Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I think that player is referring to someone being told mid-instance to change something about their rotation and they might find it difficult to because their keybinds are not set up optimally for it. The player obviously hasn't the time to fiddle with their ui a lot if they're already in the act of doing content. Never mind that so much about getting dps to be decent is having trained muscle memory. Unless the change is tiny the player won't transcend into new muscle memory very smoothly mid-instance.

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In that instance, why shouldn't the remaining players in the party just kick that player if they can't adapt? I really doubt people would actually accept an ice mage, 90% aggro tank, or a cure 1 only whm.

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Originally Posted by Daibunnie

In that instance, why shouldn't the remaining players in the party just kick that player if they can't adapt? I really doubt people would actually accept an ice mage, 90% aggro tank, or a cure 1 only whm.

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I didn't debate whether the player should be kicked or not, and this isn't the argument you were having. You were stating people should go and practise in their own time and I explained that in a situation in which you're told to do something mid-instance you don't have the luxury of practising before being expected to show noticeably better results.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I didn't debate whether the player should be kicked or not, and this isn't the argument you were having. You were stating people should go and practise in their own time and I explained that in a situation in which you're told to do something mid-instance you don't have the luxury of practising before being expected to show noticeably better results.

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And I'm asking you why should the remaining players put up with someone who can't adapt mid-instance especially when their performance/dps is subpar. If you can't play properly while in any instance and can't change your rotation after your party had given you advice, you should get kicked.

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Originally Posted by Daibunnie

And I'm asking you why should the remaining players put up with someone who can't adapt mid-instance especially when their performance/dps is subpar. If you can't play properly while in any instance and can't change your rotation after your party had given you advice, you should get kicked.

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Why are you asking me this? I didn't say they should or shouldn't. All I was doing was clarifying what someone else was saying to you as you appeared to have misunderstood it, and nothing about it touched on kicking someone. Sorry but I'm not interested in debating in a subject I didn't engage in. I suggest you ask this question to people who actually are trying to argue against you.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

Missed the last 10 odd pages but it seems the discussion has moved onto how to give advice to underperforming players? If so, I'm under no obligation to take the time out of my day to provide said advice, it's usually a lot faster to kick and replace with someone more capable. Sure I'll cut some slack for players leveling, that's the learning stage, but anyone who wants to do max level stuff can find great guides anywhere on the internet, or they can ask someone in their FC for some pointers before they jump in with random people who expect basic competency.

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This is the only sane option really. Good players are no obligated to coddle the bads.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I assume most people here can tell that my 5k is garbage. That is what I have always assumed - if I'm pulling grey parses, I'm a trash raider. Regardless, i misspoke about something. . Like I said, I tend to not be explicitly clear with initial postings on this forum. One look at a nin log can tell you that ninjas should be hitting in the area of 6 to 6.2k. My argument still stands that they're not as common as this forum makes it seem in my personal experience.

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You don't run into many "big bad elitists" because:
1. You're not just playing a meta job, you're playing THE meta job, and most are just glad to even HAVE a NIN instead the 430th SAM who doesn't dot
2. You're demonstrating honest to god effort and clearing, and that's truly what most people want.

5K is averagely average these days, and tbh, I don't expect fantastic numbers from utility jobs in a PUG anyway. Plus, smart people who read logs can tell what things are out of your control. They'll know if the healer spent the whole fight like our WHM here getting hit by Adam's spin attack and standing in both of Eve's Aoes. They'll know if the tank dragged a pack of aoeing mobs over your body during ten chi jin and all that kind of stuff. And most of all, if you have a static, and they haven't kicked you despite underperforming, then they enjoy you as a person, and are willing to play with you, which are really the best kind of people.

Hmm... this thing sure went in one direction faster then you can say njan.

Still I am going to jump back to point 3 from the OP. Having a bad day or being sick, reason is that I have something I view as a good example using myself for this.
First of, having a bad day is something everyone have, but if every day is a bad day then said day is not the problem. After a longer break I am finally starting to get this nasty rust of my axe... got a bunch of it into my tail during the first days and let me tell you that getting that out of my fine fluffy tail is not easy. Just kept out of PF and more challenging content while getting rid of said rust, spending instead time in dungeons and other easier content where small f-ups would not result in wipes.
On the sick part. This week I had a cold, during this I did not do anything until I was feeling better, could not really concentrate enough for anything.

The point of this, if there really is one and not me getting all rusty in my head.
If you know you have a bad day then stick with content you find easy to do, do not jump into PF or raid finder or anything you find slightly difficult. Doing so will reflect poorly on you and it is kinda egoistic as you are more or less asking 7 other players to carry you.
If you are sick then rest and do the content when you are feeling better, this is what I did this week and looks like capping will be zero problems even without a few exp-roulettes.
And if you still, knowing you have a bad day or feel sick, jump into a PF and mess up since you are not at your top then you should not be surprised if someone calls you bad.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I suggest you ask this question to people who actually are trying to argue against you.

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To be fair, it would help if the poster these questions were directed at would actually answer said questions. Instead, they opt to deflect and come up with more excuses to not answer the questions directed at them.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

To be fair, it would help if the poster these questions were directed at would actually answer said questions. Instead, they opt to deflect and come up with more excuses to not answer the questions directed at them.

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I assume she hit her post limit.

Tossing around that much misinformation and coddling will catch up with you apparently.

How often does it happen? The situation where someone has to tell off, critique or advice another player? How often do you find yourself in a situation where you want to tell someone else they are bad?