colour?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...95167098_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...21179374_n.jpg

Finally Soot Black. 1 Berry from marsh green did the trick!

Marsh Green (44 48 28)
Soot Black (37 35 30)

I guess using the +/-5 rule it got my numbers down to (39 43 33).

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Originally Posted by VinylAlewyn

So after fiddling around Kobold browns, deepwood greens and ink blues, I finally got soot black! ^^

I fed 2 pineapples from ink blue to get soot black, but I think the results may vary, since when it was Kobold brown the first time round I fed it only 1 plum, but it turned into Deepwood green, instead of soot black like it was speculated to. (Ended up I did alot of tinkering around with the darker colors to trial and error)

http://i.imgur.com/0z99azs.jpg

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2 pineapples with "new feathers" message?