Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Did.... did you pay for it in lalafell kidneys?

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Oi, oi, oi! Don't be givin away secrets like that. You know Lala organs sell for a premium!

Had a tank PLD asking for Esuna on a bleed DoT on the Final Boss. Except, they were spamming Clemency by 60% to 80% HP in Castrum Albania almost all the time and using both Rampart and Sentinel together. Nah, if you want to Clemency, go ahead. I normally can use my tetragrammaton, assize, and my Divine Benison for that since I can outheal the DoT even with my abilities on cd. In worst case scenario, I'll use regen when are on cooldown for a long period of time since regen can just outheal it by itself... but since you want to clemency all the time, I'll just keep on DPSing instead... after all I still have my Benediction untouched for most of the fight since your HP never drops low enough for me to get enough value out of it with those Clemencies ...

Props to the DPS for making those pulls fast though. First time I've seen a group be able to nearly kill all 4 Magitek Pods before Deployment cast is finished in DF. Usually, most groups I end up with manage to kill 2, some barely can kill 3.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I could be wrong. I'm really new to it but got the gist of it to trigger my positionals. I thought the one single/aoe ability we use that lets us gain additional bar on death was also a dot. Then again who reads tool tips? Not me...I'm a mentor!

*adjusts his crown...that's 3 sizes too big and falls around to his neck.*

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It's a DIoT = Damage Increase(d) over Time

Just ran a roulette where a DPS claimed the tank wasn't pulling fast enough, so the DPS pulled everything in the room.

I just let everybody die (I could have healed through it), just to teach the DPS a lesson.

Alas, he just blamed the tank for not holding aggro.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

You're right, they weren't wrong. They were super wrong. Your job as a healer sub 50 is to just follow the group click on tank and spam a healing spell, it's not difficult. It's what's expected, better learn it sooner rather than later.

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No, it's not.

This is a silly way to suggest how people heal.

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Originally Posted by Videra

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The problem is not directly the DPS pulling but that most dps don't know what to do when they have adds behind them. They just stand away from everything else and expect the tank to move towards them.

It happens far to many times that the DPS who got some adds, accidentally or not, keeps his add hidden in Narnia instead of bringing it into the tank's aoe attack's.

Call it trust issues but I simply do not trust random dps to know what they do when they pull.

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Originally Posted by Videra

I semi-often play with one of the best dungeon speedrunning BLMs on Crystal, and it's opened my eyes as to how actually okay having DPS and healers pull ahead of you when you're doing W2Ws is. DPS have mitigation buttons, in the case of the aforementioned BLM, they have manawall or whatever it's called, and if they pull ahead of me it accomplishes two things:

1) They bring mobs back to me, which can shave time off of a dungeon run. Yay!
2) I take slightly less damage than their mitigation soaked.

I'm honestly just chill with it at this point. I do it myself, even. For example, if I'm doing my expert on Reaper, I can cycle my arcane crest to be used for shaving time off of a dungeon run and bringing mobs to tanks. They get regen, I get to start DPS slightly earlier, and everyone saves time. It's great! I wish more DPS and healers would start pulling ahead of me in dungeons with their movement abilities.

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I love when people do that in Alzadaal when I'm on tank.
It's been a while since I tanked expert but last time I got a DNC that just dashed ahead every time, triggered the groups that have to spawn first and that stone that keeps summoning mobs early so when I arrived everything was already targetable. They even popped Arm's Lengths and then brought any mobs right to me. Instant comm.

If someone pulls ahead and then runs away though, I'll first tell them to bring mobs to me or not pull ahead if they can't manage that and if they keep doing it, they're on their own if they run out of my ranged attack range.

Remember FFXI, where the group would sit in a safe spot while a thief or ranger would wander off to find a single mob to bring back, because everything could kill you in a few hits.

Lol

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Originally Posted by Tiramu

Remember FFXI, where the group would sit in a safe spot while a thief or ranger would wander off to find a single mob to bring back, because everything could kill you in a few hits.

Lol

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I remember being on BRD and doing pulls for merit point parties. Elegy was still amazing.
I remember being told that I have to remain on BRD otherwise I'd be completely useless in Dynamis.
I remember being on BST and being able to relax and do exp/pulls at my own pace in Sky killing pots with flamingo mobs.
I remember being told that, because I had to get off during a single raid run in Sky as BRD because I had work early in the morning, the raid linkshell I was in failed Seiryu because one of the BLMs volunteered to be BRD for the buffs and I was strictly blamed for the failure.
I remember as BRD I went from level 37 to 50 grinding out parties in Crawler's Nest in a 42-hour gameplay session straight. I regretted nothing except for the sheer amount of caffeine I ended up consuming without realizing it to continue grinding.
I also still remember those mob trains people took to the zone entrances and there'd be piles of bodies of people that tried to zone into the area only to immediately die due to them not patching mob despawning until much later.

Good times.

Shouldn't need to be said (again), but... if you want to MT... grab everything. Yes, all the adds. As OT my stance isn't going on (eff tank aggro wars) unless there are big adds that absolutely need to be kept apart... or another tank refuses to grab all the small fry adds... in which case I'm grabbing them and dragging them over to the main group so everyone can aoe them down. Zero reason to keep everything apart in something like the lvl 50 raids, for example. Come on. Bad enough those keep popping instead of something else... When one of them pops I take my lumps and just suffer through it, but I'd rather spend as little time in them as possible.

Another thing... anecdotal I know, but I've seen a lot of DRGs not putting Dragon Sight on anyone. Why...? Takes a few seconds to target someone. Granted, things can get a bit hectic at times and people forget here and there(me!), but I've consistently seen the buff on the DRG in the party window and no one else for entire fights. I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Shouldn't need to be said (again), but... if you want to MT... grab everything. Yes, all the adds. As OT my stance isn't going on (eff tank aggro wars) unless there are big adds that absolutely need to be kept apart... or another tank refuses to grab all the small fry adds... in which case I'm grabbing them and dragging them over to the main group so everyone can aoe them down. Zero reason to keep everything apart in something like the lvl 50 raids, for example. Come on. Bad enough those keep popping instead of something else... When one of them pops I take my lumps and just suffer through it, but I'd rather spend as little time in them as possible.

Another thing... anecdotal I know, but I've seen a lot of DRGs not putting Dragon Sight on anyone. Why...? Takes a few seconds to target someone. Granted, things can get a bit hectic at times and people forget here and there(me!), but I've consistently seen the buff on the DRG in the party window and no one else for entire fights. I don't get it.

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It sounds like plain old ignorance. In the case of alliance raids, it might be laziness. Maybe they don't think to macro for the 4th position and bump their partner up the party list. :p

Got Troia today, after the first “boss” fight the healer disconnected but we carried on.
This awesome warrior tank pulled wall to wall with no problems, held herself alive throughout everything, we winded up finishing the dungeon just her, a monk and me (dnc). It was amazing to see it possible but also a bit concerning at how unnecessary a healer becomes with a warrior that knows what he’s doing haha.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Got Troia today, after the first “boss” fight the healer disconnected but we carried on.
This awesome warrior tank pulled wall to wall with no problems, held herself alive throughout everything, we winded up finishing the dungeon just her, a monk and me (dnc). It was amazing to see it possible but also a bit concerning at how unnecessary a healer becomes with a warrior that knows what he’s doing haha.

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Sounds like a savage raider. It gets ridiculous when they show up in their gear.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Sounds like a savage raider. It gets ridiculous when they show up in their gear.

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Nah. That's just WAR in general. You can trounce that place in 610s easily. None of the pulls in there require any sort of input from a healer so long as the DPS aren't asleep at their keyboards and nobody stands in dumb. In fact, even some standing in dumb is fine because of Nascent Glint and Shake it Off.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Nah. That's just WAR in general. You can trounce that place in 610s easily. None of the pulls in there require any sort of input from a healer so long as the DPS aren't asleep at their keyboards and nobody stands in dumb. In fact, even some standing in dumb is fine because of Nascent Glint and Shake it Off.

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I've seen warriors that couldn't manage this.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I've seen warriors that couldn't manage this.

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Sounds to me like they need to
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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Sounds to me like they need to
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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I've seen warriors that couldn't manage this.

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Of course there are WARs that can't manage that. It doesn't matter how low you set the bar, someone will limbo dance with it.
Experts have always been a joke, you could do expert runs without a healer with a WAR or PLD in ShB and if the dps were really good even on GNB. The incoming damage is pitiful even for a whole group that barely meets the requirements but if someone has some crafted gear, they'll delete the entire place.

So we're three wipes into Dzemael Darkhold because the tank isn't geared, does multi-pulls, tanks outside of the crystal veil, but right next to the orange crystals that periodically spam AoEs. And then this happens:

https://imgur.com/a/R91bYFx

I was playing as a Sage, btw. Incidentally, I wasn't just DPSing. I was tanking pretty much the whole time, too, because in addition to going down like a lead balloon, they couldn't hold aggro. I guess they were mad because I didn't go down with the team on the first pack and managed to successfully solo it (amazing how much more you can tolerate when you actually stand inside the crystal veil). On the particular pull before this happened, I foolishly ran past the orange crystals of death and into the next pack in anticipation that since the tank wasn't pulling back they were going to push forward past them. The joke was on me because they opted to tank right inside the two of them instead.

So just got out of a CF run in roulette and had a 90 WHM that kept Rescuing me when it wasn't needed while I was on BRD.

"Sorry misclick bro!" you said.

Sure. You did it 3 times and nearly got me killed twice. While I appreciate the thought on the first one as a misclick, the two other times made it seem like intentional trolling. I hope you step on a Lego when you get out of bed.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

It was amazing to see it possible but also a bit concerning at how unnecessary a healer becomes with a warrior that knows what he’s doing haha.

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When I did 3 dps 1 WAR Expert runs with FC I used to play "how many vuln stacks can I take without dying" on bosses to make it more interesting.
The answer is about 7 stacks.

You should playing the vuln stacks game in a group with randoms. You'll find the presence of that healer does not in any meaningful way decrease the number of stacks you can survive. It'll sure as heck tick your party off, though. But you know what? Still not bannable. You're still doing your job, and those vuln stacks just mean you aren't overhealing yourself more than you are healing.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

You should playing the vuln stacks game in a group with randoms. You'll find the presence of that healer does not in any meaningful way decrease the number of stacks you can survive. It'll sure as heck tick your party off, though. But you know what? Still not bannable. You're still doing your job, and those vuln stacks just mean you aren't overhealing yourself more than you are healing.

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Wont tick off every healer though. I get happy when my tank is sucky. He’s just there to feed my toxicon.
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Assuming he doesn't jump himself back to full health first. ;)

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Assuming he doesn't jump himself back to full health first. ;)

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In that case I buff myself up and go stand in aoes :( gotta be creative when tanks refuse to take damage.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

When I did 3 dps 1 WAR Expert runs with FC I used to play "how many vuln stacks can I take without dying" on bosses to make it more interesting.
The answer is about 7 stacks.

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As a Warrior, I've never felt more powerful in my life, lol

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

When I did 3 dps 1 WAR Expert runs with FC I used to play "how many vuln stacks can I take without dying" on bosses to make it more interesting.
The answer is about 7 stacks.

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Try it again soon? Im a bit curious xD
And then try it on drk! I would but I suck at tanking even with a party full of healers.

For expert I often just write: "don't worry about my health, GCD heals on me are a waste of DMG. I can survive this on my own"
That usually help to get them casting their aoes.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

You should playing the vuln stacks game in a group with randoms. You'll find the presence of that healer does not in any meaningful way decrease the number of stacks you can survive. It'll sure as heck tick your party off, though. But you know what? Still not bannable. You're still doing your job, and those vuln stacks just mean you aren't overhealing yourself more than you are healing.

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Or just collect extra damage, preferably dots, on dps as well.
Dot uptime is good, yes?
I made a habit of keeping really good dot uptime when running with a healer I know. I have to give them (or the tank) something to do. Can't let them get bored. Dot uptime good. Xiva likes me.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

And then try it on drk! I would but I suck at tanking even with a party full of healers.

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I'd have to level it to 90 first :p
But give it a try and you might be surprised. I rarely play tank myself.

Oh jeez, collecting vuln stacks on DRK. Now that might not go well.

I've been fighting Shinryu since SB early access and I've never seen the tidal wave spawn at the back of the platform before.

So anyway, that's how I was one of seven people blown off in one shot.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I've been fighting Shinryu since SB early access and I've never seen the tidal wave spawn at the back of the platform before.

So anyway, that's how I was one of seven people blown off in one shot.

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It has happened to me enough that now if I don't see it at the times it should be happening...it's cause it's behind him and I need to move.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I've been fighting Shinryu since SB early access and I've never seen the tidal wave spawn at the back of the platform before.

So anyway, that's how I was one of seven people blown off in one shot.

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It is definitely my favorite trial just because of Tidal Wave, everytime I get that in roulette, I know someone is going to get thrown off

P8S clear parties in PF.

99% of the time it's NA1 prog, or LD prog, or anything else. It's horrible and for four weeks I've been in trap party after trap party. It got so bad someone told me "if you want to get a good group go pay for a carry".

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I've been fighting Shinryu since SB early access and I've never seen the tidal wave spawn at the back of the platform before.

So anyway, that's how I was one of seven people blown off in one shot.

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happened to me once, now i just arm's length/surecast it

I was in LoA for my daily, leveling my red mage. I got aggro during the first boss by the skellies, and started taking some damage.

No prob, I thought, seeing that the white mage sprout in my alliance was right beside me. However, as the seconds went on, they never healed me. They should be healing the tank then, right? Nope. They were just standing there, spamming Stone II. Of course, I died, so the other healer had to rez me.

I honestly think it was a bot, judging from its behavior during the rest of the raid. That, or they were wearing blinders the whole time.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I was in LoA for my daily, leveling my red mage. I got aggro during the first boss by the skellies, and started taking some damage.

No prob, I thought, seeing that the white mage sprout in my alliance was right beside me. However, as the seconds went on, they never healed me. They should be healing the tank then, right? Nope. They were just standing there, spamming Stone II. Of course, I died, so the other healer had to rez me.

I honestly think it was a bot, judging from its behavior during the rest of the raid. That, or they were wearing blinders the whole time.

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My rule for healer is this: Did tank pull to edge? If yes...I'm DPSing. If no...I have medica/succor being cast so it goes off a fraction of a second after the entire party gets AOEed hard.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

My rule for healer is this: Did tank pull to edge? If yes...I'm DPSing. If no...I have medica/succor being cast so it goes off a fraction of a second after the entire party gets AOEed hard.

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They didn't even use medica, even after we got hit hard! It was so weird. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it was healing anxiety, since they were a sprout, but I've seen first-time sprout healers do comparatively well in the same raid countless times. Oh well.

I'll keep your rule in mind when I (eventually) start healing outside of duty support. Until then, I'll keep procrastinating by focusing on my dps and tank jobs. :p

Shoutout to the group that autokicked me because my power went out for a second which made my modem have to reboot.